What plain and precious things are missing from the Bible?

[Rescued One]

The problem with the phrasing "baby making" rather than eternal increase is that it insinuates that we know how spirits are created and that we believe it will be in a carnal sense as well.

It's again more speculation about things that takes the focus off the most basic and most important of all gospel doctrines and that is Jesus was born, he lived and he died for our sins and was resurrected on the third day. That He lives today and we are saved in the kingdom of heaven because of his sacrifice. That's the most precious of all truths.

I did not use the words "sexual intercourse."

The power to create mortal life is the most exalted power God has given his children. Its use was mandated in the first commandment, but another important commandment was given to forbid its misuse. The emphasis we place on the law of chastity is explained by our understanding of the purpose of our procreative powers in the accomplishment of God’s plan.

The expression of our procreative powers is pleasing to God, but he has commanded that this be confined within the relationship of marriage. President Spencer W. Kimball taught that “in the context of lawful marriage, the intimacy of sexual relations is right and divinely approved. There is nothing unholy or degrading about sexuality in itself, for by that means men and women join in a process of creation and in an expression of love”
The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, ed. Edward L. Kimball, Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1982, p. 311

Is man's spirit body created in the image of God? Is his physical body a different image of God? Do resurrected people have body parts that distinguish them according to their gender? Or, when they are resurrected, do those body parts just disappear?

"Some will gain celestial bodies with all the powers of exaltation and eternal increase."
Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 2, p. 287

 

[RufustheRed]

Maybe I'm just irritated with the continual misrepresenting of issues.
I'm well familiar with the doctrines and teachings indicated.

But, I'm very irritated by statements like this.

Some LDS are not as familiar with their church's doctrine as others. Some are more concerned with smoke and mirrors than with facts.

Smoke and mirrors individuals accusing us, our faith, our beliefs, as us using "smoke and mirrors" to explain them. Friggen Friggen Frakken!!!!

Note also how she didn't address any of her other claims that she claimed was not in the Bible, but actually are.
She instead chose to pick her most inflammatory statement "baby making" to make an issue of. No addressing of the fact that she misrepresents the other issues.

Why are you talking ABOUT someone else instead of talking TO someone else?

 

[Cassiopeia]

The implication of your use of the phrase "baby making" is most assuredly implicit of "sexual intercourse". Your quotes are about mortal procreation and again you are extrapolating their meanings to extend them beyond their intended purpose.

Please refrain from making a statement such as you have about "baby making" in the next life as it is misleading and a deliberate misrepresentation of LDS theology.

I did not use the words "sexual intercourse."

The power to create mortal life is the most exalted power God has given his children. Its use was mandated in the first commandment, but another important commandment was given to forbid its misuse. The emphasis we place on the law of chastity is explained by our understanding of the purpose of our procreative powers in the accomplishment of God’s plan.

The expression of our procreative powers is pleasing to God, but he has commanded that this be confined within the relationship of marriage. President Spencer W. Kimball taught that “in the context of lawful marriage, the intimacy of sexual relations is right and divinely approved. There is nothing unholy or degrading about sexuality in itself, for by that means men and women join in a process of creation and in an expression of love”
The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, ed. Edward L. Kimball, Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1982, p. 311

Is man's spirit body created in the image of God? Is his physical body a different image of God? Do resurrected people have body parts that distinguish them according to their gender? Or, when they are resurrected, do those body parts just disappear?

"Some will gain celestial bodies with all the powers of exaltation and eternal increase."
Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 2, p. 287

 

[RufustheRed]

The problem with the phrasing "baby making" rather than eternal increase is that it insinuates that we know how spirits are created and that we believe it will be in a carnal sense as well.

It's again more speculation about things that takes the focus off the most basic and most important of all gospel doctrines and that is Jesus was born, he lived and he died for our sins and was resurrected on the third day. That He lives today and we are saved in the kingdom of heaven because of his sacrifice. That's the most precious of all truths.

If what I underlined is what you truly feel, then all of these threads are inconsequential and should not even be addressed. We need not discuss eternal families, temples and church, etc. It is all vanity. The only thing that should be on our mind(s) is that "Jesus was born, he lived and he died for our sins and was resurrected on the third day." Agree?

Personally, I do not believe in eternal baby making or eternal increase as it is absolutely speculation so we will let the LDS speculate and get angry when we bring up the subject. It has no significance for the Evangelical community, nor does it have anything to do with salvation.


Rufus

 

[Rescued One]

The implication of your use of the phrase "baby making" is most assuredly implicit of "sexual intercourse". Your quotes are about mortal procreation and again you are extrapolating their meanings to extend them beyond their intended purpose.

My quotes are there to explain to you and others, that procreation (having sexual intercourse) is not something dirty or wrong to Mormons or people of other religions (except perhaps Shakers). There is a difference between making babies and committing adultery or fornication. Are you unable to see the difference?

"What was the first commandment given to Adam and Eve after their creation? (Moses 2:28.) Explain that Adam and Eve could not obey this commandment before the Fall. Because their bodies were not yet mortal, they could not have children. "
LDS.org - Primary Chapter Detail - The Fall of Adam and Eve

Celestial marriage is a requirement for eternal life according to LDS teachings. Having spirit children is a privilege of only those who are married and exalted; it is not a blessing given to singles. It is impossible to commit fornication in the place where the exalted go.

Please refrain from making a statement such as you have about "baby making in the next life as it is misleading and a deliberate misrepresentation of LDS theology.

It was NOT a deliberate misrepresentation! I don't even think it is a misrepresentation.

 

[RufustheRed]

"Eternal lives" is a term that refers to the right and power to beget children after the resurrection, granted to those who are exalted in the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom..." Eternal Lives, Eternal Increase - The Encyclopedia of Mormonism

What does BEGET CHILDREN mean to you?

Also in the same article we can read, "Latter-day Saints believe that all worthy men and women, through righteous living and being sealed by the power of the priesthood, will in eternal life inherit, with Adam and Eve, Abraham and Sarah, and all the faithful, those same blessings and enjoy a continuation of seeds forever, or eternal increase. [ibid.]

Does this not imply LDS believe that they will be procreating (or "baby making") in the through the eons? Please explain your definition or interpretation of "continuation of seeds forever." What do you suppose "seeds" are?

Also, perhaps you can explain how this has (1) anything to do with this thread and (2) anything to do with Jesus' birth, death and resurrection.

Rufus

The implication of your use of the phrase "baby making" is most assuredly implicit of "sexual intercourse". Your quotes are about mortal procreation and again you are extrapolating their meanings to extend them beyond their intended purpose.

Please refrain from making a statement such as you have about "baby making" in the next life as it is misleading and a deliberate misrepresentation of LDS theology.

 

[Rescued One]

Jesus had three wives:

“Both God the father and our Lord Jesus Christ inherit their wives in eternity as well as time…”
(LDS Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p.172).

“We have clearly shown that God the father had a plurality of wives…”
(The Seer, p.172)


"I said in my lecture on Marriage, at our last conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children.

"...they worship a Savior that is too pure and holy to fulfil the commands of his Father. I worship one that is just pure and holy enough 'to fulfill all righteousness;' not only the righteous law of baptism, but the still more righteous and important law 'to multiply and replenish the earth.' "
(LDS Apostle Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 2, p. 210)

The film says that Orson Pratt taught this; I think they meant Orson Hyde.

I have never heard an LDS member talk about celestial sex. The more familiar terms are eternal increase or a continuation of the seeds. I have not seen the words celestial sex in their writings nor heard it in any of their talks or lessons.

"I said in my lecture on Marriage, at our last conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children."
(bold mine)
LDS Apostle Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 2, p. 210)

Only through the priesthood may these blessings accrue to the member of the Church. The worthy male member must receive the Melchizedek Priesthood, which holds “the key of the mysteries of the kingdom, even the key of the knowledge of God” (D&C 84:19; see also D&C 107:18–19), in order to receive these “mysteries.” Therein lies the key to the principal purpose of the higher priesthood—to reveal the principles of exaltation in the house of the Lord through ordinances, consisting of washings, anointings, the priesthood endowment, and marriage for eternity. (See D&C 124:37–42.) Marriage for eternity is an order of the priesthood “in which the participating parties are promised kingdoms and thrones if they are true and faithful to their obligations.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Ensign, December 1971, p. 98.) These blessings include the power to beget spirit children after the resurrection.
(bold mine)
Roy W. Doxey, “Accepted of the Lord: The Doctrine of Making Your Calling and Election Sure,” Ensign, July 1976, p. 50

Married couples also should understand that sexual relations within marriage are divinely approved not only for the purpose of procreation, but also as a means of expressing love and strengthening emotional and spiritual bonds between husband and wife."
(1998 Church Handbook of Instructions)

 

[Son of Zadok]

My quotes are there to explain to you and others, that procreation (having sexual intercourse) is not something dirty or wrong to Mormons or people of other religions (except perhaps Shakers). There is a difference between making babies and committing adultery or fornication. Are you unable to see the difference?

...

Your terminology is not only misleading but it is incorrect. You have been asked more than once in a very nice manner not to mislead others concerning doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Thus your continued use of the term “baby making” appears to be slanderous and hateful in intent. Spiritual babies are not in LDS doctrine but are not unheard of among the Anti-LDS.

Also - what about adultery and fornication convinces you that it is impossible in so doing that a baby be made? Are you unable to see the similarities?

Son of Zadok

 

[Rescued One]

Your terminology is not only misleading but it is incorrect. You have been asked more than once in a very nice manner not to mislead others concerning doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Thus your continued use of the term “baby making” appears to be slanderous and hateful in intent. Spiritual babies are not in LDS doctrine but are not unheard of among the Anti-LDS.

Also - what about adultery and fornication convinces you that it is impossible in so doing that a baby be made? Are you unable to see the similarities?

Son of Zadok

Honest people don't repeatedly accuse me of misrepresenting Mormonism. It is hateful for people to harrass ex-Mormons. And if anyone has been patient with such false accusations, it is I. So I'm asking you nicely to please practice self-control and do not accuse me of misrepresenting Mormonism.

Making babies is not a hateful thing! God commanded Adam and Eve to make babies. Sex outside of marriage is wrong; it is either an act of fornication or an act of adultery. In marriage, it is an act of love and obedience to a commandment. You can claim that exalted LDS are not to have spirit children; if they don't, they haven't become like Heavenly Father. When I was LDS, it was taught to us that we would have "a continuation of the seeds forever." We would be part of an eternal family and we would have spirit offspring if we qualified for eternal life. Babies are part of families. Babies are blessings. Baby is not a dirty word!

Gerber Baby 1928​

Family Home Evening Manual 1972, p. 126​

 

[RufustheRed]

For those who are having a problem with the unbiblical term of "eternal increase" or "eternal baby making," I would like to know what this means...

“What do we mean by endless or eternal increase? We mean that through the righteousness and faithfulness of men and women who keep the commandments of God they will come forth with celestial bodies, fitted and prepared to enter into their great, high and eternal glory in the celestial kingdom of God; and unto them through their preparation, there will come spirit children. I don’t think that is very difficult to comprehend. The nature of the offspring is determined by the nature of the substance that flows in the veins of the being. When blood flows in the veins of the being the offspring will be what blood produces, which is tangible flesh and bone; but when that which flows in the veins is spirit matter, a substance which is more refined and pure and glorious than blood, the offspring of such beings will be spirit children. By that I mean they will be in the image of the parents. They will have a spirit body and have a spark of the eternal or divine that always did exist in them”

What does the above mean, if not eternal baby making?

Want the source? ask me

Thanks.

 

[RufustheRed]

Your terminology is not only misleading but it is incorrect. You have been asked more than once in a very nice manner not to mislead others concerning doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

If you are referring to someone telling Phoebe that her posts were "misleading and a deliberate misrepresentation of LDS theology," I dare say that is not a "very nice way" of requesting something. Was that the post you meant?

Thus your continued use of the term “baby making” appears to be slanderous and hateful in intent. Spiritual babies are not in LDS doctrine but are not unheard of among the Anti-LDS.

Take it up with Melvin J. Ballard. He would disagree with you.

Also - <snip>

It is obvious you are not in the discussion mood, so any further dialog with you would be fruitless, IMO. Of course, Phoebe Ann is free to do as she pleases.

Rufus

 

[Son of Zadok]

Honest people don't repeatedly accuse me of misrepresenting Mormonism. It is hateful for people to harrass ex-Mormons. And if anyone has been patient with such false accusations, it is I. So I'm asking you nicely to please practice self-control and do not accuse me of misrepresenting Mormonism.

Making babies is not a hateful thing! God commanded Adam and Eve to make babies. Sex outside of marriage is wrong; it is either an act of fornication or an act of adultery. In marriage, it is an act of love and obedience to a commandment. You can claim that exalted LDS are not to have spirit children; if they don't, they haven't become like Heavenly Father. When I was LDS, it was taught to us that we would have "a continuation of the seeds forever." We would be part of an eternal family and we would have spirit offspring if we qualified for eternal life. Babies are part of families. Babies are blessings. Baby is not a dirty word!

Gerber Baby 1928​

Family Home Evening Manual 1972, p. 126​

We all know how certain phrases may have similar meaning but carry a very different meaning. The modern concept that expresses this idea is propaganda. The phrase used in scripture is to “multiple and replenish the earth” not make babies. We can color our intensions by the terms we use - we see this often in the media and politics. We could say “Person A, known for paramilitary relationships and activities was recently stopped by police that discovered a large and suspicious arsenal of weapons and ammunition in their vehicle”. This could also be reported as. “Person A, a member of the local army reserve, was pulled over along with all other traffic on highway 66 at one of the several DUI road blocks last weekend. He was returning from a well know firing range where he was qualifying with several of his own weapons that he had properly unloaded and stored in the trunk of his car.”

There are plenty of members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints that post on this forum that are very capable of speaking to what each believes as an individual or collectively as members of that faith. It is disrespectful and hateful directly towards them both as individuals and collectively as members of their faith to presume that you are better suited to express their views and doctrine than they are. I see no other reason for you to be so insisting in this manner.

The scriptures are very clear in the use of terminology in the creation of “man” to indicate that G-d created man in his image. It clearly does not state that G-d started making babies and for good reason. It is for this very reason that I keep asking you not to color “LDS” doctrine. I for one have no idea what religion you are or what you believe concerning any point on which you have addressed the forum. I am capable of expressing my beliefs and I ask you to both directly and indirectly “practice self-control and do not accuse me or others of misrepresenting Mormonism.”

Son of Zadok
BTW- concerning your statement ” Honest people don't repeatedly accuse me of misrepresenting Mormonism”. Is this your way of saying Mormons are not honest? So far all the vast majority of “Mormons” on this forum have tried to correct your misrepresentations and you refuse to acknowledge it.

 

[skylark1]

Really, so Skylark is not Honest???
She is constantly correcting your misrepresentations.

LDSfaqs,

I would appreciate it if you please stop bringing me up as some sort of example. It is awkward and uncomfortable. To say nothing comes across as though I agree with all that you have said, whether I do or not. And I usually don't care to jump in and try to sort out which parts I agree and disagree with.

However, if you want to discuss something specific that I have written, then that is fine.

FWIW, I think that it would be better to address what you believe to be misrepresentations, than to make general comments about it.

 

[bbbbbbb]

What LDS apparently believe is the Book of Mormon:

Nephi testified that the Bible once “contained the fulness of the gospel of the Lord, of whom the twelve apostles bear record” and that “after [the words] go forth by the hand of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, from the Jews unto the Gentiles, thou seest the formation of that great and abominable church, which is most abominable above all other churches; for behold, they have taken away from the gospel of the Lamb many parts which are plain and most precious; and also many covenants of the Lord have they taken away” (1 Nephi 13:24, 26).
Boyd K. Packer, “Who Is Jesus Christ?,” Ensign, Mar 2008, 12–19

and Boyd K. Packer, Who Is Jesus Christ?
Jesus Christ, The Son of God - His Life and Teachings - Who Is Jesus Christ?


There is an overwhelming lack of understanding in the world in relation to these principles of salvation and exaltation given to prepare mankind for a place in the kingdom of God, and this lack causes many to stumble. There is no excuse on the part of members of the Church, for they have received the necessary revelation directly from the heavens in this Dispensation of the Fulness of Times. The great mission of the Son of God has been revealed in the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants more clearly than any other place. Many passages that have been misunderstood, and therefore mistranslated in the Bible, are clarified in these sacred volumes.(Joseph Fielding Smith, Answers to Gospel Questions, 5 vols. [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1957-1966], 4:.)
http://www.ldsliving.com/answer09_09.asp

"Wherefore, because you have a Bible you need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need you suppose that I have not caused more to be written. 2 Nephi 29:10 (see also verses 3-6 )


The Book of Mormon confirms the teachings of the Old Testament. It confirms the teachings of the New Testament. It restores "many plain and precious things" (1 Ne. 13:28) lost or taken from them (see also 1 Ne. 13:20–42; 1 Ne. 14:23).
Boyd K. Packer, “The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ—Plain and Precious Things,” Liahona, May 2005, 6–9



Requirements for Exaltation
The time to fulfill the requirements for exaltation is now (see Alma 34:32-34). President Joseph Fielding Smith said, "In order to obtain the exaltation we must accept the gospel and all its covenants; and take upon us the obligations which the Lord has offered; and walk in the light and understanding of the truth; and 'live by every word that proceedeth forth from the mouth of God' " (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:43).

To be exalted, we first must place our faith in Jesus Christ and then endure in that faith to the end of our lives. Our faith in him must be such that we repent of our sins and obey his commandments.

He commands us all to receive certain ordinances:



We must be baptized and confirmed a member of the Church of Jesus Christ.

We must receive the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.

We must receive the temple endowment.

We must be married for time and eternity.


In addition to receiving the required ordinances, the Lord commands all of us to--



Love and worship God.

Love our neighbor.

Repent of our wrongdoings.

Live the law of chastity.

Pay honest tithes and offerings.

Be honest in our dealings with others and with the Lord.

Speak the truth always.

Obey the Word of Wisdom.

Search out our kindred dead and perform the saving ordinances of the gospel for them.

Keep the Sabbath day holy.

Attend our Church meetings as regularly as possible so we can renew our baptismal covenants by partaking of the sacrament.

Love our family members and strengthen them in the ways of the Lord.

Have family and individual prayers every day.

Honor our parents.

Teach the gospel to others by word and example.

Study the scriptures.

Listen to and obey the inspired words of the prophets of the Lord.
Gospel Principles


What Is Exaltation?
Exaltation is eternal life, the kind of life God lives. He lives in great glory. He is perfect. He possesses all knowledge and all wisdom. He is the Father of spirit children. He is a creator. We can become like our Heavenly Father. This is exaltation.
Gospel Principles

I have always found it most curious that Mormons' salvation depends on obeying the various ordinances and laws which includes keeping the Sabbath day holy. However, their definition of keeping the Sabbath holy is at complete variance with the explicity instruction given in the Bible. There has not ever been any revelation through an LDS prophet, seer, or revelator which has changed the Biblical content of the Sabbath, yet it is firmly engrained in the LDS mindset that they are to keep the Sabbath holy according to their own ideas.

 

[skylark1]

I have always found it most curious that Mormons' salvation depends on obeying the various ordinances and laws which includes keeping the Sabbath day holy. However, their definition of keeping the Sabbath holy is at complete variance with the explicity instruction given in the Bible.

The following is from the LDS Sunday School manual, Gospel Principles. It is very similar to what I was taught growing up in a Protestant Church.

The word Sabbath comes from a Hebrew word meaning rest. Before the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Sabbath day commemorated God&#8217;s day of rest after He finished the Creation. It was a sign of the covenant between God and His people. We read in the book of Genesis that God created the heavens and the earth in six periods of time, which He called days: &#8220;And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it&#8221; (Genesis 2:2&#8211;3). Now the Sabbath also commemorates the Resurrection of Jesus Christ....

Until His Resurrection, Jesus Christ and His disciples honored the seventh day as the Sabbath. After His Resurrection, Sunday was held sacred as the Lord&#8217;s day in remembrance of His Resurrection on that day (see Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2). From that time on, His followers observed the first day of the week as their Sabbath. In both cases there were six days of labor and one for rest and devotion.​

There has not ever been any revelation through an LDS prophet, seer, or revelator which has changed the Biblical content of the Sabbath, yet it is firmly engrained in the LDS mindset that they are to keep the Sabbath holy according to their own ideas.

LDS consider the following to be a revelation. The Lord's Day is understood to mean Sunday.

Doctrine and Covenants, Section 59

12 But remember that on this, the Lord&#8217;s day, thou shalt offer thine oblations and thy sacraments unto the Most High, confessing thy sins unto thy brethren, and before the Lord.​

FWIW, August 7, 1831 is the day that this revelation is reported to have been given. That date was a Sunday, so when D&C 59:12 refer to "this day, the Lord's day." it clearly meant Sunday.

Calendar [1831]

 

[bbbbbbb]

The following is from the LDS Sunday School manual, Gospel Principles. It is very similar to what I was taught growing up in a Protestant Church.

The word Sabbath comes from a Hebrew word meaning rest. Before the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Sabbath day commemorated God’s day of rest after He finished the Creation. It was a sign of the covenant between God and His people. We read in the book of Genesis that God created the heavens and the earth in six periods of time, which He called days: “And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it” (Genesis 2:2–3). Now the Sabbath also commemorates the Resurrection of Jesus Christ....

Until His Resurrection, Jesus Christ and His disciples honored the seventh day as the Sabbath. After His Resurrection, Sunday was held sacred as the Lord’s day in remembrance of His Resurrection on that day (see Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2). From that time on, His followers observed the first day of the week as their Sabbath. In both cases there were six days of labor and one for rest and devotion.
​

LDS consider the following to be a revelation. The Lord's Day is understood to mean Sunday.

Doctrine and Covenants, Section 59

12 But remember that on this, the Lord’s day, thou shalt offer thine oblations and thy sacraments unto the Most High, confessing thy sins unto thy brethren, and before the Lord.
​

FWIW, August 7, 1831 is the day that this revelation is reported to have been given. That date was a Sunday, so when D&C 59:12 refer to "this day, the Lord's day." it clearly meant Sunday.

Calendar [1831]

Thank you for the explanation. Unfortunately, in both citations the Sabbath is conflated with the Lord's Day, which was a widespread belief thoughout the nineteenth century in many Protestant denominations.

It would be one thing for a church to stress the importance of meeting together on the Lord's Day (Sunday) and leave it at that. It is quite another to lead people into thinking that they are obeying the OT commandment as given by God. This has led to all sorts of theological mischief. In the LDS situation it leads to a false righteousness in that people sincerely believe that they are being fully obedient in this law by doing the LDS religious activities on Sunday.

 

[skylark1]

Thank you for the explanation. Unfortunately, in both citations the Sabbath is conflated with the Lord's Day, which was a widespread belief thoughout the nineteenth century in many Protestant denominations.

It would be one thing for a church to stress the importance of meeting together on the Lord's Day (Sunday) and leave it at that. It is quite another to lead people into thinking that they are obeying the OT commandment as given by God. This has led to all sorts of theological mischief. In the LDS situation it leads to a false righteousness in that people sincerely believe that they are being fully obedient in this law by doing the LDS religious activities on Sunday.

Well, at least you know now that LDS do teach that God has revealed through one of their prophets that that the sabbath is to be observed on Sunday; or the Lord's Day. I probably should have included a larger portion of D&C 59 when it quoted it, so I will repost it here. It makes clear that it is to be a day of rest. So, whether you agree with it or not, at least you now know that it is LDS scripture.

10 For verily this is a day appointed unto you to rest from your labors, and to pay thy devotions unto the Most High;

11 Nevertheless thy vows shall be offered up in righteousness on all days and at all times;

12 But remember that on this, the Lord&#8217;s day, thou shalt offer thine oblations and thy sacraments unto the Most High, confessing thy sins unto thy brethren, and before the Lord.

13 And on this day thou shalt do none other thing, only let thy food be prepared with singleness of heart that thy fasting may be perfect, or, in other words, that thy joy may be full.

14 Verily, this is fasting and prayer, or in other words, rejoicing and prayer.

​

I also thought that the following was interesting.

Since Puritan times, most English-speaking Protestants equate "Lord's Day" (viz., Sunday) with "Sabbath", as do most Roman Catholic and some Eastern Orthodox faiths; kept in commemoration of the resurrection of Christ, it is often celebrated with the Eucharist. For many it is the day of rest, and of communal worship in remembrance of Resurrection Day. It is considered both the first day and the "eighth day" of the seven-day week (although Sunday is designated the "seventh" day of the week in the ISO 8601 standard). Relatively few Christians (as in the Church of Scotland) regard first-day observance as entailing all of the ordinances of Jewish Shabbat in a more rigorous abstention from "worldly" activities. The related Latter Day Saint movement generally follows the stronger of first-day Christian Sabbatarian traditions, avoiding shopping, leisure activities, and work unless absolutely necessary; and in Tonga, all commerce and entertainment activities cease from midnight Saturday until midnight Sunday, and its constitution declares this Sabbath sacred forever. Sometimes Lord's Day is observed by those who believe Sabbath corresponds to Saturday but is obsolete. In Oriental Orthodoxy, the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church has observed both Sunday Resurrection Day and Saturday Sabbath in different ways for several centuries, as have other Eastern Orthodox traditions. As another minority view, some modern Christians uphold Sabbath principles but do not limit observance to either Saturday or Sunday, instead advocating rest on any one chosen day of the week, or advocating Sabbath as instead a symbolic metaphor for rest in Christ.

Sabbath - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia​

 

[RufustheRed]

Really, so Skylark is not Honest???
She is constantly correcting your misrepresentations.
But I know, only Mormons are not "honest" and likely any other blind supporters in your mind.



Sorry, the hate comes from you, not "people". People responding to your bigotry is not them being hateful.



Are you really so ingrained in your bigotry that you can't allow a faithful religious God fearing people dictate their own theology, and you thus honestly understand it and change your tactics?

When are you going to learn that your perverted view of Mormonism is not Mormonism?

We don't believe in various religions, nor your religion, but we don't have to pervert it in order to be critical of it (rare occasion we might be in defense of the Faith). Why don't you have the character to do the same?

I've been dealing with you people for almost 20 years, and one thing is clear, your actions are not honest and are not from God.



True, but the way you represent mormonism IS "dirty".
And you should know better, if you are a real "Christian".

Are you saying that Phoebe is not a "real Christian?" That is against the TOS, you know.

Skylark is a real Christian, almost the only one here...

Would you please enlighten us as to what an unreal Christian is? A what point did God step aside and delegated his power of judgments to you? Last I knew only God truly knows who is and who is not a Christian.
Like you like to say, you really need to stop with the insults and flames to those who do not exactly agree with you. It is so childish.

<snip>

Last two paragraphs not worthy of comment.

Rufus.

 

[ldsfaqs]

bbbbbbbb...... doesn't realize that in the New Testament and in the same times, the "Sabbath Day" was changed by the Church, the Church and Leaders Christ Himself established, to the Lords Day to commemorate the Lords Resurrection and Sacrament.

It was not simply a change that occurred when Protestants came around. Christianity has practiced the Sabbath Day on that day since Christ's Resurrection and the breaking of bread. 7th Day Adventists are thus following a man-made after the fact false interpretation, completely ignoring the change that occurred.

 

[RufustheRed]

The implication of your use of the phrase "baby making" is most assuredly implicit of "sexual intercourse".

So are the terms "knew" and "begetting." Last I heard, no one on this earth is here unless their parents "knew" each other and "begat" them.

Don't you think that this is all getting a little ridiculous? People trying to say what another person's intent is. That is dangerous territory. Ref: http://www.christianforums.com/t7588672/#post58430548 Based on the response given to you, it appears that this poster knew what your intent was. Right?

Your quotes are about mortal procreation and again you are extrapolating their meanings to extend them beyond their intended purpose.

This is not true. Please read Elder Melvin J. Ballard's opinion on this Marriage - M (part 1)

Please refrain from making a statement such as you have about "baby making" in the next life as it is misleading and a deliberate misrepresentation of LDS theology.

Again, please read Marriage - M (part 1) for the veracity of what Phoebe Ann is speaking. She didn't dream it up, it was/is taught within the confines of the LDS church.

Rufus