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In prophecy, 30 years, each day being a year.
(This is explained in various books.)
Peace,
Bruce
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What exactly is a Biblical month?
In prophecy, 30 years, each day being a year.
(This is explained in various books.)
Peace,
Bruce
That is not 30 years being discussed.On the day of this event, the Tribulation begins and lasts for 7 years, or 2,520 days (30 days to a Biblical month).
The original thing I commented on was:
That is not 30 years being discussed.
I know that in the Tanakh, weeks are discussed as a 7 year period. So that 7 weeks is actually 49 years and the like. But this is not what they are stating. This statement seems to be suggesting that a month was always 30 days in the Bible... which is not true.
If the ancient Jewish calendar was lunar, wouldn't a month be a ... 28 day cycle?
I know that in the Tanakh, weeks are discussed as a 7 year period. So that 7 weeks is actually 49 years and the like. But this is not what they are stating. This statement seems to be suggesting that a month was always 30 days in the Bible... which is not true.
Agreed.
But a prophetic month is 30 days, and this is the value used in the various time prophecies such that, for example, 2,300 days becomes 2,300 years; a week seven years, a month 30 years, etc..
Regards,
Bruce
... but I have only seen weeks mentioned which would be 7 years.
You know what history shows? Christians trying to crush Jews. Trying to force conversions. Taking the Torah scrolls, taking the Talmuds, burning them. Forcing them out of villages, out of countries. Killing them.
History would suggest that Judaism hurts Christianity to death as Jews are more than happy to be left alone but their Christian neighbors throughout history have wanted them gone.
And yet, the Jews are no strangers to killing their own prophets, or despising their own God. In fact, many of Israel's greatest enemies have been other Jews. Look at Marx, who wrote that Jews believed in a "huckstering god" and were master hucksters themselves in his "The Jewish Question" treatise. What did that mentality lead to? The common hatred of Jews amongst international socialists and national socialists to this very day which kills and threatens to kill millions. But these terrible things, including the hate of God, are not Jewish phenomena. It is a human phenomena, as man is a debased creature that does not enjoy the burning fire of God's rebuke.
But as for the Messiah you speak of in this thread. The 70 Weeks of Daniel have long been fulfilled. Christ was the one who fulfilled them. There can be no other, and no one who ever impersonates Him will prosper.
And yet, the Jews are no strangers to killing their own prophets, or despising their own God. In fact, many of Israel's greatest enemies have been other Jews. Look at Marx, who wrote that Jews believed in a "huckstering god" and were master hucksters themselves in his "The Jewish Question" treatise. What did that mentality lead to? The common hatred of Jews amongst international socialists and national socialists to this very day which kills and threatens to kill millions. But these terrible things, including the hate of God, are not Jewish phenomena. It is a human phenomena, as man is a debased creature that does not enjoy the burning fire of God's rebuke.
But as for the Messiah you speak of in this thread. The 70 Weeks of Daniel have long been fulfilled. Christ was the one who fulfilled them. There can be no other, and no one who ever impersonates Him will prosper.
I am confused by how many believe the 70th week is the tribulation period. There is absolutely no biblical reason to come to this conclusion. I mean pretribber, mid tribber, and even my fellow post trib believers are in agreement on this and yet it is not true. Acts 3: 25 tells us what the covenant was ''Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.''
And Galatians 3:17 tells us who confirmed it ''And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.''
Jesus even quotes Daniel 9:27 when declaring Hid blood was the blood of the new covenant
Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
The 70th week began when Jesus was baptized, He ended the sacrifices 3.5 yrs later when He became our sacrifice, and it ended 3.5 yrs after the cross when the gosple went to the Gentiles.
None of this makes what happened historically to Jews OK.
No, that refers to the Temple, not the messiah. No time frame was ever given for the coming of the messiah.
Yes there was:
Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
No, but it does reveal that human nature is... well, awful, and that you cannot point to Christians without also pointing a finger at yourselves, as we are all men. Though there are less people who hate me just because I am Hispanic than there are that hate you just because you're Jewish.
You are making "messiah the Prince" and "messiah" the same person. In Jewish understanding, this is not correct. These are two people as can be seen because the time frames are far apart.
25. And you shall know and understand that from the emergence of the word to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem until the anointed king [shall be] seven weeks, and [in] sixty-two weeks it will return and be built street and moat, but in troubled times. 26. And after the sixty-two weeks, the anointed one will be cut off, and he will be no more, and the people of the coming monarch will destroy the city and the Sanctuary, and his end will come about by inundation, and until the end of the war, it will be cut off into desolation.
The annointed king mentioned first is Cyrus, as you can see in Isaiah 45:
1. So said the Lord to His anointed one, to Cyrus, whose right hand I held, to flatten nations before him, and the loins of kings I will loosen, to open portals before him, and gates shall not be closed.
and then in Ezra, you see him giving the command to rebuild the Temple
1. And in the first year of Cyrus, the king of Persia, at the completion of the word of the Lord from the mouth of Jeremiah, the Lord aroused the Spirit of Cyrus, the king of Persia, and he issued a proclamation throughout his kingdom, and also in writing, saying: 2. "So said Cyrus, the king of Persia, 'All the kingdoms of the earth the Lord God of the heavens delivered to me, and He commanded me to build Him a House in Jerusalem, which is in Judea.
Cyrus is giving the word right there. That is the messiah the prince.
The second part is the destruction of the temple with the high priest being killed. The coming monarch is the Romans who destroy the Temple and such.
Not having a prophet or anything like that is not a deal breaking. You are creating a problem for my religion. If I created ones for yours, would it make you doubt?
This rendering of the prophecy is illogical.
Ok, I looked up what I had read before and I explained it completely poorly and had things wrong. Sometimes completely wrong. Relying on memory is not always a good thing. However, as I said, I would not be allowed to link it here. If given some time, I could try to type it up.
Here's the thing though. Do you really believe that learned Jews did not have an explanation for these things and just ignore it? I am sure these have been answered for a long time. It is clear that the only answer is not "Jesus".
There are plenty of "learned" people who have explanations for all sorts of contradictory things. It means nothing and should not be trusted. You should not base your confidence on the assumption that some smart Rabbi somewhere disproved all Christianity. You must search it out yourself and make your own conclusions. Such was how I handled it before I converted.
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