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God created the earth and turned it over to Adam to run it.
However, Adam gave it to Lucifer, who then offered it to Jesus, Who refused it.
Jesus will, however, return and wrest it from the hands of Satan, run it for 1000 years, then turn it back over to His Father.
By that logic my parents should be totally reponsible for everything I do, even though I'm a mentally competant adult. After all, they chose to create me. I had no say in the matter.
You confuse the amighty (who is god of the living) with an archetypal Big Mommy who is supposed to "care" about us, in particular,...
Maybe you even think this concept of God implies he ought "take care of us."
Clearly, the Facts of Life, this life over which he is that God of the living, are that we must bow down and adapt to the Reality he represents,... oe else.
Or else disappear forever into the history of the universe as an extinction.
Like I said, should GM stop making cars, knowing that many of them will just be wrecked?I get that, I really do. But you have to consider:
1) God is omniscient. Or, at least the majority of his followers claim him to be.
2) God created everything, including Lucifer.
With only those two considerations, he knew the outcome before he even began, yet, began anyway.
Like I said, should GM stop making cars, knowing that many of them will just be wrecked?
So what about the Biblical posts I quoted, showing that God requires fairness? We can't simply ignore them.
Even if my mother and father were somehow all-knowing and all-powerful, that wouldn't change the fact I'm an adult with my own mind and will, and I don't always do what they want.Selfinflikted said:This analogy fails for the simple fact that your partents are not god. Their power and knowledge is extremely limited next to that of a supposedly omniscient, benevolent, and all-powerful being. If your parents had those qualities, then yes, they would be responsible.
Like what?begt said:Yes, something bit more concrete for a change.
Even if my mother and father were somehow all-knowing and all-powerful, that wouldn't change the fact I'm an adult with my own mind and will, and I don't always do what they want.
Proverbs 26:25 is talking about gossips and liars (link) and warns people not to believe them, no matter how charming they sound. Romans 16:18 (link) does them same.cupid dave said:No, we must examine them and learn about what the Bible says in regard to "fairness."
Consider:
Proverbs 26:25 When he speaketh fair, believe him not: for there are seven abominations in his heart.
Romans 16:18
For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
They could have created you perfectly.
Even if you went against your parents' wishes, do you think they would punish you with an eternity of torture?
.. why would an all-knowing entity create an imperfect creature and a hell to punish it in for all eternity?
selfinflikted said:They could have created you perfectly.
Even if you went against your parents' wishes, do you think they would punish you with an eternity of torture?
They could have created you perfectly.
Even if you went against your parents' wishes, do you think they would punish you with an eternity of torture?
Would being created "perfectly" involve having no free will or a mind of my own? I doubt it.
Besides, straying from your Creators wishes doesn't automatically equal and eternity in Hell. Christianity preaches forgivness and mercy, even when the person doesn't always deserve it.
But back to my original criticism: why do people who call themselves "free-thinkers" have this idea that if God did exist He would be responsible for everything wrong in the world?
Are they only interested in personal responsibility when there's no celestial man in the sky to hold their hands?
Or to put it more politely - if God was proven to exist, would atheists just give up all their humanitarian causes and pass on to Him?
LOL
The dinosaurs are a good example of what happens in Reality.
Man has now been elimnated except for just one species.
If he does not face the Facts of Life and start thinking about the survival of the species, instead of his own personal butt, his species will disappear into the eternal torment of Extinction.
Ifr he does fac3 the facts of life, he could live for eternity, or at least as long as the cockroach which is now 225,000,000 years old.
Cupid Dave: Yes, fairness does involve judgement. But my original quotes from the Bible were about judging fairly. Life might be unfair, but we shouldn't be.
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And this has what, exactly, to do with anything we're talking about?
If I understand the conversation correctly, you are evaluating God by using a standard that measures how "nice" he has been to you and mankind, in general.
My point is that you are nisinterpreting the definition of God, and using the wrong Ruler by which to judge Him.
No, I'm actually arguing god's responsibility for the state of... everything.
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