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What New Aspect Of The Sabbath Is Contained In "proclaiming The Sabbath More Fully"??

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Until you get God out of the box of understanding of your Prophetess you will never have the wonderful peace that comes from knowing He is Able and has done what He said He would do.

You assume alot Chris...

I came to my understanding of Sabbath long before I started reading Ellen Whites writings or associated with Adventists. It was becasue of the Holy Spirit leading me to the Sabbath truth, through Biblical evidence, that I sought out like minded brethren and found the SDA. I had never even heard of them before this...

Like you, I was Baptist. Difference was, I allowed the Holy Spirit to show me things I had not considered before and didn't rebel against it because it diffeered from my preconceived ideas and what I had been taught.
 
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Sorry doesn't cut with me. I am told by The Word of God to:

Deuteronomy 18:15
“ The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your countrymen, you shall listen to him.


I listen to Him.

And in Matthew 17:5While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

I listen to Him.

Deuteronomy 20But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

21And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? 22When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

I listen to Him
:amen: Total agreement.
 
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You assume alot Chris...

I came to my understanding of Sabbath long before I started reading Ellen Whites writings or associated with Adventists. It was becasue of the Holy Spirit leading me to the Sabbath truth, through Biblical evidence, that I sought out like minded brethren and found the SDA. I had never even heard of them before this...

Like you, I was Baptist. Difference was, I allowed the Holy Spirit to show me things I had not considered before and didn't rebel against it because it diffeered from my preconceived ideas and what I had been taught.

Just a quick question: Why did you feel like you had to read Ellen after you came to the revelation of Sabbath?

I have been in the same church(and BTW it is not Baptist, not that it makes any difference)all my life. My actual baptismal verse was John 3:16. I am going to confess to you that when I gave that verse and was baptized I did not understand what it meant. Thru many avenues in my life I have come to understand the Bible in a way that only came from the Holy Spirit because I do not remember being taught exacetly what I believe. That journey started at a young age,22 as I had to take responsiblity for my father-in-laws affairs at a time of illness and subsequent death. I struggled thru marriage issues and my way of thinking at that time was I could not divorce. God speaking thru my 6 year old son to: "pray to God mommy and he will help you" brought me to an understanding of allowing God to show me the way. I therefore have a 47 year marriage. Many things happened in the years to follow.

But the wonderful climax to it all came in 1998 when I was thrust into finding out about the Sabbath and all that goes along with SDA. I had no comptuter at that time and so I would sit with my Bible and The Holy Spirit every chance I had to find the truth. He lead me to Galatians, Romans, Ephesians, 2 Corinthians and I found truth, all corroborated by The Old Testament. Then when I finally did get a computer I found that those people who have questioned the beliefs of SDA came up with the same scriptures to defend their position as I had.

You say you came to an understanding of the Sabbath way before you read Ellen. Well you see that is where my experience differers from yours in that I knew about God and His Holy Spirit and a truth that cannot pass understanding and that is that He died for my while I was a sinner because He loves me and wants me with Him. I trusted Him and he lead me all the way to:


Romans 14 5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

You see this scripture came to me in 1998 just as I was being confronted with SDA. It came in a way that could not be denied. As I was sitting in my church one Sunday in October a person got up to read scripture and this was the scripture. I said Oh My I never knew there was such as I had not been a Bible reading person. Oh yes I did my devotions but never really studied like God had impressed to me I should. But He had my attention now. Well the real truth to this that when the pastor got up to give sermon he made statement that he must have given brother....the wrong text as it should have been Romans 15. But you see it was the right text for me and from there I was thrust into the most glorious study of the Bible that anyone could imagine.

I pray you understand. Maybe another time I will share all the other things that have happened to make me positive beyond any doubt that I was lead by God.

May God be glorified TODAY, NOT because of what we do but because we believe and testify of what He did.
 
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Just a quick question: Why did you feel like you had to read Ellen after you came to the revelation of Sabbath?

I have been in the same church(and BTW it is not Baptist, not that it makes any difference)all my life. My actual baptismal verse was John 3:16. I am going to confess to you that when I gave that verse and was baptized I did not understand what it meant. Thru many avenues in my life I have come to understand the Bible in a way that only came from the Holy Spirit because I do not remember being taught exacetly what I believe. That journey started at a young age,22 as I had to take responsiblity for my father-in-laws affairs at a time of illness and subsequent death. I struggled thru marriage issues and my way of thinking at that time was I could not divorce. God speaking thru my 6 year old son to: "pray to God mommy and he will help you" brought me to an understanding of allowing God to show me the way. I therefore have a 47 year marriage. Many things happened in the years to follow.

But the wonderful climax to it all came in 1998 when I was thrust into finding out about the Sabbath and all that goes along with SDA. I had no comptuter at that time and so I would sit with my Bible and The Holy Spirit every chance I had to find the truth. He lead me to Galatians, Romans, Ephesians, 2 Corinthians and I found truth, all corroborated by The Old Testament. Then when I finally did get a computer I found that those people who have questioned the beliefs of SDA came up with the same scriptures to defend their position as I had.

You say you came to an understanding of the Sabbath way before you read Ellen. Well you see that is where my experience differers from yours in that I knew about God and His Holy Spirit and a truth that cannot pass understanding and that is that He died for my while I was a sinner because He loves me and wants me with Him. I trusted Him and he lead me all the way to:


Romans 14 5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

You see this scripture came to me in 1998 just as I was being confronted with SDA. It came in a way that could not be denied. As I was sitting in my church one Sunday in October a person got up to read scripture and this was the scripture. I said Oh My I never knew there was such as I had not been a Bible reading person. Oh yes I did my devotions but never really studied like God had impressed to me I should. But He had my attention now. Well the real truth to this that when the pastor got up to give sermon he made statement that he must have given brother....the wrong text as it should have been Romans 15. But you see it was the right text for me and from there I was thrust into the most glorious study of the Bible that anyone could imagine.

I pray you understand. Maybe another time I will share all the other things that have happened to make me positive beyond any doubt that I was lead by God.

May God be glorified TODAY, NOT because of what we do but because we believe and testify of what He did.

You didn't say if you have read any of Ellen Whites books... I am not going to tell you that you need to but I have found great blessing in reading the ones I have. For anyone that hasn't read Desire of Ages or any of her other books, I don't think criticism is warranted. If you have read a book or two and didn't receive a blessing, then that would be different, although I can't imagine that being the case.
 
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You didn't say if you have read any of Ellen Whites books... I am not going to tell you that you need to but I have found great blessing in reading the ones I have. For anyone that hasn't read Desire of Ages or any of her other books, I don't think criticism is warranted. If you have read a book or two and didn't receive a blessing, then that would be different, although I can't imagine that being the case.

I read only the Bible for instruction of what God wants of me.
 
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Just a quick question: Why did you feel like you had to read Ellen after you came to the revelation of Sabbath?
Sorry, I realized I hadn't answered your question.

Short answer- I didn't feel I had to read anything from her...

When I started attending the SDA church, I didn't know anything about Ellen White and was reluctant to view her as the church did. When I was baptized, I was given a copy of The Great Controversy and decided to give it a read... I am a historical buff and was impressed by the evidence for the SDA position using historical sources to back up the prophesies of Daniel and Revelation. The Desire of Ages was my next book and I was moved to tears by times for the beautiful way she described Christs life and His ministry. That book brought me into a much more personal relationship with Him. For me the more I read of her inspired writings, the closer my walk becomes with the Father and the Son... I would encourage anyone who has never read anything from her, to read Desire of Ages.

People think of Adventism as a cult, but being directed to Christ and His Righteousness is what defines this movement, obeying what He has shown us to do and proclaiming the messages of the three angels of Revelation. There is nothing in our faith that contradicts what God has said in His Word...
 
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I read only the Bible for instruction of what God wants of me.

So how can you have such a strong negative opinion of someone you have never read? The writings of Ellen white direct us back to the Word, not away from it... just as prophets of old did for God's people at that time.
 
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Martinman:

You stated:

There were 7 annual feasts in the earthly sanctuary services. Some of these days, along with some others, are mentioned as “sabbaths”, 12 in all, and other feast days are not called, “sabbaths.”

This is not Biblical at all and I will continue to stress this clearly. Also read what the SDA Commentary call the first Feast of Yahweh.

Feast and Holy Convocations

Sabbath - Texts: Ex. 20:8–11; Num. 28:9, 10. Time: Every 7th day is holy. Offerings: 2 lambs for a burnt offering, besides the continual burnt offering. SDA Bible Commentary Vol. 1 p 708

"Tell the Israelites: On the first day of the seventh month hold a worship festival. It will be a memorial day, a holy assembly announced by the blowing of rams' horns. Lev 23:24 (GW)

I choose this version abovebecause it is very clear with understanding and correct because every month all were to assemble for worship. Isa 66:23 states clearly that this will also be in Heaven as well. The Seventh Month represents the blowing of Trumpets that correlates with Seven Trumpet blown in Revelation 8. 9

The 7th-day Sabbath is not a type or a shadow or a prophecy of anything, (See PP 48), yet, the 7th-day Sabbath casts “shadows”. These “shadows” have great prophetic significance when understood. The Apostle Paul speaks of them as being “a shadow of things to come.”

Precepts Given to Guard Decalogue.—In consequence of continual transgression, the moral law was repeated in awful grandeur from Sinai. Yashua gave to Moses religious precepts which were to govern everyday life. These statutes were explicitly given to guard the ten commandments. They were not shadowy types to pass away with the death of Yashua. They were to be binding upon men in every age as long as time should last. These commands were enforced by the power of the moral law, and they clearly and definitely explained that law ST, April 15, 1875

"Thou camest down also upon Mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments." Nehemiah 9:13

shabbathon - Pronounced shab-baw-thone' actually meaning a special holiday

Shabbath - Pronounced shab-bawth' specifically the Sabbath: (+ every) Sabbath.

And YAHWEH spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of YAHWEH, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts. Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the Sabbath of YAHWEH in all your dwellings. These are the feasts of YAHWEH, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. Lev 23:1-4

And YAHWEH spake unto Moses, saying, Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto YAHWEH. And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before YAHWEH your Elohim. For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people. And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people. Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings. It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath Lev 23:26-32

Does anyone knows the different between the word "the Sabbath" and "a or your sabbath?" Can you look up and see that "the" is specific and "a" is not! Paul use "Sabbath days" and not "our sabbath yearly day." There is a difference. It is my sincere desire that all would understand words and stop interpreting the Bible because it explains what it means. The Catholic Church has attempted to change Yahweh's truth concerning the feast days as they claim:

By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of; and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same church. Because by keeping Sunday, they acknowledge the church’s power to ordain feasts, and to command them under sin; and by not keeping the rest [of the feasts] by her commanded, they again deny, in fact, the same power. –Rev. Henry Tuberville, D.D. (R.C.), (1833), page 58

Again the people were reminded of the sacred obligation of the Sabbath. Yearly feasts were appointed, at which all the men of the nation were to assemble before Yahweh, bringing to Him their offerings of gratitude and the first fruits of His bounties. The object of all these regulations was stated: they proceeded from no exercise of mere arbitrary sovereignty; all were given for the good of Israel. Yahweh said, "Ye shall be holy men unto Me"--worthy to be acknowledged by a holy Elohim. PP p 310, 311

Show me anywhere in the Bible that it states that the Feast Days (which included the Seventh Day Sabbath) belongs to the Jews and they were not Yahweh's holy convocation days? Do you think Paul's words are greater than Yahweh's own words? Do you think Paul would be in contrary to Elohim's words? Adventist leaders do not provide that the Catholic Church made claim to all of Yahweh's feast days which includes the weekly Sabbath!

Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of YAHWEH, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts. Lev 23:2

Happy Sabbath and be blest,
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Cribstyl:

You said: The text say plainly don't judge people who eat drink or keep certain days. That implies that one size don't fit all Stryder. Freedom from the law is implied, not slavery to the law.

This is what most attempts to make Paul declare including Adventist:

Don't let anyone tell you what you must eat or drink. Don't let them say that you must celebrate the New Moon festival, the Sabbath, or any other festival. (CEV)

But that is not what Paul said and you must go back to the beginning:

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; (these were the law of Moses or the sacrificial system of Laws.) And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. (Yashua through death not only saved us but vindicated His Father's name. He triumph over the powers of Satan and showed what Satan was truly about a liar and a murder by killing His Creator.) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days: (the Jews who wanted the Colossians to keep the Mosaic laws that were done away with. Dan 9:26 But the Paul wanted the Colossians to know that Jews had no right to condemn them in keeping the supper meal [bread and the wine] and all of Yahweh feast days which are statutes and not ordinances. The Jews felt that if they did not keep Moses' law than they should not accept the Sabbath, the supper and the holy convocation days and the new moons [which were the first day of each month that were to be worshiped except the seventh month it was a feast of Yahweh's]. Why would he repeat holy days he was referring to Seventh day Sabbaths? Gen 26:5; Ex 15:26; 18:16; Lev 10:11; Deut 4:14; Psa 19:8; 119:48) Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Yashua the Messiah. Col 2:14-17

shadow (v.)late O.E. sceadwian "to protect as with covering wings"

Read your Bible and go back to the origin of the word and know what it really means.

# 1. Are you saying the meek cannot inherit the earth in their lifetime?#2. Explain your concept of how you'll have 24/7 with no sun or moon Stryder. Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb [is] the light thereof. Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

Please read what the Bible actually said. There is a Temple of Yahweh that will not be in the city call the "New Jerusalem." The words of Yashua said:

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my Elohim, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my Elohim, and the name of the city of my Elohim, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my Elohim: and I will write upon him my new name. Rev 3:12

Again please study history the Temple was not inside of the city during the Bible it was on Mount Moriah (soon will be call Zion) where Abraham was told to kill his son. The walls of the Temple were separated from the walls surrounding the city but there were outer walls that surrounding them both from attack! The "New Jerusalem" will not have the Temple inside because the Glory of Elohim will fill the place but there is a Temple!

Therefore are they before the throne of Elohim, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. Rev 7:15

And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. Rev 14:1

Mount Zion is not the city but where the Temple of Yahweh will be located because the great multitude will serve Him night and day and he will also have some for priest and kings!

And hath made us kings and priests unto Elohim and his Father; to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen. Rev 1:6

Happy Sabbath and be bless,
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Awesome :)

Can you pleae tell me what you believe in regards to the following:

1. The nature of the soul

Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.


2. The nature of hell

Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

3. Sunday as a holy day

According to Romans 14 all days are alike. We do know from Scripture that the clumination of what God had prepared from the beginning happened on a Sunday. Therefore it seems fitting that I should worship the God who saved me from my sin on that day along with all other believers who understand these verses:
John 1:11-13


11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
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John 3:
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

May God thru His Spirit give understanding as you consider His Words
 
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Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
This doesn't really answer my question.

Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Same thing here. Let's put it like this, do you believe that you have an immortal soul, and do you believe that people who are lost will burn forever?

3. Sunday as a holy day

According to Romans 14 all days are alike. We do know from Scripture that the clumination of what God had prepared from the beginning happened on a Sunday. Therefore it seems fitting that I should worship the God who saved me from my sin on that day along with all other believers who understand these verses:

Ok. How does a day become holy? Paul has no power to proclaim one day holier than another, so what he said in Roman's 14 should be understood in that light. Also, from scripture we know that God declared the 7th day to be a holy and sanctified day. Do you have any scripture that declares God making a change to that?
 
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If you listen only to Him, can you tell me where He said to stop worshipping on the Sabbath? If the Sababth was a perpetual sign between Him and His people, there must be a 'thus saith the Lord' to change that, right?

Perpetual doesnt necesssarily mean its everlasting, or that it cannot have an ending... all things are possible for God, even that...

Hosea 2 would be a good starting point...
 
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Perpetual doesnt necesssarily mean its everlasting, or that it cannot have an ending... all things are possible for God, even that...

Hosea 2 would be a good starting point...

JohnMarsten:
The Hebrew word "olam" is continual or ageless. I read Hosea so what's your point please?????
Blessings,

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This doesn't really answer my question.


Same thing here. Let's put it like this, do you believe that you have an immortal soul, and do you believe that people who are lost will burn forever?



Ok. How does a day become holy? Paul has no power to proclaim one day holier than another, so what he said in Roman's 14 should be understood in that light. Also, from scripture we know that God declared the 7th day to be a holy and sanctified day. Do you have any scripture that declares God making a change to that?


Sorry my answers are not what you were looking for. I gave the answer that The Spirit of the Living God impressed upon me.
 
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I would like to ask if you have read this statement before? What truths have been unseen since the day of Pentecost?



“Great truths that have lain unheeded and unseen since the day of Pentecost, are to shine from God's word in their native purity. To those who truly love God the Holy Spirit will reveal truths that have faded from the mind, and will also reveal truths that are entirely new. Those who eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of God will bring from the books of Daniel and Revelation truth that is inspired by the Holy Spirit. They will start into action forces that cannot be repressed. The lips of children will be opened to proclaim the mysteries that have been hidden from the minds of men.” Fundamentals of Christian Education 473


The true Interpreter, the Messiah, began at Moses (Luke 24) when He explained the truth of His resurrection and the significance of the ritual services together with His interpretation of the “shadow”Sabbaths.


And it is the light that emanates from the Sabbath that causes these prophecies of Daniel and Revelation to burst forth with new life under the power of the Holy Spirit. There is much more light on the Sabbath that all will need to know in order to recognize the latter rain message. There is an entire system of truth and prophecy that is opened by a deeper understanding of the 7th day Sabbath and the “shadows” that it casts in the sanctuary services.



I am not advocating returning to the observances of the ritual services which were a part of the old covenant and ended at the cross. But these ritual services are tremendously significant and profoundly prophetic, “typical of mysteries in the plan of redemption” (Signs of the Times, July 29, 1886) that God wants to reveal to our understanding.


These mysteries will compose the latter rain message. Some will have to learn in a few months that which others took years in learning. But this knowledge is essential before the servants of God can be sealed and before they could ever “proclaim the Sabbath more fully.”
 
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I would like to ask if you have read this statement before? What truths have been unseen since the day of Pentecost?



“Great truths that have lain unheeded and unseen since the day of Pentecost, are to shine from God's word in their native purity. To those who truly love God the Holy Spirit will reveal truths that have faded from the mind, and will also reveal truths that are entirely new. Those who eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of God will bring from the books of Daniel and Revelation truth that is inspired by the Holy Spirit. They will start into action forces that cannot be repressed. The lips of children will be opened to proclaim the mysteries that have been hidden from the minds of men.” Fundamentals of Christian Education 473


The true Interpreter, the Messiah, began at Moses (Luke 24) when He explained the truth of His resurrection and the significance of the ritual services together with His interpretation of the “shadow”Sabbaths.


*And it is the light that emanates from the Sabbath that causes these prophecies of Daniel and Revelation to burst forth with new life under the power of the Holy Spirit. There is much more light on the Sabbath that all will need to know in order to recognize the latter rain message. There is an entire system of truth and prophecy that is opened by a deeper understanding of the 7th day Sabbath and the “shadows” that it casts in the sanctuary services.



I am not advocating returning to the observances of the ritual services which were a part of the old covenant and ended at the cross. But these ritual services are tremendously significant and profoundly prophetic, “typical of mysteries in the plan of redemption” (Signs of the Times, July 29, 1886) that God wants to reveal to our understanding.


These mysteries will compose the latter rain message. Some will have to learn in a few months that which others took years in learning. But this knowledge is essential before the servants of God can be sealed and before they could ever “proclaim the Sabbath more fully.”

I read the Bible only(as I have delcared previous) and in light of that I would ask:

* How can you say that the light comes from the Sabbath when scripture says differently:

Luke 2:30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,

31Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; 32A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.


John 9: 5As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
 
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