What New Aspect Of The Sabbath Is Contained In "proclaiming The Sabbath More Fully"??

[Martinman]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"I saw that we sensed and realized but little of the importance of the Sabbath, to what we yet should realize and know of its importance and glory.I saw we knew not what it was yet to ride upon the high places of the earth and to be fed with the heritage of Jacob. But when the refreshing and latter rain shall come from the presence of the Lord and the glory of His power we shall know what it is to be fed with the heritage of Jacob and ride upon the high places of the earth. Then shall we see the Sabbath more in its importance and glory. But we shall not see it in all its glory and importance until the covenant of peace is made with us at the voice of God,and the pearly gates of the New Jerusalem are thrown open and swing back on their glittering hinges and the glad and joyful voice of the lovely Jesus is heard richer than any music that ever fell on mortal ear bidding us enter. [I saw] that we had a perfect right in the city for we had kept the commandments of God, and heaven, sweet heaven is our home." Maranatha 245[/FONT]​

“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]And at the commencement of the time of trouble, we were filled with the Holy Ghost as we went forth [Hosea 6:2, 3.] and proclaimed the Sabbath more fully. This enraged the church, and nominal Adventists, as they could not refute the Sabbath truth[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And at this time, God's chosen, all saw clearly that we had the truth, and they came out and endured the persecution with us. And I saw the sword, famine, pestilence, and great confusion in the land.” WLF 18.4 [/FONT]​

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"I saw that we sensed and realized but little of the importance of the Sabbath, to what we yet should realize and know of its importance and glory.I saw we knew not what it was yet to ride upon the high places of the earth and to be fed with the heritage of Jacob. But when the refreshing and latter rain shall come from the presence of the Lord and the glory of His power we shall know what it is to be fed with the heritage of Jacob and ride upon the high places of the earth. Then shall we see the Sabbath more in its importance and glory. But we shall not see it in all its glory and importance until the covenant of peace is made with us at the voice of God,and the pearly gates of the New Jerusalem are thrown open and swing back on their glittering hinges and the glad and joyful voice of the lovely Jesus is heard richer than any music that ever fell on mortal ear bidding us enter. [I saw] that we had a perfect right in the city for we had kept the commandments of God, and heaven, sweet heaven is our home." Maranatha 245[/FONT]​

“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]And at the commencement of the time of trouble, we were filled with the Holy Ghost as we went forth [Hosea 6:2, 3.] and proclaimed the Sabbath more fully. This enraged the church, and nominal Adventists, as they could not refute the Sabbath truth[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And at this time, God's chosen, all saw clearly that we had the truth, and they came out and endured the persecution with us. And I saw the sword, famine, pestilence, and great confusion in the land.” WLF 18.4 [/FONT]​

Your question is somewhat rhetorical as the quote says that we will not know the true significance until we enter into the city. We will be given a deeper understanding at the outpouring of the latter rain but that hasn't happened in full measure yet.

 

[Martinman]

Your question is somewhat rhetorical as the quote says that we will not know the true significance until we enter into the city. We will be given a deeper understanding at the outpouring of the latter rain but that hasn't happened in full measure yet.

That is a true assessment that the refreshing and latter rain has not yet come according to the complete statement by Ellen G. White. It says that at the commencement of the time of trouble, the saints fled from the cities and villages,and that they were filled with the Holy Ghost. This has not yet taken place.

No, I am not implying that the Latter rain has already fallen. But there is 10 times more to understand about the importance of the Sabbath than what the church knows today. The holy time of the Sabbath, from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset is multiple times more significant than what God's people are presently aware of. The glory of the Sabbath has not yet been realized, yet the evidence is plainly revealed in the Scriptures.

I am reminded of the statement:

"The words which they needed to remember were banished from their minds; and when the time of trial came, it found them unprepared. The death of Jesus as fully destroyed their hopes as if he had not forewarned them. So in the prophecies the future is opened before us as plainly as it was opened to the disciples by the words of Christ. The events connected with the close of probation and the work of preparation for the time of trouble, are clearly presented. But multitudes have no more understanding of these important truths than if they had never been revealed. Satan watches to catch away every impression that would make them wise unto salvation, and the time of trouble will find them unready." GC88 594.

It is our privilege to know these truths that are revealed, if we will cast away all prejudice.

The latter rain comes in answer to the cry of the people of God. They feel a desperate need for the power of the Holy Spirit to enable them to "proclaim the Sabbath more fully," a very unpopular message that they feel convicted by the Holy Spirit to proclaim with a loud voice.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

That is a true assessment that the refreshing and latter rain has not yet come according to the complete statement by Ellen G. White. It says that at the commencement of the time of trouble, the saints fled from the cities and villages,and that they were filled with the Holy Ghost. This has not yet taken place.

No, I am not implying that the Latter rain has already fallen. But there is 10 times more to understand about the importance of the Sabbath than what the church knows today. The holy time of the Sabbath, from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset is multiple times more significant than what God's people are presently aware of. The glory of the Sabbath has not yet been realized, yet the evidence is plainly revealed in the Scriptures.

I am reminded of the statement:

"The words which they needed to remember were banished from their minds; and when the time of trial came, it found them unprepared. The death of Jesus as fully destroyed their hopes as if he had not forewarned them. So in the prophecies the future is opened before us as plainly as it was opened to the disciples by the words of Christ. The events connected with the close of probation and the work of preparation for the time of trouble, are clearly presented. But multitudes have no more understanding of these important truths than if they had never been revealed. Satan watches to catch away every impression that would make them wise unto salvation, and the time of trouble will find them unready." GC88 594.

It is our privilege to know these truths that are revealed, if we will cast away all prejudice.

The latter rain comes in answer to the cry of the people of God. They feel a desperate need for the power of the Holy Spirit to enable them to "proclaim the Sabbath more fully," a very unpopular message that they feel convicted by the Holy Spirit to proclaim with a loud voice.

Great quote....

When the time comes for the decision to be made, the Holy Spirit will empower the message so that none will be left not understanding the issue and it's significance. The truth of the Sabbath may be known by all but will only be accepted by a few.

 

[Martinman]

Great quote....

When the time comes for the decision to be made, the Holy Spirit will empower the message so that none will be left not understanding the issue and it's significance. The truth of the Sabbath may be known by all but will only be accepted by a few.

EastCoastRemnant,


Always appreciate your comments.


The true understanding of the “shadow” Sabbaths, that the Apostle Paul referred to, in Colossians 2:16, 17, will glorify the Sabbath of the fourth commandment and give it ten times more significance than what is presently understood by the church.


Following are several profound statements from the Spirit of Prophecy showing the prophetic nature of the entire earthly sanctuary system, including the “shadow” Sabbaths.


Everything in that system was a type, which pointed to the future anti-type.


“All the ceremonies of the Jewish law were prophetic, typical of mysteries in the plan of redemption.” 6BC 1095 E.G.W.

“Christians who profess to be Bible students can appreciate more fully than ancient Israel did the full signification of the ceremonial ordinances that they were required to observe. If they are indeed Christians, they are prepared to acknowledge the sacredness and importance of the shadowy types, as they see the accomplishment of the events which they represent.” RH, May 6, 1875


“The significance of the Jewish economy is not yet fully comprehended. Truths vast and profound are shadowed forth in its rites and symbols. The gospel is the key that unlocks its mysteries. Through a knowledge of the plan of redemption, its truths are opened to the understanding. Far more than we do, it is our privilege to understand these wonderful themes. We are to comprehend the deep things of God. Angels desire to look into the truths that are revealed to the people who with contrite hearts are searching the word of God, and praying for greater lengths and breadths and depths and heights of the knowledge which He alone can give.” COL 133


“That which was type and symbol to the Jews is reality to us.” COL 317

“These types were fulfilled, not only as to the event, but as to the time. On the fourteenth day of the first Jewish month, the very day and month on which, for fifteen long centuries, the passover lamb had been slain, Christ, having eaten the passover with his disciples, instituted that feast which was to commemorate his own death as “the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world......In like manner, the types which relate to the second advent must be fulfilled at the time pointed out in the symbolic service.” The Great Controversy 399

Each of these statements has such tremendous meaning.

There were 7 annual feasts in the earthly sanctuary services. Some of these days, along with some others, are mentioned as “Sabbaths”, 12 in all, and other feast days are not called, “Sabbaths”.


The 7th-day Sabbath is not a type or a shadow or a prophecy of anything, (See PP 48), yet, the 7th-day Sabbath casts “shadows”. These “shadows” have great prophetic significance when understood. The Apostle Paul speaks of them as being “a shadow of things to come.”

“Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: Which are a shadow of things to come;” Colossians 2:16, 17.

These “shadow” Sabbaths, are also spoken of, in Leviticus 23: 38, 39.

“Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD. Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day [shall be] a sabbath, and on the eighth day [shall be] a sabbath.” Leviticus 23:38, 39.


There are only 12 annual “shadow” Sabbaths listed in Leviticus 23. These “shadow” Sabbaths have a perfect 7 day sequence, as does the 7th-day Sabbath.


A surfacing reading of Leviticus 23 could cause one to think that because the Day of Atonement, the tenth day of the 7th month, and the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles, which is the 15th day of the same month, that there is no perfect 7-day sequence involved. Deeper Biblical research will show a perfect 7-day sequence between all 12 of the “shadow” Sabbaths.


Without making this post too lengthy, I wonder are you following me this far?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

With ya so far... reading with extreme interest.

 

[Martinman]

With ya so far... reading with extreme interest.

Very good, Among the days between the Passover and the Day of Pentecost, there are eight days which are specifically called, “Sabbaths”.




Leviticus 23: 15, 16 KJV “And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days;”




The Wave Sheaf was waved on the 3rd day from the Passover, on the 16th day of the first month, the day after the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, defining the 15th day, which was the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, a “Sabbath”.




From the Wave Sheaf, then, the Israelites were to count seven Sabbaths complete or 49 days—“even unto the morrow after the seventh Sabbath shall ye number fifty days. This 50th day was the Day of Pentecost. These eight “Sabbaths” were in a perfect 7- day sequence, although they could occur on various days of the week, depending on which day of the week, the new moon occurred. (The new moon being the first day of the month). If the new moon happened to occur on the 7th-day Sabbath, then, all of the eight days named as “Sabbaths”, also occurred on 7th-day Sabbaths.




This same principle, also,applies to the four remaining “Sabbaths” that occur in the fall feasts in the seventh month. The four days named as “Sabbaths” are: The Feast of Trumpets, the first day of the seventh month; the Day of Atonement, the tenth day of the seventh month; the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles, the fifteenth day of the seventh month; and the eighth day of the Feast of Tabernacles, the twenty-second day of the seventh month. (Leviticus 23:24, 32, 39)




Although the spring feast were observed without variation every year, this was not the case with the fall feasts, observed in the seventh month. Every seventh year, the Sabbath year, these fall feasts were observed with special ceremonies indicating that their main fulfillment must be in a Sabbath year. (Deuteronomy 31:10-16)




There was only one feast day that had extra special significance in the Sabbath year, and, also, in the Jubilee year. That feast was the Day of Atonement.




In the Sabbath year, on the Day of Atonement, a certain class of Hebrew slaves were set free. However, in the Jubilee year, on the Day of Atonement, all slaves were set at liberty.




If the new moon of the seventh month in the 7th Sabbath year, happens to fall on the 7th day Sabbath, then all four of the days named as “Sabbaths” in the fall feasts, occur on 7th-day Sabbaths in these two consecutive years, the 7th Sabbath year and the year of Jubilee. To state again, if the new moon of the seventh month, the Feast of Trumpets, in the 7th Sabbath year, falls on a 7th-day Sabbath, then, the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles and the eighth day of the Feast of Tabernacles would occur on 7th day Sabbaths, as well, as would the next Day of Atonement, which is the Day of Atonement of the Jubilee year. This shows a perfect 7-day sequence for the days named as, “Sabbaths” within the fall feasts in their specially designated years when they have their greatest significance.




Am I making myself clear enough, up to this point?



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[EastCoastRemnant]

I recognize the importance of the number 7 but I have a question regarding the wave sheaf offering. Can you point me to the passage that shows it was three days after Passover? In my read of Leviticus 23 it doesn't state that... it would seem to me that if this ceremony was tied directly to the harvest, it would vary year by year. Maybe I'm missing something here... I know there was a first fruits offering associated with the Passover, the two loaves of bread, but that wasn't the wave sheaf offering...

 

[Cribstyl]

I find this chapter explains it best...Why let commentary change the truth from your heart?

Col
1 I want you to know how much I have agonized for you and for the church at Laodicea, and for many other believers who have never met me personally.
2 I want them to be encouraged and knit together by strong ties of love. I want them to have complete confidence that they understand God’s mysterious plan, which is Christ himself.
3 In him lie hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
4 I am telling you this so no one will deceive you with well-crafted arguments.
5 For though I am far away from you, my heart is with you. And I rejoice that you are living as you should and that your faith in Christ is strong.
Freedom from Rules and New Life in Christ

6 And now, just as you accepted Christ Jesus as your Lord, you must continue to follow him.
7 Let your roots grow down into him, and let your lives be built on him. Then your faith will grow strong in the truth you were taught, and you will overflow with thankfulness.
8 Don’t let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers [fn1] of this world, rather than from Christ.
9 For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. [fn2]
10 So you also are complete through your union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.

11 When you came to Christ, you were “circumcised,” but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision—the cutting away of your sinful nature. [fn3]
12 For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead.

13 You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins.
14 He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross.
15 In this way, he disarmed [fn4] the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross.

16 So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths.
17 For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality.
18 Don’t let anyone condemn you by insisting on pious self-denial or the worship of angels, [fn5] saying they have had visions about these things. Their sinful minds have made them proud,
19 and they are not connected to Christ, the head of the body. For he holds the whole body together with its joints and ligaments, and it grows as God nourishes it.

20 You have died with Christ, and he has set you free from the spiritual powers of this world. So why do you keep on following the rules of the world, such as,
21 “Don’t handle! Don’t taste! Don’t touch!”?
22 Such rules are mere human teachings about things that deteriorate as we use them.
23 These rules may seem wise because they require strong devotion, pious self-denial, and severe bodily discipline. But they provide no help in conquering a person’s evil desires.


Commentary explaining that Paul was not including the weekly Sabbath is wishfull thinking at best. Elevating commentary to nullify and negate scripture is the philosophy and deception that Paul is talking about in this chapter.
People chose to reject what is written for what is reasoned in error.

 

[Cribstyl]

This icon represents the bible. Why use it if your thread is not about what the bible has to say on this subject?

It seems to me that all the words posted so far is to "explain away" what Paul meant by these verses.

16 So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths.
17 For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality.

 

[Stryder06]

Crib, you would do better using a proper translation of that text. Your modern translation inputs the "for not..." portion. Truth is that a proper reading of the text shows Paul telling them not to worry about someone judging them for what they were doing. Notice also that Paul says they are a shadow of what is to come.

 

[Cribstyl]

Crib, you would do better using a proper translation of that text. Your modern translation inputs the "for not..." portion. Truth is that a proper reading of the text shows Paul telling them not to worry about someone judging them for what they were doing. Notice also that Paul says they are a shadow of what is to come.

Most people get the same understanding from most of the translation. The commentary add several pages of confusing dialog to confuse what is clearly written and taught about the Sabbath.
The KJV say....
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.

NASB say....

16 Therefore no one is to [fn14] act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath [fn15] day— 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the [fn16] substance [fn17] belongs to Christ.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

This icon represents the bible. Why use it if your thread is not about what the bible has to say on this subject?

It seems to me that all the words posted so far is to "explain away" what Paul meant by these verses.

16 So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths.
17 For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality.

What did Jesus teach Crib? Can you explain why He spent so much time teaching on the proper way to keep Sabbath?

Are you comfortable following what you think Paul taught or should you look to none other than Christ?

As for me and my house, we will obey the Lord.

 

[Cribstyl]

What did Jesus teach Crib? Can you explain why He spent so much time teaching on the proper way to keep Sabbath?

Here are all the texts in the 4gospels about Jesus and the sabbath. Please click on the numbers below in red or post other texts. Help us to understand where you get the idea that Jesus spent much time teaching about the Sabbath. (You will ignor and try to change the subject again)

Mat(9) From Matthew's gospel please show us which texts shows Jesus teaching His disciples about the Sabbath?

Mar(10) From Mark's gospel please show us which text shows Jesus teaching His disciple about the Sabbath?

Luk(17) From Luke's gospel please show us which text shows Jesus teaching His disciple about the Sabbath?



Jhn(9) From John's gospel please show us which text shows Jesus teaching His disciple about the Sabbath?

Are you comfortable following what you think Paul taught or should you look to none other than Christ?

Here's a clue... Jesus sent Paul to teach the Gospel and all church doctrines. Jesus came under the law "Old covenant". We're not under the law.

As for me and my house, we will obey the Lord.

Make sure it's God's word you're obeying. I will be waiting to see you prove what you're teaching ECR.

 

[Martinman]

I recognize the importance of the number 7 but I have a question regarding the wave sheaf offering. Can you point me to the passage that shows it was three days after Passover? In my read of Leviticus 23 it doesn't state that... it would seem to me that if this ceremony was tied directly to the harvest, it would vary year by year. Maybe I'm missing something here... I know there was a first fruits offering associated with the Passover, the two loaves of bread, but that wasn't the wave sheaf offering...

Regarding the Wave Sheaf offering—Well, actually the Wave Sheaf wasn't 3 days after Passover, from the Bible references it was the third day including Passover in the count.


Although Josephus, the first century Jewish historian, states that the Wave Sheaf offering was always waved on the 16th day of the first month (See quotation below), we are privileged to have much more positive proof than that in the teaching of the Messiah, as well as, His fulfillment of the Wave Sheaf offering. We also have the inspired writings of our prophet, E. G. White.


Josephus, a reknowned Pharisee; [Antiquities III, Chapter X, Paragraph 5]
"In the month of Xanthicus, which is by us called Nisan, and is the beginning of our year, on the fourteenth day of the lunar month, when the sun is in Aries, (for in this month it was that we were delivered from bondage under the Egyptians,) the law ordained that we should every year slay that sacrifice which I before told you we slew when we came out of Egypt, and which was called the Passover; and so we do celebrate this passover in companies, leaving nothing of what we sacrifice till the day following. The feast of unleavened bread succeeds that of the passover, and falls on the fifteenth day of the month, and continues seven days, wherein they feed on unleavened bread; on every one of which days two bulls are killed, and one ram, and seven lambs. Now these lambs are entirely burnt, besides the kid of the goats which is added to all the rest, for sins; for it is intended as a feast for the priest on every one of those days. But on the second day of unleavened bread, which is the sixteenth day of the month, they first partake of the fruits of the earth, for before that day they do not touch them. And while they suppose it proper to honor God, from whom they obtain this plentiful provision, in the first place, they offer the first-fruits of their barley, and that in the manner following: They take a handful of the ears, and dry them, then beat them small, and purge the barley from the bran; they then bring one tenth deal to the altar, to God; and, casting one handful of it upon the fire, they leave the rest for the use of the priest. And after this it is that they may publicly or privately reap their harvest. They also at this participation of the first-fruits of the earth, sacrifice a lamb, as a burnt-offering to God. "


BIBLE EVIDENCE:


“From that time forth began Jesus to show unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.” Matthew 16:21


“Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men: And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.” Matthew 17:22, 23


“And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them,
Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify [him]: and the third day he shall rise again.” Matthew 20:17-19


“For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him.” Mark 9:31, 32


“And he took again the twelve, and began to tell them what things should happen unto him,
[Saying], Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles:
And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.” Mark 10:32-34


“And he straitly charged them, and commanded [them] to tell no man that thing; Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.” Luke 9:21, 22


“And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third [day] I shall be perfected” Luke 13:32


“And they shall scourge [him], and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.” Luke 18:33


“Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again. And they remembered his words,” Luke 24:7, 8




“But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done..... “And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.” Luke 24:21, 27

“And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: “ Luke 24:44-46


“Christ arose from the dead as the first fruits of those that slept. He was the antitype of the wave sheaf, and His resurrection took place on the very day when the wave sheaf was to be presented before the Lord.” Desire of Ages, 785, 786


“These types were fulfilled, not only as to the event, but as to the time. On the fourteenth day of the first Jewish month, the very day and month on which, for fifteen long centuries, the passover lamb had been slain, Christ, having eaten the passover with his disciples, instituted that feast which was to commemorate his own death as “the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” That same night he was taken by wicked hands, to be crucified and slain. And as the antitype of the wave-sheaf, our Lord was raised from the dead on the third day, “the first-fruits of them that slept,” [1 Corinthians 15:20].” GC88 399


There is no inspired evidence that would indicate any variation from the 16th day of the first month for the celebration of the Wave Sheaf.

 

[Stryder06]

Most people get the same understanding from most of the translation. The commentary add several pages of confusing dialog to confuse what is clearly written and taught about the Sabbath.
The KJV say....
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.

NASB say....

16 Therefore no one is to [fn14] act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath [fn15] day— 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the [fn16] substance [fn17] belongs to Christ.

You'll have to forgive me Crib, but I'm losing more faith in the modern translations. I'll give you an example as to why:

Rev 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

NASB renders that as so

Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city.

Many translations are changing words within the scripture to support a traditional understanding. Along with that, Col 2:16 still calls it a shadow. It can't be a shadow if it doen't exist, and second, Paul never says "Don't do these things". His advice to the Colossians is not about not doing something, but about not allowing others to discourage them in what it is that they are doing.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Here are all the texts in the 4gospels about Jesus and the sabbath. Please click on the numbers below in red or post other texts. Help us to understand where you get the idea that Jesus spent much time teaching about the Sabbath. (You will ignor and try to change the subject again)

Mat(9) From Matthew's gospel please show us which texts shows Jesus teaching His disciples about the Sabbath?

Mar(10) From Mark's gospel please show us which text shows Jesus teaching His disciple about the Sabbath?

Luk(17) From Luke's gospel please show us which text shows Jesus teaching His disciple about the Sabbath?



Jhn(9) From John's gospel please show us which text shows Jesus teaching His disciple about the Sabbath?


Here's a clue... Jesus sent Paul to teach the Gospel and all church doctrines. Jesus came under the law "Old covenant". We're not under the law.

Make sure it's God's word you're obeying. I will be waiting to see you prove what you're teaching ECR.

Thank you Crib for linking to the texts I was refering to... I don't just see a casual mention of the subject of Sabbath, do you? Not only did Jesus claim the Sabbath as His day, He used the occasion of healing, more than once, to teach proper Sabbath principle and said very plainly that if you love Him, keep His Commandments. He also spoke of the Sabbath when looking down at the destruction of Jeruselum, far beyond the cross.

I'm sorry that you regard these passages to be of no significance, but I can't think of anything that He taught more on.

Of the things He taught that have less mention than the Sabbath, do you not abide by these? Just curious?

 

[Cribstyl]

You'll have to forgive me Crib, but I'm losing more faith in the modern translations. I'll give you an example as to why:

Rev 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

NASB renders that as so

Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city.

Many translations are changing words within the scripture to support a traditional understanding. Along with that, Col 2:16 still calls it a shadow. It can't be a shadow if it doen't exist, and second, Paul never says "Don't do these things". His advice to the Colossians is not about not doing something, but about not allowing others to discourage them in what it is that they are doing.

Stryder, there are two different manuscripts have been historically used for most transliterations. Everyone knows not to change what has been passed down for centuries. Yes, It does seem that some people want to change God's word to fit their doctrines. We cant have that can we?

Stryder, shadows do not exist. They are just dark images, they changes in size and shapes. It is true to say that shadow are reflections of something real but it's never becomes reality. Shadow disappears when true light comes. Jesus is the true light.

It is questionable to teach that shaddows are copies of the real thing.

The wisdom of Col 2:16 is teaching; don't allow people to judge you; by putting spiritual value on what you eat or what holidays you keep or whatever days you worship God. ( because worship in the flesh is not the same as worship in the spirit.)
Will there be cooking meat in heaven??? The fact is, we shall be changed to immortality. This means that we will never die of hunger nor can we get hot or cold, sick or poor. There will not be time, so no one will get older by the day.
There will be no sun or moon to rule day and night. If we're not on the earth how can we have 24hr/7days a week??
ISA 66 is figurative in part, but some people are quick to take some parts as literal and ignor some other parts.

 

[Cribstyl]

Thank you Crib for linking to the texts I was refering to... I don't just see a casual mention of the subject of Sabbath, do you? Not only did Jesus claim the Sabbath as His day, He used the occasion of healing, more than once, to teach proper Sabbath principle and said very plainly that if you love Him, keep His Commandments. He also spoke of the Sabbath when looking down at the destruction of Jeruselum, far beyond the cross.

You're welcome ECR, (I like it when you're kind, I can also return the flavor)

Right, It's was not a causual mention, it's was a collision of man against God, who thought they represented God. It is bigger lesson to say that Jesus was telling them that He had authority to do what it was not lawful to do because He was exempt as the priest who serve on the sabbath.

I'm sorry that you regard these passages to be of no significance, but I can't think of anything that He taught more on.

Just what I expect when you have no facts. Did I say that these passages have no significance? I'm proving that mischaracterizing the fact sto claim that Jesus is teaching how to keep the sabbath is questionable.

Of the things He taught that have less mention than the Sabbath, do you not abide by these? Just curious?

Just what I expect from you..questions and no answers.

 

[Stryder06]

Stryder, shadows do not exist. They are just dark images, they changes in size and shapes. It is true to say that shadow are reflections of something real but it's never becomes reality. Shadow disappears when true light comes. Jesus is the true light.

It is questionable to teach that shadows are copies of the real thing.

Crib, I never said shadows were copies of the real. Rather, shadows, in scripture, point us toward something. And either way, the text doesn't say a thing about not doing those things.

The wisdom of Col 2:16 is teaching; don't allow people to judge you; by putting spiritual value on what you eat or what holidays you keep or whatever days you worship God. ( because worship in the flesh is not the same as worship in the spirit.)
Will there be cooking meat in heaven??? The fact is, we shall be changed to immortality. This means that we will never die of hunger nor can we get hot or cold, sick or poor. There will not be time, so no one will get older by the day.
There will be no sun or moon to rule day and night. If we're not on the earth how can we have 24hr/7days a week??
ISA 66 is figurative in part, but some people are quick to take some parts as literal and ignor some other parts.

Well we're going to see this differently obviously. I was just giving you my input on what the text means, and why I'm wary of modern translations. And I've never subscribed to the idea that we won't tell time in heaven. Scripture doesn't teach that. It's simply an assumption made by man in his attempt to understand what eternity will be like. And the meek will inherit the earth Crib, so the 24/7 period will continue.