What proof would you need?

[Shemjaza]

Rather than talking trash, you're welcome to name your favorite evostory. Odds are it's already been shot down, but if it hasn't, so what? You and I both know there's nothing which withstands scrutiny in your religion.

I've commonly seen creationists use religion as an insult for evolution... but the venom you appear to spit about the term make you almost seem like consol.

Okay, here's an example of evidence.

The clear existence of mutation and adaption let's call it "microevolution" and the complete lack of any barrier to these changes building up to speciation and larger scale changes you would call "macroevolution"?

Also, the tree of species linking us and the other apes:

I think you underestimate the intelligence of the readership. It's not creationists hyping space aliens.

NASA, NSF, DOE and the California Institute of Technology have already committed to finding them - not to finding out whether or not they exist, but to finding them.

Pale Blue Dot II: Abstracts: Origins Program
PlanetQuest: Exoplanet Exploration
Origins Education Forum

And DOE killed this formerly good link:
Redirection Page | U.S. DOE Office of Science (SC)

A real scientist could not be sure what he would see until he had some observations to go on. These people "know" they're going to observe all sorts of stuff, including the formation of stars and planets, specifically Earth-like planets, and "life signs" coming from them.

Oh, so you are lumping in looking at the sky and examining stars looking for planets like this one in a completely repeatable way in with believing in UFOs and little green men?

This is straight out observation. We are actually looking at the cosmos. We are hoping to find more life because we know it happened once, and why not look in particular for similar places.

Do you know why? It's not because we worship demons, we are more interested in life.

$$$$ ka-ching !!!

Given what science provides to society (including the space race) compared to the comparatively small amount of money, I'd say it's money well spent.

That's the way. Stay non-committal until word comes down from the priesthood mandating the belief.

Non-committal? Did you even read my comment?

More Intelligent Life somewhere out in space: YES
More Intelligent Life somewhere visiting Earth or anywhere near by: NO

Also we have the hating on religion thing again... I thought I was the Atheist.

Yeah, it's the group of people constantly looking at the universe to look for news ways to update our views and understandings who are the sheep. Those guys who sit on a single interpretation of a 2000 year old book are the totally open minded ones.

 

[Loudmouth]

Is that some personal religion or something? Why would that have any importance? Of all of the facts in the world, what value is that one?

If it is not important then why are you posting in a thread where it is the topic? Notice the title of the thread?

So why are you avoiding the question? Obviously it is important enough that you are posting in this thread.

 

[Davian]

It has a tendency to catch the uneducated* off-guard and make them look bad if they laugh.

Did you call me uneducated?

Please, do tell me how much I know of your bible.

Seriously, how it is that, if something is written in the bible, it makes it less laughable?

I have no intent to mock the bible, rules or no, but the way you post stuff is pretty funny.

And I did check the rules, and while I am not to mock the bible, you are off the hook as there is nothing about believers making a mockery of it in their posts.

 

[Jazer]

And as Mr. Morowitz points out, to even get at the basic unit of life, you have to gloss over a 1/10[sup]340,000,000[/sup] chance of getting there.

The theory of evolution is impossible, but they ignore that. Based on the logic that we are here, so it must have happened. Even if you accept as a fact that we are here. That Does not prove evolution to be true. I do not mean all the stuff they call evolution. I mean the real theory that chance and random mutations produced everything you see today. Never mind that you have to have something to start with something, in order to have something to mutate. Because one thing evolution does not do is try to produce something from nothing. They always start off with something and say it changes into something else. Yet after 100 years fruit flies are still fruit flie s and they have not changed one fruit fly into a dragon fly or anything else other then a fruit fly.

 

[Loudmouth]

The theory of evolution is impossible, but they ignore that.

What does a poorly constructed probability for abiogenesis have to do with the diversification of life once it was here? Please explain.

Based on the logic that we are here, so it must have happened. Even if you accept as a fact that we are here. That Does not prove evolution to be true.

So what evidence would indicate that humans share a common ancestor with other species, and that the difference between species are due to evolutionary mechanisms?

I do not mean all the stuff they call evolution. I mean the real theory that chance and random mutations produced everything you see today.

Oh, so we are talking about the theory that you made up instead of the theory that is used by scientists. You should have said so from the start.

Yes, your made up theory of evolution is wrong. However, since that is not the one that science uses it has little to do with this conversation.

Never mind that you have to have something to start with something, in order to have something to mutate. Because one thing evolution does not do is try to produce something from nothing. They always start off with something and say it changes into something else. Yet after 100 years fruit flies are still fruit flie s and they have not changed one fruit fly into a dragon fly or anything else other then a fruit fly.

Evolution does not say that species evolve into something else. It says that they evolve into a modified version of their ancestors. Therefore, fruit flies still being fruit flies is exactly what we should see, and it is. Again, if you are going to argue against your made up version of evolution then you are better off having this conversation with yourself.

 

[jay1]

The theory of evolution is impossible, but they ignore that. Based on the logic that we are here, so it must have happened. Even if you accept as a fact that we are here. That Does not prove evolution to be true. I do not mean all the stuff they call evolution. I mean the real theory that chance and random mutations produced everything you see today. Never mind that you have to have something to start with something, in order to have something to mutate. Because one thing evolution does not do is try to produce something from nothing. They always start off with something and say it changes into something else. Yet after 100 years fruit flies are still fruit flie s and they have not changed one fruit fly into a dragon fly or anything else other then a fruit fly.

If you believe that a fruit fly can change into a dragonfly then you do not understand evolution.

Read a book that doesn't have a cross on it once in a while.

 

[AV1611VET]

Read a book that doesn't have a cross on it once in a while.

You mean like Darwin's, The Preservation of Favoured Races?

 

[Jazer]

If you believe that a fruit fly can change into a dragonfly then you do not understand evolution.

Silly me, thinking one kind of fly could change into another kind of fly.

Read a book that doesn't have a cross on it once in a while.

Why? You got a book I can read that will help me make more money so I can buy more books with crosses on them to give to people to read so they can learn about God and eternal life.

 

[jay1]

Silly me, thinking one kind of fly could change into another kind of fly.

Yes, silly you. You are on here saying something is stupid but you don't even understand what you are talking about.

Why? You got a book I can read that will help me make more money so I can buy more books with crosses on them to give to people to read so they can learn about God and eternal life.

"The God Delusion" - Richard Dawkins

Would be a good start.

 

[jay1]

You mean like Darwin's, The Preservation of Favoured Races?

Oh dear, judging a book by it's cover. What do you think is in that book?

What does "favoured Races" mean to you? That could be quite revealing.

 

[Loudmouth]

Silly me, thinking one kind of fly could change into another kind of fly.

A species of fruitfly can evolve into another species of fruitfly. What a fruitfly can not evolve into is an already existing species. Cats do not evolve into dogs, and fruitflies do not evolve into dragonflies. If you understood the nested hierarchy and the theory of evolution you would not be making these fundamental errors.

Why? You got a book I can read that will help me make more money so I can buy more books with crosses on them to give to people to read so they can learn about God and eternal life.

There is more to life than money and spreading religions. I guess if you are not the curious, intellectual type then science will not interest you. To each their own.

 

[AV1611VET]

Oh dear, judging a book by it's cover. What do you think is in that book?

I'd be afraid to look.

What does "favoured Races" mean to you? That could be quite revealing.

You decide:

Originally Posted by hillard

You never fail to get things wrong do you? or are you doing it deliberately?
​

Please highlight in red the word(s) that are wrong.
Originally Posted by hillard

'Favoured Races' refers to races of SPECIES and NOT races of people, the HUMAN RACE being just one of many many SPECIES.
​

Yes, I know what he meant by 'favoured races'.

Why so defensive?

 

[Split Rock]

The theory of evolution is impossible, but they ignore that.

Go ahead and show us. Your Nobel Prize awaits you!

Based on the logic that we are here, so it must have happened.

No, not at all. Read darwin's writings, if you want to know how he came to the conclusions he did. Rather, that is instead the logic of creationism: "Because there is a creation, there must be a creator."

Even if you accept as a fact that we are here. That Does not prove evolution to be true.

Correct. Neither does it prove creationsim to be true.

I do not mean all the stuff they call evolution. I mean the real theory that chance and random mutations produced everything you see today.

Look up "Natural Selection," please.

Never mind that you have to have something to start with something, in order to have something to mutate. Because one thing evolution does not do is try to produce something from nothing.

Yes, that is true. So what?

They always start off with something and say it changes into something else.

That is because it is what we observe happening.

Yet after 100 years fruit flies are still fruit flie s and they have not changed one fruit fly into a dragon fly or anything else other then a fruit fly.

Yes, and you are still: a eukayote, an animal, a vertebrate, a tetrapod, a mammal, a primate and an ape. Just like your ancestors. As I always say here, you cannot escape your ancestry.

 

[jay1]

I'd be afraid to look.

You decide:

So you use a book in an arguement and you have no idea what it is about? Your intellectual diligence is astounding.


As to "Favoured Races" what did you think it meant? Don't deflect the question.

 

[Davian]

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

What is the significance of this passage?

I find unsubstantiated truth claims to be suspect. So should we all.

 

[AV1611VET]

So someone else made it up.

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

What is the significance of this passage?

What do you mean, 'What is the significance of this passage?'

You said someone else "made it up" -- someone else didn't 'make it up' -- God said it.

May I ask what an ignostic is?

 

[jay1]

What do you mean, 'What is the significance of this passage?'

You said someone else "made it up" -- someone else didn't 'make it up' -- God said it.

I'm not even sure but would that passage not be God talking to himself in the fourth person.

It's seems a bit strange that we celebrate my self. It sounds like a man talking to other men about God but that would just be based on my experience of every other book i've ever read.

May I ask what an ignostic is?

Really AV1611VET, the devil is in the detail. Stay away

 

[Orogeny]

I'd be afraid to look.

Story of your life.

 

[CTD]

Please point to the perversion or admit that you are all bluster.

Sure there is. Compare your results to other peoples' results. Test your hypothesis from multiple angles. Run controls. There are tons of ways to remove belief from the equation. I ask you to list the beliefs and you have failed, so I can only conclude that your claims are false.

Even altering your contention hasn't helped. You weren't advocating anything empirical consulting others. You said:

As I have already shown, repeatability removes the need for belief. What other beliefs are you talking about?

Also, you have still failed to address the endogenous retrovirus evidence that you claim is a lie. When will you be addressing this, or do you admit that it isn't a lie?

Everyone's just blind & stupid, huh? I think the readership can both see, and believe what they've seen. Now the latter part they may ...well who would want to believe you exist? But folks know denial's for losers.

Besides, God has a purpose for everything. If you're curious, repent and find out.

 

[CTD]

Is there any evidence that you would accept as evidence for humans sharing a common ancestor with other apes?

Is that some personal religion or something? Why would that have any importance? Of all of the facts in the world, what value is that one?

It's contrary to common sense, truth, logic, and science. In other words, it's Evogold, guaranteed to attract flies.