What think ye of Ezekiel's Temple?

ProtectionET said:

Of course. But if the number of Christians who put a leader in their hearts instead of Jesus Christ is very much, then the spiritual Temple, which was made up of these Christians, is compromised.

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You missed the word "true". It describes those who have not bowed and do not bow to any Baal. It has never been compromised.

BABerean2 said:

You seem to read and write English very well.

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Alas, I hardly know English, even the beginner level. You praise the translation of Google.

BABerean2 said:

If Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and Hebrews 12:18-24, are not in your Bible, you may want to try borrowing another copy.

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I read this many times, and found no contradiction there with the fulfillment of Ezekiel's prophecy about the Third Temple.

ProtectionET said:

So you understand that the abomination of desolation can be not only in the desecration of the material Temple. That is, the spiritual temple of God can be desecrated by some person, a spiritual leader. If this has already happened many times in the history of the Church, then why can not this happen in our days?

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Some excerpts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Bar_Giora
In spring 69 CE, the advancing Roman army forced Simon ben Giora to retreat to Jerusalem,[4] where he camped outside the city walls and once again began harassing people. Within Jerusalem, John of Giscala had set himself up as a despotic ruler after overthrowing lawful authority of the Judean Free Government in the Zealot Temple Siege. In order to get rid of him, the remaining Jerusalem authorities decided to ask Simon to enter the city and drive John away. Acclaimed by the people as their savior and guardian, Simon was admitted.

In August 70, five months after the siege began, Jerusalem fell to Titus. Simon escaped into the subterranean passages of the city. By means of stone cutters he tried to dig a way to freedom, but ran out of food before he could finish. Clothed in the garments of a Judean king he rose out of the ground at the very spot where the Temple had stood,[10] was taken prisoner and brought to Rome.[11]

Also some excerpts
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/simeon-bar-giora
The Temple was burned and the devastated city captured by the enemy. Simeon and several of his most loyal friends hid in an underground passage among the ruins, but, unable to escape, Simeon finally surrendered to the Romans and was taken prisoner. The circumstances of his surrender were extremely strange. Josephus relates that Simeon suddenly appeared among the Temple ruins, as though out of the bowels of the earth, dressed in white and covered with a purple mantle. At the sight of him the Romans were terrified, but after recovering from their fear, bound him in chains. His strange appearance was probably connected with messianic expectations on his part; or by submitting to the victorious enemy he may have deliberately invited martyrdom

That he and not John of Giscala played this part in the triumphal procession shows that the Romans regarded him as the most important leader in Jerusalem and as the rebel commander. This is evident from other extant information as well. His army was far larger than that of his rivals, having numbered about 15,000 at the beginning of the siege of Jerusalem. His soldiers were also the best organized and disciplined. The fact that he was invited to Jerusalem by the priests and the people may have provided him with some legal basis for his leadership,

Nevertheless, from extant information it would appear that Simeon b. Giora was the leader of a clear eschatological trend in the movement of rebellion against Rome, and possibly filled the role of "king messiah" within the complex of eschatological beliefs held by his followers. His exceptional bravery and daring, mentioned by Josephus, undoubtedly attracted many to him, and won him preeminence among the rebel leaders. In contrast to the bitter hostility that existed between him and John of Giscala, there was a measure of understanding between him and the Sicarii at Masada.

ralliann said:

Mt 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Lu 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Remember the covenant made with Abraham...…
Ge 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
This applies to all his children of promise YES?...….

Ga 3:29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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This is correct; the people of God are all faithful Christians.
But, in order to fulfil His promises to the Patriarchs, a majority of the people who will become citizens of the new nation of Beulah, will be from the 12 tribes.
Just as it is today, with the Christianized Western nations.

BABerean2 said:

(From the promise of the New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-34.)
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

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This is the case during this Church age.
But it doesn't mean its permanent and as Paul said in 1 Corinthians 10:11 that what ancient Israel did was examples for us, upon whom the end of the age has come.

Will there be sacrifices in the new Temple?
When the Lord’s righteous people go to live in all of the Holy Land, soon after it is cleared and cleansed by the Lord’s Day of wrath against the nations, Ezekiel 34:11-31, they will build a new Temple in Jerusalem. Many Old Testament prophesies attest to this, how it will be built by men from far away, Zechariah 6:15, and it will be greater than the former ones. Haggai 2:9

The New Testament too, makes it clear there will be a Temple, 2 Thess. 2:4, Rev. 11:1-2, until the end of the Millennium, when God Himself will be the Temple. Revelation 21:22

We are told that during this age of the Church's dispensation, Christ is our high priest and we are the spiritual Temple, 2 Cor. 6:16 and no sacrifices are required. Hosea 9:4

Hebrews 9 & 10:1-21 is the scriptures that clearly tell us that Jesus made the once and forever sacrifice for the expiation of our sins. Now there is no Temple and Christians are His ‘body’ on earth. This is just for the time from the early church until the new Temple is built, when there will again be offerings and thanksgiving gifts made by the Lord’s holy people. Daniel 12:1, Revelation 7:9-14
Daniel 7:25 and Daniel 9:26-27 tells us how, in the last days, an invading leader will make a peace treaty with the holy people, but will break it and put a stop to the sacrifices and offerings. Obviously there will be sacrifices and offerings taking place, for him to stop them.

This is confirmed by the prophesies detailing how it will be during the period the righteous people of God will be living the Land before the Return of Jesus:

Psalms 51:18-19 Now Lord, show Your favour to Zion and rebuild Jerusalem. Then You will delight in the appointed sacrifices, young bulls will be offered in Your altar.

Jeremiah 17:24-26 Now, if you obey the Lord’s Commandments, then a ruler will again occupy David’s throne and Jerusalem will be inhabited forever. Then people will come bringing whole offerings, sacrifices as thank offerings to the Lord’s House.

Jeremiah 33:14-18 The days are coming when I shall bless Judah and Israel…….there will always be a Levitical Priest to burn the grain and other offerings every day.

Ezekiel 45:13-25 The details of and the dates for making all the sacrifices and offerings on the Altar of the Temple.

Zechariah 14:21…all who come to make sacrifice will use the holy pots in Jerusalem to boil the flesh of the sacrifice……

Isaiah 60:6-7 Livestock in droves will be in the Land to serve your needs, as acceptable offerings on My Altar and I will adorn My glorious Temple.

The context of these scriptures proves that all this will be for the last days’ period before the Return of Jesus. What will happen during the Millennium isn’t told to us, although there will be priest’s then. Revelation 20:6 But we know there will be no Temple in Eternity. Revelation 21:22

ralliann said:

Some excerpts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Bar_Giora

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Perhaps you could explain how what happened before Jesus' Advent, can have fulfilled His Words; Matthew 24:13
Plus what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 and all the prophesies of Revelation, still un-fulfilled.

jgr said:

Of course not. History is anathema to the futurist. It destroys interpretation by imagination.

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When even a halfway decent study of history is made, it can be easily ascertained that the prophesies about the end times have not been fulfilled.
The cosmic and worldwide catastrophes, so vividly described simply have not happened yet. But they can happen, even those things where the prophet uses metaphors and types, are not impossible to figure out.
I like to study history and the Bible tells us a lot of it. Again, none of the events prophesies to be instigated by the Lord Himself have occurred yet.
We await the next prophesied event; the Sixth Seal, where the Lord Himself will send fire to destroy the attackers of Israel. Psalms 83, Psalms 11:4-6, +

keras said:

Perhaps you could explain how what happened before Jesus' Advent, can have fulfilled His Words; Matthew 24:13

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34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

keras said:

When even a halfway decent study of history is made, it can be easily ascertained that the prophesies about the end times have not been fulfilled.
The cosmic and worldwide catastrophes, so vividly described simply have not happened yet. But they can happen, even those things where the prophet uses metaphors and types, are not impossible to figure out.
I like to study history and the Bible tells us a lot of it. Again, none of the events prophesies to be instigated by the Lord Himself have occurred yet.
We await the next prophesied event; the Sixth Seal, where the Lord Himself will send fire to destroy the attackers of Israel. Psalms 83, Psalms 11:4-6, +

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No not all, but the wrath that John preached has already happed IMO. The wrath on the nations comes after that.

keras said:

This is the case during this Church age.
But it doesn't mean its permanent and as Paul said in 1 Corinthians 10:11 that what ancient Israel did was examples for us, upon whom the end of the age has come.

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Since the New Covenant is "everlasting" in Hebrews 13:20, you cannot be correct.


The location of the temple in Revelation chapter 11 is found at the end of the chapter.

Rev 11:19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.


I am surprised that after all of your time here, you would be an advocate of "Dispensational" Theology.

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keras said:

When even a halfway decent study of history is made, it can be easily ascertained that the prophesies about the end times have not been fulfilled.
The cosmic and worldwide catastrophes, so vividly described simply have not happened yet. But they can happen, even those things where the prophet uses metaphors and types, are not impossible to figure out.
I like to study history and the Bible tells us a lot of it. Again, none of the events prophesies to be instigated by the Lord Himself have occurred yet.
We await the next prophesied event; the Sixth Seal, where the Lord Himself will send fire to destroy the attackers of Israel. Psalms 83, Psalms 11:4-6, +

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Do you believe the historical accounts of God's wrath when the temple rebuild was attempted?

ralliann said:

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

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Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

The Subjunctive Mood "till" & Matt.16:28.

Matt.16:28 fulfilled in 70 A.D. & the second coming?

Rom. 5:6-8.

ralliann said:

No not all, but the wrath that John preached has already happed IMO. The wrath on the nations comes after that.

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You are fairly lonely in your idea that Revelation prophesies are completed.
I know Jesus says: ...soon to happen, but obviously He was thinking in God's timing, because they simply have not.
The Lord's terrible Day of vengeance and wrath is the Sixth Seal, the next to happen of the Seals.

BABerean2 said:

Since the New Covenant is "everlasting" in Hebrews 13:20, you cannot be correct.

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But I am because the New Covenant is yet to be fully implemented. Obviously Hebrews 8:11-12 has not happened yet.

BABerean2 said:

The location of the temple in Revelation chapter 11 is found at the end of the chapter.

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There is a heavenly Temple, too. The Lord told Moses the matching design to build the earthly Tabernacle, Genesis 24 to 27, and Solomon copied it for the first Temple and again for the 2nd Temple. For the third, we have Ezekiel's detailed instructions.
I ask you to address the five scriptures I posted in #205, that prove how God's holy people will again make sacrifices in the Temple.

I am not a Dispensationalist. As there are many and varied shades of that idea, to accuse someone of it, is very unreasonable. You know very well that I totally refute any 'rapture'.
I am a Bible believer and I promote what God has said He will do. You seem prepared to switch and swap scripture to suit your own ideas.

jgr said:

Do you believe the historical accounts of God's wrath when the temple rebuild was attempted?

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Sure. That did happen.
They failed to build a Temple then, because it was not God's will for that time.

But when all the faithful Christians are living in all of the holy Land, THEN the time will be right. Zechariah 6:15, Haggai 2:6-9

And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. (Revelation 11:19)

And now I will translate the language of the images of Revelation into ordinary language.

Date of the specified verse: 10 Tishrey of the year "X". "elect from the four winds" (Matthew 24:31), "144000 of all the tribes of the children of Israel" (Revelation 7:4), the "Philadelphia church" (Revelation 3:7-12), "the glory of the God of Israel" (Ezekiel 43:2), "the LORD God of Israel" (Ezekiel 44:2), "two witnesses" (Revelation 11:12), two "olive trees" (Romans 11:16-24), "the fulness of the Gentiles be come in" (Romans 11:25)," the clouds of heaven" (Matthew 24:30) - a lot of people, the messengers of Jesus Christ, entered through the Eastern Gate into the Third Temple built in the Judean Desert in accordance with the prophesy of Ezekiel, and The East Gate is now closed forever.

"Heaven" in Scripture can be synonymous with "The Kingdom of Heaven," the realm where the Holy Spirit works.

Therefore, the expression "temple of God was opened in heaven" should mean that the Temple, built in accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel, acquired its spiritual status: the consecration of the Temple is complete and now the Lord God dwells in this Temple.

The expression "there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament" should be interpreted in a similar way, as we interpret "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him]" (John 1:18)

The fact that God appeared to us in Jesus Christ does not mean that there was such a small God inside the human body of Jesus. Similarly, the appearance of the "ark of the covenant" in the new Temple is not a physical the sudden appearance of the ancient lost Ark of the Covenant: this This Temple himself is the "ark of the covenant" of God with the people of Israel.

"lightnings" - this means bright, historically significant, significant events that occur at specific times in specific places.

"voices" - this means that these historical events tell us.

"thunderings" is an echo of these events, a record of these events in the annals of modern human history.

"earthquake" is a shock to the religious world, to religious people.

"great hail" are hard, accusatory words, many words that will be spoken by the will of the Holy Spirit, and that will hurt and beat religious people, adherents of various carnal denominations.

keras said:

But I am because the New Covenant is yet to be fully implemented. Obviously Hebrews 8:11-12 has not happened yet.

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The Greek word "diatheke" is translated as both "covenant" and as "testament" in the KJV.
It is the same Greek word.
In the NKJV it is more consistently translated as "covenant".

The New Testament is a group of books written during the first century about the New Covenant, fulfilled by the blood of Christ, at Calvary.
To deny the fulfillment of the New Covenant is to deny the words of Christ in Matthew 26:28, and multiple other passages.

Hebrews 8:11-12 has happened for those who are in the New Covenant.
The only way you can deny it is to cut Hebrews 8:6, and many other verses out of your Bible. Those verses are found below.


The New Covenant: Bob George


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Jer_31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—

Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Heb_8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—

Heb_8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Heb_12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

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ProtectionET said:

And now I will translate the language of the images of Revelation into ordinary language.

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2Pe_1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,



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keras said:

You are fairly lonely in your idea that Revelation prophesies are completed.
I know Jesus says: ...soon to happen, but obviously He was thinking in God's timing, because they simply have not.
The Lord's terrible Day of vengeance and wrath is the Sixth Seal, the next to happen of the Seals.

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I do not think all of revelation has happened. I look at what the law prophesies. The law Judges the unbelievers, but at different times and different ways.

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