what messianic prophecies where not fulfilled by jesus?

[dfw69]

Please list the messianic prophecies that were not fulfilled by jesus .....

 

[CaliforniaSun]

Name one that has.

 

[dfw69]

Name one that has.

is 61:1...the spirit of the lord is upon me..because the lord hath anointed me to preace good tidings unto the meek..he has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound

 

[CaliforniaSun]

is 61:1...the spirit of the lord is upon me..because the lord hath anointed me to preace good tidings unto the meek..he has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound

Sounds like a description of Robin Hood.

Why do the Jews not accept this?

 

[dfw69]

Sounds like a description of Robin Hood.

Why do the Jews not accept this?

are you mocking as it written....in the last days men will mock jesus with no shame?

when was robin hood anointed by hashem?

 

[LoAmmi]

is 61:1...the spirit of the lord is upon me..because the lord hath anointed me to preace good tidings unto the meek..he has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound

Please explain why this is a prophecy about the messiah.

 

[LoAmmi]

• Isaiah 1:26: "And I will restore your judges as at first and your counsellors as in the beginning; afterwards you shall be called City of Righteousness, Faithful City." Some Jews[4] interpret this to mean that the Sanhedrin will be re-established."(Isaiah 1:26)
• Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)
• The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:11-17)
• He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via Solomon (1 Chronicles 22:8-10, 2 Chronicles 7:18)
• The "spirit of the Lord" will be upon him, and he will have a "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)
• Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)
• Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)
• He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)
• All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)
• Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)
• There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)
• All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)
• The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)
• He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)
• Nations will recognize the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13-53:5)
• The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)
• The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)
• Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)
• The people of Israel will have direct access to the Torah through their minds and Torah study will become the study of the wisdom of the heart (Jeremiah 31:33)[5]
• He will give you all the worthy desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)
• He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13-15, Ezekiel 36:29-30, Isaiah 11:6-9)

The list of prophecies I pulled from Wiki as a neutral source. Do you need me to highlight which ones have not been fulfilled?

 

[Booko]

Oh, LoAmmi hit quite a few that I would've mentioned.

I may have missed it in his list but I would add this:

The government is not upon his shoulder and where's the peace? Isaiah 9:6

Mind you, I don't look for overly literal understandings of all these prophecies, but even metaphorically I can't see how quite a few of these work.

Also, I'm willing to entertain the idea that fulfillment isn't an instant thing, but after 2000 years really I would expect to see...something?

 

[dfw69]

Oh, LoAmmi hit quite a few that I would've mentioned.

I may have missed it in his list but I would add this:

The government is not upon his shoulder and where's the peace? Isaiah 9:6

Mind you, I don't look for overly literal understandings of all these prophecies, but even metaphorically I can't see how quite a few of these work.

Also, I'm willing to entertain the idea that fulfillment isn't an instant thing, but after 2000 years really I would expect to see...something?

hi booko.....you expect to see something after 2000 years?....the lord is not slack as some count slackness....but is patient not willing that any should perish but all come to repentance....a day is as 1000 years to god....so its only been 2 days....but in the last days many will begin to say..."where is the promise of his coming back?"..and also....as the lord tarries...his enemies will grow.....until harvest....thats when he returns....when the tares are full grown....when his enemies are clearly seen for who they are....
In those days he will fulfill all the remaining messianic prophecies......

 

[dfw69]

Please explain why this is a prophecy about the messiah.

because when jesus read it before his own....he said today in your hearing the scriptures are fulfilled.....


the spirit of hashem was upon him....all his prayers were answered....he was anointed with wisdom power might knowledge ....and work all miracles....healing sick .. blind saw mame lame leoprocy desiese healed dumb spoke lame walk.....deaf heard...casting out demons...lunatics healed...epileptics healed....feed multitudes...and did many more works not recorded....he preach the good tidings of the gospel and new testament teaching on salvation...he set all jews free from bondage of the law for them who believed....and even open the graves and set the ones held in the holding place free...many rose from the dead and testified....and seen of by many in israel.....

 

[dfw69]

• Isaiah 1:26: "And I will restore your judges as at first and your counsellors as in the beginning; afterwards you shall be called City of Righteousness, Faithful City." Some Jews[4] interpret this to mean that the Sanhedrin will be re-established."(Isaiah 1:26)
• Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)
• The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:11-17)
• He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via Solomon (1 Chronicles 22:8-10, 2 Chronicles 7:18)
• The "spirit of the Lord" will be upon him, and he will have a "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)
• Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)
• Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)
• He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)
• All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)
• Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)
• There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)
• All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)
• The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)
• He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)
• Nations will recognize the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13-53:5)
• The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)
• The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)
• Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)
• The people of Israel will have direct access to the Torah through their minds and Torah study will become the study of the wisdom of the heart (Jeremiah 31:33)[5]
• He will give you all the worthy desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)
• He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13-15, Ezekiel 36:29-30, Isaiah 11:6-9)

The list of prophecies I pulled from Wiki as a neutral source. Do you need me to highlight which ones have not been fulfilled?

no need to highlight

 

[dfw69]

Oh, LoAmmi hit quite a few that I would've mentioned.

I may have missed it in his list but I would add this:

The government is not upon his shoulder and where's the peace? Isaiah 9:6

Mind you, I don't look for overly literal understandings of all these prophecies, but even metaphorically I can't see how quite a few of these work.

Also, I'm willing to entertain the idea that fulfillment isn't an instant thing, but after 2000 years really I would expect to see...something?

You asked where is the peace?....jesus kingdom is not yet come...the kingdom of heaven is yet to be fulfilled by jesus who promises to return....when he returns peace will be realized....for satan will be bound.....the kingdoms of this world will end....and jesus will reign from jerusalem.....the enemies shall be cast out of the kingdom to come....

but for now...satan is the prince of this world....that is why there is no peace.....

 

[LoAmmi]

because when jesus read it before his own....he said today in your hearing the scriptures are fulfilled.....


the spirit of hashem was upon him....all his prayers were answered....he was anointed with wisdom power might knowledge ....and work all miracles....healing sick .. blind saw mame lame leoprocy desiese healed dumb spoke lame walk.....deaf heard...casting out demons...lunatics healed...epileptics healed....feed multitudes...and did many more works not recorded....he preach the good tidings of the gospel and new testament teaching on salvation...he set all jews free from bondage of the law for them who believed....and even open the graves and set the ones held in the holding place free...many rose from the dead and testified....and seen of by many in israel.....

You are not naming the prophecies needed. You are stating that Jesus said it. Then you are naming miracles, which is not a prophecy. Then you are saying he set Jews free, which is not a prophecy. Then you say the dead rose, which was so exciting only one gospel writer even bothered to write about it and nobody else seemed to take notice.

What about the PROPHECIES listed?

Well, I really need to hop off for Shabbat. It has been a long day.

 

[ViaCrucis]

We've each had two thousand years upon which to argue, debate, and have developed vast swaths of interpretary hermeneutics concerning a number of texts in the Tanakh/Old Testament. Something tells me that we (Jews and Christians) are probably not going to be agreeing on this subject anytime soon.

Understanding where, how and why we disagree in a civil environment could probably be a fruitful exchange.

Debating/arguing it probably won't result in much fruitful exchange.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[smaneck]

• Isaiah 1:26: "And I will restore your judges as at first and your counsellors as in the beginning; afterwards you shall be called City of Righteousness, Faithful City." Some Jews[4] interpret this to mean that the Sanhedrin will be re-established."(Isaiah 1:26)

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  Was there a Sanhedrin when Isaiah was written?

 

[chunkofcoal]

• Isaiah 1:26: "And I will restore your judges as at first and your counsellors as in the beginning; afterwards you shall be called City of Righteousness, Faithful City." Some Jews[4] interpret this to mean that the Sanhedrin will be re-established."(Isaiah 1:26)
• Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)
• The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:11-17)
• He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via Solomon (1 Chronicles 22:8-10, 2 Chronicles 7:18)
• The "spirit of the Lord" will be upon him, and he will have a "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)
• Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)
• Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)
• He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)
• All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)
• Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)
• There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)
• All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)
• The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)
• He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)
• Nations will recognize the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13-53:5)
• The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)
• The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)
• Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)
• The people of Israel will have direct access to the Torah through their minds and Torah study will become the study of the wisdom of the heart (Jeremiah 31:33)[5]
• He will give you all the worthy desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)
• He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13-15, Ezekiel 36:29-30, Isaiah 11:6-9)

The list of prophecies I pulled from Wiki as a neutral source. Do you need me to highlight which ones have not been fulfilled?

This may be a little off topic, but I have a question. Some of these prophecies are things that God said that He would do, so then why are they about Moshiach? For example - Isaiah 1:26 "I will restore your judges as at first..." or Ezekiel 16:55 is mentioned but in 16:53 God said, "And I shall return their captivity..."
Why aren't these prophecies about what God will do? Aren't they prophecies about what God will do, or is it understood that God will work through Moshiach?

Also, is there a difference between the prophecies about Moshiach, and the prophecies about the Days of Moshiach? Is it understood that as soon as Moshiach comes, everything changes?

 

[dfw69]

You are not naming the prophecies needed. You are stating that Jesus said it. Then you are naming miracles, which is not a prophecy. Then you are saying he set Jews free, which is not a prophecy. Then you say the dead rose, which was so exciting only one gospel writer even bothered to write about it and nobody else seemed to take notice.

What about the PROPHECIES listed?

Well, I really need to hop off for Shabbat. It has been a long day.

Of the prophecy list...jesus was a messenger of peace...son of david...recieved by israel as hailed messish...ridding in on a donkey....he feared hashen...the spirit was upon him....thus the annointing or messiah...his message does atract all cultures and nations who believe


but what you believe is that jesus should have fulfilled all the messianic prophecies in order too be recieved......i believe the messiah had to suffer and be cut off to enter into his glory....now that his work is finished...he will return to claim what is rightfully his.....why was his first coming hidden from the jews is beyond me....but there are many who forshaddow jesus...like joshua who leads to promise land and joseph forshaddows the messiah....

yes jesus did not fulfill the promises to israel ....yet...but one day all the prphecies will be fulfilled by him when he returns...his first mission was to redeem...pay for israel and the world...the next is to claim....and bring forth the kingdom of heaven...then will jesus be king

 

[LoAmmi]

The last paragraph is the most important to me. They are not complete. I do not believe some mission to die for sins was necessary as it was not in the Tanakh as far as I am concerned.

 

[LoAmmi]

This may be a little off topic, but I have a question. Some of these prophecies are things that God said that He would do, so then why are they about Moshiach? For example - Isaiah 1:26 "I will restore your judges as at first..." or Ezekiel 16:55 is mentioned but in 16:53 God said, "And I shall return their captivity..."
Why aren't these prophecies about what God will do? Aren't they prophecies about what God will do, or is it understood that God will work through Moshiach?

Also, is there a difference between the prophecies about Moshiach, and the prophecies about the Days of Moshiach? Is it understood that as soon as Moshiach comes, everything changes?

Most Messianic prophecies are about the Messianic age and not the person of The Messiah.

 

[dfw69]

The last paragraph is the most important to me. They are not complete. I do not believe some mission to die for sins was necessary as it was not in the Tanakh as far as I am concerned.

I understand your pov.....but what about daniel who said messiah will be cut off?...the 70 weeks prophecy?...