What plain and precious things are missing from the Bible?

[Lionroot]

If one claims to be a Christian in a faith that says the Bible is in error, or is missing something, please share what those things are.

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Jud 1:3
Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.

 

[effervescenteye]

That the kingdom of heaven will not come to you by waiting for it. So many wait to be whisked away in the clouds but never ask to what end. The false doctrines of stagnation breed toadstools within the hearts of men.

 

[Rescued One]

These are seven teachings (plain and precious to LDS) that you won't find in your Bible:

1. Three gods in the godhead
2. Temple endowments
3. Marriage for time and eternity in an LDS temple
4. The age at which a person must be baptized
5. Eternal progression
6. Eternal baby-making
7. The result of not tithing (Behold, now it is called today until the coming of the Son of Man, and verily it is a day of sacrifice, and a day for the tithing of my people; for he that is tithed shall not be burned at his coming. For after today cometh the burning—this is speaking after the manner of the Lord—for verily I say, tomorrow all the proud and they that do wickedly shall be as stubble; and I will burn them up, for I am the Lord of Hosts; and I will not spare any that remain in Babylon. [Doctrine and Covenants 64:23, 24])

But I'm no longer in that church.

 

[Cassiopeia]

Eternal baby-making is not an LDS Doctine. That's youR perception of a church you left long ago. Again another speculation that isnt a part of everyday conversation or study for LDS.

And it's not the lack of paying tithes that has one burned as stubble. The proud and those who do wickedly shall be burnt. Tithes payers won't because they are humble enough to sacrifice for the church and others. Typically do gooders.

As to the rest I have decided to go find them in the bible because I am not quite sure whatnis meant by it

 

[ldsfaqs]

These are seven teachings (plain and precious to LDS) that you won't find in your Bible:

False.

1. Three gods in the godhead

In the Bible for at least two of them.

2. Temple endowments

Most of the principles are in the Bible.

3. Marriage for time and eternity in an LDS temple

In the Bible, whatsoever is bound on earth by God's power is bound in heaven.

4. The age at which a person must be baptized

Not directly indicated in the Bible, but the principles behind the idea are in the Bible.

5. Eternal progression

In the Bible.

6. Eternal baby-making

haa haa.... Not even LDS doctrine, only speculation by some LDS.

7. The result of not tithing (Behold, now it is called today until the coming of the Son of Man, and verily it is a day of sacrifice, and a day for the tithing of my people; for he that is tithed shall not be burned at his coming. For after today cometh the burning—this is speaking after the manner of the Lord—for verily I say, tomorrow all the proud and they that do wickedly shall be as stubble; and I will burn them up, for I am the Lord of Hosts; and I will not spare any that remain in Babylon. [Doctrine and Covenants 64:23, 24])

haa haa.... talk about out of context.
Obviously those under the law have a higher standard to meet.

But I'm no longer in that church.

It's no wonder..... Maybe if you actually knew it and the Bible, you would still be in it.

 

[ldsfaqs]

If one claims to be a Christian in a faith that says the Bible is in error, or is missing something, please share what those things are.

LDS do not go around say "what is wrong" with the Bible.
We state simply fact, that it was in the hands of men, and thus it's not perfect, not containing (in full and clearly) the original Church Christ established.
But we study it as it is. We don't say this is that, or that is this, etc. And the JST only clarifies and adds to our understanding. We do not remove the original.

But here are some articles which go into the various things that the "Restoration" of the Church restored in relation to plain and precious truths, related to the Bible or otherwise.
Thanks go to my friend for this list.....

Plain and Precious Truths Restored - Ensign Oct. 2006 - ensign

Some more info:

- Modern Scripture Church Publications (HTML)

- Book of Mormon Church Publications (HTML)

- BofM Clarification Church Publications (HTML)

- The Bible Church Publications (HTML)

- Lost Truths Restored I Church Publications (HTML)

- Lost Truths Restored II Church Publications (HTML)

- Lost Truths Restored III Church Publications (HTML)

- Doctrine & Covenants Church Publications (HTML)

- Book of Moses Church Publications (HTML)

- Book of Abraham Church Publications (HTML)

- How the Bible came to be Part 1 Church Publications (HTML)

- Part 2 Church Publications (HTML)

- Part 3 Church Publications (HTML)

- Part 4 Church Publications (HTML)

- Part 5 Church Publications (HTML)

- Part 6 Church Publications (HTML)

- Part 7 Church Publications (HTML)

- Part 8 Church Publications (HTML)

 

[Rescued One]

Eternal baby-making is not an LDS Doctine. That's youR perception of a church you left long ago. Again another speculation that isnt a part of everyday conversation or study for LDS.

Your opinion on the matter is in error.

“And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s Book of Life … and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever” (D&C 132:19).


What Is Exaltation?
Exaltation is eternal life, the kind of life God lives. He lives in great glory. He is perfect. He possesses all knowledge and all wisdom. He is the Father of spirit children. He is a creator. We can become like our Heavenly Father. This is exaltation.

http://lds.org/library/display/0,4945,11-1-13-59,00.html

And it's not the lack of paying tithes that has one burned as stubble. The proud and those who do wickedly shall be burnt. Tithes payers won't because they are humble enough to sacrifice for the church and others.

And those who do not tithe will also be burnt.

Typically do gooders.

This is only a phrase, not a sentence. What do you mean by it?

 

[Rescued One]

What LDS apparently believe is the Book of Mormon:

Nephi testified that the Bible once “contained the fulness of the gospel of the Lord, of whom the twelve apostles bear record” and that “after [the words] go forth by the hand of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, from the Jews unto the Gentiles, thou seest the formation of that great and abominable church, which is most abominable above all other churches; for behold, they have taken away from the gospel of the Lamb many parts which are plain and most precious; and also many covenants of the Lord have they taken away” (1 Nephi 13:24, 26).
Boyd K. Packer, “Who Is Jesus Christ?,” Ensign, Mar 2008, 12–19

and Boyd K. Packer, Who Is Jesus Christ?
Jesus Christ, The Son of God - His Life and Teachings - Who Is Jesus Christ?


There is an overwhelming lack of understanding in the world in relation to these principles of salvation and exaltation given to prepare mankind for a place in the kingdom of God, and this lack causes many to stumble. There is no excuse on the part of members of the Church, for they have received the necessary revelation directly from the heavens in this Dispensation of the Fulness of Times. The great mission of the Son of God has been revealed in the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants more clearly than any other place. Many passages that have been misunderstood, and therefore mistranslated in the Bible, are clarified in these sacred volumes.(Joseph Fielding Smith, Answers to Gospel Questions, 5 vols. [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1957-1966], 4:.)
http://www.ldsliving.com/answer09_09.asp

"Wherefore, because you have a Bible you need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need you suppose that I have not caused more to be written. 2 Nephi 29:10 (see also verses 3-6 )


The Book of Mormon confirms the teachings of the Old Testament. It confirms the teachings of the New Testament. It restores "many plain and precious things" (1 Ne. 13:28) lost or taken from them (see also 1 Ne. 13:20–42; 1 Ne. 14:23).
Boyd K. Packer, “The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ—Plain and Precious Things,” Liahona, May 2005, 6–9



Requirements for Exaltation
The time to fulfill the requirements for exaltation is now (see Alma 34:32-34). President Joseph Fielding Smith said, "In order to obtain the exaltation we must accept the gospel and all its covenants; and take upon us the obligations which the Lord has offered; and walk in the light and understanding of the truth; and 'live by every word that proceedeth forth from the mouth of God' " (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:43).

To be exalted, we first must place our faith in Jesus Christ and then endure in that faith to the end of our lives. Our faith in him must be such that we repent of our sins and obey his commandments.

He commands us all to receive certain ordinances:



We must be baptized and confirmed a member of the Church of Jesus Christ.

We must receive the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.

We must receive the temple endowment.

We must be married for time and eternity.


In addition to receiving the required ordinances, the Lord commands all of us to--



Love and worship God.

Love our neighbor.

Repent of our wrongdoings.

Live the law of chastity.

Pay honest tithes and offerings.

Be honest in our dealings with others and with the Lord.

Speak the truth always.

Obey the Word of Wisdom.

Search out our kindred dead and perform the saving ordinances of the gospel for them.

Keep the Sabbath day holy.

Attend our Church meetings as regularly as possible so we can renew our baptismal covenants by partaking of the sacrament.

Love our family members and strengthen them in the ways of the Lord.

Have family and individual prayers every day.

Honor our parents.

Teach the gospel to others by word and example.

Study the scriptures.

Listen to and obey the inspired words of the prophets of the Lord.
Gospel Principles


What Is Exaltation?
Exaltation is eternal life, the kind of life God lives. He lives in great glory. He is perfect. He possesses all knowledge and all wisdom. He is the Father of spirit children. He is a creator. We can become like our Heavenly Father. This is exaltation.
Gospel Principles

 

[Son of Zadok]

If one claims to be a Christian in a faith that says the Bible is in error, or is missing something, please share what those things are.

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Jud 1:3
Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.

A few examples:

1. That the Bible must be canonized
2. What scripture books must be contained in or excluded from the Bible
3. What ancient scripture texts (versions) are the most accurate
4. That the Bible should be modified by translation
5. Which modern version of the Bible should be canon.

Son of Zadok

 

[Jpark]

If one claims to be a Christian in a faith that says the Bible is in error, or is missing something, please share what those things are.

(signature follows).....
Jud 1:3
Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.

Nothing's missing. The 66 books are enough, especially the epistles of Peter, James, and to the Hebrews.

That the kingdom of heaven will not come to you by waiting for it. So many wait to be whisked away in the clouds but never ask to what end. The false doctrines of stagnation breed toadstools within the hearts of men.

The Jews thought the same thing and thought it would come by violence...

But you have a good point. It must be desired (Matt. 6:33).

 

[Son of Zadok]

Nothing's missing. The 66 books are enough, especially the epistles of Peter, James, and to the Hebrews.

...

(Matt. 6:33).

You have no right to speak for G-d and say nothing is missing - your opinion is not scripture and should not be confused as scripture. Not only does the bible not teach any such thing anywhere but the manuscripts found among the Dead Sea Scrolls prove that the sacred scriptures were changed -deleting and adding things over time. Some say "core" doctrines were not changed in any textual modifications. Really, what "core" doctrine have Christians not modified over the last 2000 years because of scripture? Even the doctrine of the Trinity created creeds because those that established the Trinity in the 4th century A.D. claimed it necessary because the scriptures were not sufficient in this doctrine. So if you believe in the Trinity according to what was taught during the first 1,000 years of Christianity you statement of nothing missing goes against your own claim to true doctrine.

The only book in the bible that a clam to contain “all things” is Isaiah; yet I have never heard anyone that believes the Bible to be canon quote that scripture, and for good reason.

Son of Zadok

 

[ldsfaqs]

Your opinion on the matter is in error.

“And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s Book of Life … and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever” (D&C 132:19).

Continuation of "seed" doesn't really mean "Eternal Baby Making".
Our own children are not actually "ours", but the Fathers. Even further, they are not actually His, for he formed them as spirits from Intelligences.

We don't really know what "continuation of seed" means. Hence, the speculation, because we are ALL actually "adopted".

 

[Rescued One]

Some LDS are not as familiar with their church's doctrine as others. Some are more concerned with smoke and mirrors than with facts.

Shirley S. Ricks wrote the following on the topic of eternal increase:


"Eternal lives" is a term that refers to the right and power to beget children after the resurrection, granted to those who are exalted in the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom. This is an aspect of eternal progression. "In the celestial glory there are three heavens or degrees; and in order to obtain the highest, a man must enter into this order of the priesthood [meaning the new and everlasting covenant of marriage]; And if he does not, he cannot obtain it. He may enter into the other, but that is the end of his kingdom; he cannot have an increase" (D&C 131:1-4).

This distinctive doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was taught by Joseph Smith and was especially articulated on May 16-17, 1843, at Ramus, Illinois, where he often visited and preached. Conversing on spiritual topics with a small party of friends, the Prophet Joseph Smith shed light on the concept of eternal increase: "Except a man and his wife enter into an everlasting covenant and be married for eternity, while in this probation, by the power and authority of the Holy Priesthood, they will cease to increase when they die; that is, they will not have any children after the resurrection. But those who are married by the power and authority of the priesthood in this life, and continue without committing the sin against the Holy Ghost, will continue to increase and have children in the celestial glory" (TPJS, pp. 300-301). Doctrine and Covenants, section 131, is largely concerned with this subject, and was first included in 1876.

A husband and wife who are married in the new and everlasting covenant and sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise under the proper priesthood authority are promised that they shall inherit "thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers," and their "glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever" (D&C 132:19). They are likened to gods, having no end. They share in the promises of eternal posterity made to Abraham and Sarah: "Both in the world and out of the world should they continue as innumerable as the stars" (D&C 132:30).
Eternal Lives, Eternal Increase


Shirley S. Ricks, apparently, is not afraid of sharing LDS teachings on the internet.


Eternal Increase
First Presidency—Heber J. Grant, Anthony W. Ivins, Charles W. Nibley

“Man is the child of God, formed in the divine image and endowed with divine attributes, and even as the infant son of an earthly father and mother is capable in due time of becoming a man, so that undeveloped offspring of celestial parentage is capable, by experience through ages and aeons, of evolving into a God” (in Clark, Messages of the First Presidency, 5:244).

Elder Melvin J. Ballard

“What do we mean by endless or eternal increase? We mean that through the righteousness and faithfulness of men and women who keep the commandments of God they will come forth with celestial bodies, fitted and prepared to enter into their great, high and eternal glory in the celestial kingdom of God; and unto them through their preparation, there will come spirit children. I don’t think that is very difficult to comprehend. The nature of the offspring is determined by the nature of the substance that flows in the veins of the being. When blood flows in the veins of the being the offspring will be what blood produces, which is tangible flesh and bone; but when that which flows in the veins is spirit matter, a substance which is more refined and pure and glorious than blood, the offspring of such beings will be spirit children. By that I mean they will be in the image of the parents. They will have a spirit body and have a spark of the eternal or divine that always did exist in them” ( Melvin J. Ballard—Crusader for Righteousness, 211).
http://institute.lds.org/manuals/eternal-marriage-student-manual/m1-marriage1-1a.asp

 

[Rescued One]

Those who comply with the new and everlasting covenant of marriage and endure to the end gain the right to become eternal parents. The Prophet Joseph Smith, as he spoke verses 1–4 to William Clayton, stated: “Except a man and his wife enter into an everlasting covenant and be married for eternity, while in this probation, by the power and authority of the Holy Priesthood, they will cease to increase when they die; that is, they will not have any children after the resurrection. But those who are married by the power and authority of the priesthood in this life, and continue without committing the sin against the Holy Ghost, will continue to increase and have children in the celestial glory.” Joseph Smith, History of the Church, 5:391; see also Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 300–301
(bold mine)

LDS, if you want to debate your church's teachings you should at least try to be familiar with them. If you never had the opportunity or did not take the opportunity to attend institute classes, you could at least strive to get copies of those manuals or look them up on line.

 

[effervescenteye]

The Jews thought the same thing and thought it would come by violence...

But you have a good point. It must be desired (Matt. 6:33).

Learn from the mistakes of the past, right? Those silly Pharisees have a lot of wisdom—albeit imperfect. The clever set-apart ones of El gather-up the clods of wisdom buried within every book, idea and even mere utterance.

It certainly wouldn't kill us to look into the Talmud. After all, Jesus said, "beware the leaven of the Sadducees and the Pharisees," not "close your eyes, cover your ears and shout," right?

 

[skylark1]

Continuation of "seed" doesn't really mean "Eternal Baby Making".
Our own children are not actually "ours", but the Fathers. Even further, they are not actually His, for he formed them as spirits from Intelligences.

We don't really know what "continuation of seed" means. Hence, the speculation, because we are ALL actually "adopted".

Although I very seriously doubt that any LDS leaders have used the phrase "eternal baby making," it has been taught by LDS that eternal increase means when they are exalted that couples will have spirit children.

I assume that this google cached page of Gospel Principles is from the 1997 edition.

Blessings of Exaltation
Our Heavenly Father is perfect. However, he is not jealous of his wisdom and perfection. He glories in the fact that it is possible for his children to become like him. He has said, "This is my work and my glory--to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man" (Moses 1:39).

Those who receive exaltation in the celestial kingdom through faith in Jesus Christ will receive special blessings. The Lord has promised, "All things are theirs" (D&C 76:59). These are some of the blessings given to exalted people:

1. They will live eternally in the presence of Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ (see D&C 76).

2. They will become gods.

3. They will have their righteous family members with them and will be able to have spirit children also. These spirit children will have the same relationship to them as we do to our Heavenly Father. They will be an eternal family.

4. They will receive a fulness of joy.

5. They will have everything that our Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ have--all power, glory, dominion, and knowledge. President Joseph Fielding Smith wrote: "The Father has promised through the Son that all that he has shall be given to those who are obedient to his commandments. They shall increase in knowledge, wisdom, and power, going from grace to grace, until the fulness of the perfect day shall burst upon them" (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:36).
​

Gospel Principles​

The 2009 edition reads:

Blessings of Exaltation
• What are some blessings that will be given to those who are exalted?

Our Heavenly Father is perfect, and He glories in the fact that it is possible for His children to become like Him. His work and glory is “to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man” (Moses 1:39).

Those who receive exaltation in the celestial kingdom through faith in Jesus Christ will receive special blessings. The Lord has promised, “All things are theirs” (D&C 76:59). These are some of the blessings given to exalted people:

1. They will live eternally in the presence of Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ (see D&C 76:62).

2. They will become gods (see D&C 132:20–23).

3. They will be united eternally with their righteous family members and will be able to have eternal increase.

4. They will receive a fulness of joy.

5. They will have everything that our Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ have—all power, glory, dominion, and knowledge (see D&C 132:19–20). President Joseph Fielding Smith wrote: “The Father has promised through the Son that all that he has shall be given to those who are obedient to His commandments. They shall increase in knowledge, wisdom, and power, going from grace to grace, until the fulness of the perfect day shall burst upon them” (Doctrines of Salvation, comp. Bruce R. McConkie, 3 vols. [1954–56], ]2:36; italics in original).​

Gospel Principles Chapter 47: Exaltation​

I'm not sure why the wording was changed.

In the Eternal Marriage Student Manuel, LDS Apostle Melvin J. Ballard is quoted explaining the meaning of eternal increase:

“What do we mean by endless or eternal increase? We mean that through the righteousness and faithfulness of men and women who keep the commandments of God they will come forth with celestial bodies, fitted and prepared to enter into their great, high and eternal glory in the celestial kingdom of God; and unto them through their preparation, there will come spirit children. I don’t think that is very difficult to comprehend... ( Melvin J. Ballard—Crusader for Righteousness, 211).

Eternal Marriage Student Manual - Eternal Increase​

 

[ldsfaqs]

Maybe I'm just irritated with the continual misrepresenting of issues.
I'm well familiar with the doctrines and teachings indicated.

But, I'm very irritated by statements like this.

Some LDS are not as familiar with their church's doctrine as others. Some are more concerned with smoke and mirrors than with facts.

Smoke and mirrors individuals accusing us, our faith, our beliefs, as us using "smoke and mirrors" to explain them. Friggen Friggen Frakken!!!!

Note also how she didn't address any of her other claims that she claimed was not in the Bible, but actually are.
She instead chose to pick her most inflammatory statement "baby making" to make an issue of. No addressing of the fact that she misrepresents the other issues.

 

[skylark1]

Maybe I'm just irritated with the continual misrepresenting of issues.
I'm well familiar with the doctrines and teachings indicated.

But, I'm very irritated by statements like this.

Some LDS are not as familiar with their church's doctrine as others. Some are more concerned with smoke and mirrors than with facts.

Smoke and mirrors individuals accusing us, our faith, our beliefs, as us using "smoke and mirrors" to explain them. Friggen Friggen Frakken!!!!

I would be irritated too, if the shoe was on the other foot and an LDS wrote that some non-LDS are not as familiar with what their church teaches as others, while they stated what certain non-LDS teachings were. I would be even more irritated if they claimed that some of us were more interested in smoke and mirrors than with facts. I'm sorry if it came across that I was supporting those views.

Note also how she didn't address any of her other claims that she claimed was not in the Bible, but actually are.

She instead chose to pick her most inflammatory statement "baby making" to make an issue of. No addressing of the fact that she misrepresents the other issues.

I did notice that the wording: "eternal baby making." is not a phrase that I've ever heard LDS use, and that even though both have the same meaning it sounds more sensational than "having spirit children."

For most of the seven teachings that she had listed, your response was either that it was in the Bible, or that the principle was in the Bible. This was the only one that you responded that it was not LDS doctrine.

However, by focusing on this perhaps we are drifting off of the topic of what some believe are plain and precious things missing from the Bible.

 

[Cassiopeia]

The problem with the phrasing "baby making" rather than eternal increase is that it insinuates that we know how spirits are created and that we believe it will be in a carnal sense as well.

It's again more speculation about things that takes the focus off the most basic and most important of all gospel doctrines and that is Jesus was born, he lived and he died for our sins and was resurrected on the third day. That He lives today and we are saved in the kingdom of heaven because of his sacrifice. That's the most precious of all truths.

 

[Rescued One]

Baby-making and making babies and having children all have the same meaning. To reproduce, to conceive, to become pregnant, are other phrases that can be used. I didn't know that baby-making would be an offensive choice of words. Sex is not a forbidden topic in the LDS church; it is discussed in terms of sexual purity and spoken of as physical intimacy. Having children is spoken of by LDS members also; and all children begin life as infants or, IOW, babies. I apologize if the term baby-making is offensive.

"Physical intimacy between husband and wife is beautiful and sacred. It is ordained of God for the creation of children and for the expression of love within marriage" ("Chastity," True to the Faith, 2004, 29–33).
Sexual Purity - The Law of Chastity: Sexual Purity

"The power to create mortal life is the most exalted power God has given his children."
Dallin H. Oaks, “‘The Great Plan of Happiness’,” Ensign, Nov 1993, p. 72