What makes something right or Wrong?

[amonk]

Quick question :
When George Bush says 'Americas freedom' ,do you actually believe that this is the reality of the Americans that they live in free country ?

Do you believe in Objectivistic moralists ?

Do you believe what you see on reality TV , actually reality ?

Do you appreciate Art ?

No reason behind the questions ..

" there isn't anything known as special knowledge. All humans have the same capacities of reason, albeit some seem slower than others, but still they have the same capacities."

Two people with normal thinking capacity sit next to eachother , one sees an image of Van Gough , you may sees it as a picture of Van Gough , I may see it as a picture of a schizophrenic ( although there is nothing saying he is)

Do you not believe in abstractiveness or do you refer that as to obscurity ?


If I bring the western concept of mind / body into eastern concept of tradition , whats wrong with that ? I'm Eastern & Western , I should be allowed a concept to understand East & West .

Some people say soul some people say consciousness but nobody has proved either ,only defined what is traditional knowledge in regards to those cultures/memes , so I should be allowed a concept which may help me understand the two as one deals with cognitive response , processes while the other deals with mystical energies and such phenomena.

You proved me wrong , A merit of public congratulatory round of applause for ridiculing my error rather than asking if that is what I actually meant .

I'm only 19 so why do make philosophy sound like a tool to scare people from it by ridiculing them ?

 

[Norea]

Quick question :
When George Bush says 'Americas freedom' ,do you actually believe that this is the reality of the Americans that they live in free country ?

Yes we live in a free country because freedom cannot be given, it is a consequence of human free-will/choice.

Do you believe in Objectivistic moralists ?

If you mean rational morality and ethical egoism then yes. But if you're playing the clap-trap of Xianity has objective morality then I will preface this by saying I follow morals that are apparent from action/consequence.

Do you believe what you see on reality TV , actually reality ?

Yes, because it's in the real world. If it's scripted it's still real because anything unreal cannot be observed, it can only be hypothesized. Even Animation is real because it's made of material things[ink, cellophane panels and etc]. Your definition of reality is ambigious where I place mine on the Western definition of Nature, which is all that existed, exists, and will exist[although we rarely know what it is]. I think that's where you and I have different perspectives. I'm a supporter of objective epistomologies.

Do you appreciate Art ?

Is a means of expression. Romanticism is one of the greater forms of this. To extoll the virtues of humankind and to give us a timeless perspective of what the artist feels/thinks is important.

No reason behind the questions ..

" there isn't anything known as special knowledge. All humans have the same capacities of reason, albeit some seem slower than others, but still they have the same capacities."

Two people with normal thinking capacity sit next to eachother , one sees an image of Van Gough , you may sees it as a picture of Van Gough , I may see it as a picture of a schizophrenic ( although there is nothing saying he is)

Nope, that's not special knowledge. You assume a schizophrenic rather than going to the basic formation that is the picture. It represents a person, or a flower or whatever that particular Van Gogh painting is of. You make assumptions. I don't that's the difference between actual knowledge and presuppositional knowledge.

Do you not believe in abstractiveness or do you refer that as to obscurity ?

Abstractions are hypothetical constructs. They don't yield new knowledge and that diverge inquiries from proper examination.

If I bring the western concept of mind / body into eastern concept of tradition , whats wrong with that ? I'm Eastern & Western , I should be allowed a concept to understand East & West .

Both are contextually seperate and have different premises. That's why Western mind/body and Eastern mind/body can never been used in parallel in an argument unless you've found some philosopher that has bridged this historical gap between West and East.

Some people say soul some people say consciousness but nobody has proved either ,only defined what is traditional knowledge in regards to those cultures/memes , so I should be allowed a concept which may help me understand the two as one deals with cognitive response , processes while the other deals with mystical energies and such phenomena.

There isn't mystical energies or such phenomena thus your memetic formations are irrational.

You proved me wrong , A merit of public congratulatory round of applause for ridiculing my error rather than asking if that is what I actually meant .

I'm only 19 so why do make philosophy sound like a tool to scare people from it by ridiculing them ?

I don't ridicule, I'm just trying to force out the real issue of the debate. When someone tries to pretend to be my 'friend' and then essentially ignore the basis of my argument then I feel obliged to get that person to say what they really meant rather than hide behind a few strawmen. It's called being grumpy.

-- Bridget

 

[amonk]

Thanks for the response .
Anyway I do not wish to have discussion not just based on logical reason but understanding no matter how objective /subject a person is , so I will now much as possible be more friendlier to how I present myself , I sacrificed my blessings to another and changed my attitude [ hence the long awaited responses ] , I will not raise points/arguments to what I think is wrong but discuss the idea of how one sees it openly as possible so please if you can understand me , then I hope for the same back.

When I saw the picture of Van Gough , I found he was a schizophrenic ,so for some it may not have been true because nothing is evident of a schizophrenic but I relized I had found new ideas emerging from my abstractiveness ,this was my imagination , something which Im glad to have which some others don't .

After relizing I tried to think of an explanation to why I came about this idea ,
I then recognized he had a left ear missing , why would one cut there left ear ?
For a left minded person to hear things twice , one from conscience the other from what he hears speaking to him , then he was saving himself from insanity by mutilating himself ,this is my abstract impression .

I'm not going to say if this is true or not but I appreciate ability to see things from just 'as is' for this stimulates my subjective personality .

So for when I say to lady about how I feel about them then through my abstractiveness I am able to smith subjective words to my emotions as meaningful as possible .
Love has no real[objective] meaning for ones personal intimate relationship with another , it is something one tries to describe best as possible from there feelings[subjective] so we tend to exxagerate how we really feel for them because they deserve 110% .

There is no point to feel romanced when one objectively plans a 'romantic' night by contextualizing the other genders ' typical likings' it is an expression entirely based on ones personal subjetive feelings ,only if there is true love then both feel romanced and 'connected' [this is magical] , it maybe my own opinion but as to anyone else who feels not getting "undivided intimacy" then chances are there idea of love is lacking for meaning is only met just in bed .

On reality TV , I see the people lack reality but yet that is again 'my opinion' for I would not be a person who would show my **** to the whole world knowingly , neither as all other people in the world as there is personal feeling involved to ones dignity to how one expresses themself .

Dignity is real when someone disagrees to something , Dignity may also be good[right,moral,good] or bad [wrong,immoral,bad] but that requires evidence to prove one another , we distinguish dignity through our own values from what we have gathered over generations to follow , for if one loves the other while causing physical harm then to some this may be dignifying [moral], though confliction can prove this wrong[immoral] when harm is done back to them when they plee for mercy , even religion gives us those values .

 

[Norea]

When I saw the picture of Van Gough , I found he was a schizophrenic ,so for some it may not have been true because nothing is evident of a schizophrenic but I relized I had found new ideas emerging from my abstractiveness ,this was my imagination , something which Im glad to have which some others don't .

After relizing I tried to think of an explanation to why I came about this idea ,
I then recognized he had a left ear missing , why would one cut there left ear ?
For a left minded person to hear things twice , one from conscience the other from what he hears speaking to him , then he was saving himself from insanity by mutilating himself ,this is my abstract impression .

No, according to records he did it because he wanted to give the ear to a prostitute that he fell in love with. She was obviously repulsed by the offer.

So for when I say to lady about how I feel about them then through my abstractiveness I am able to smith subjective words to my emotions as meaningful as possible .
Love has no real[objective] meaning for ones personal intimate relationship with another , it is something one tries to describe best as possible from there feelings[subjective] so we tend to exxagerate how we really feel for them because they deserve 110% .

Feelings are based on real responses in the brain. Love has a physical meaning to the person and to the other person[either positively or negatively]. Emotions and etc are not based on ether but on brain matter. And as such, they have a physicality. They're objective.

On reality TV , I see the people lack reality but yet that is again 'my opinion' for I would not be a person who would show my **** to the whole world knowingly , neither as all other people in the world as there is personal feeling involved to ones dignity to how one expresses themself .

Sure, but it's still reality, just a really bad showing of reality. Like Trump's hair, it's real but he had to get it surgerically attached.

Dignity is real when someone disagrees to something , Dignity may also be good[right,moral,good] or bad [wrong,immoral,bad] but that requires evidence to prove one another , we distinguish dignity through our own values from what we have gathered over generations to follow , for if one loves the other while causing physical harm then to some this may be dignifying [moral], though confliction can prove this wrong[immoral] when harm is done back to them when they plee for mercy , even religion gives us those values .

Not really, dignity in this case isn't always about looking good to others but looking good to yourself. If you feel great about yourself, you count yourself as dignified. This isn't to say there aren't some outwardly expressions of this but that it starts from your own cognitions and work out into actions of self-assuredness and so on.

-- Bridget

 

[amonk]

Subjetive Imagination not objective explanation '?'
You did not appreciate my thought on Van Gough , you only used that for your objective investigation to outsmart me , I'm not trying to be smart I was being 'imaginative' ,now if you in anyway had any you would appreciate my thought but it appears you don't , if you had kids and saw a scribble on there scrapbook , what are you going to think " that is rubbish !! ,draw me something when you learn how to draw something more realistic ? "

Dignity .
You don't need to think about dignity if you live alone in the world , it doesn't exist without coexistence because in a world where others surrounding me I can't touch in public without getting arrested (and wouldn't feel comfortable with either) this is evident of indignaty , where if I were alone then I can touch freely where ever I like ( something I'm more comfortable being myself with),there is no need to restraining personal dignity if one is alone in the world .

 

[Norea]

Subjetive Imagination not objective explanation '?'
You did not appreciate my thought on Van Gough , you only used that for your objective investigation to outsmart me , I'm not trying to be smart I was being 'imaginative' ,now if you in anyway had any you would appreciate my thought but it appears you don't , if you had kids and saw a scribble on there scrapbook , what are you going to think " that is rubbish !! ,draw me something when you learn how to draw something more realistic ? "

Imagination isn't subjective since it's the basis of one being able to form concepts. It's our mental lab to test concepts against our values and what we see in the world.

Dignity .
You don't need to think about dignity if you live alone in the world , it doesn't exist without coexistence because in a world where others surrounding me I can't touch in public without getting arrested (and wouldn't feel comfortable with either) this is evident of indignaty , where if I were alone then I can touch freely where ever I like ( something I'm more comfortable being myself with),there is no need to restraining personal dignity if one is alone in the world .

Dignity for me isn't nearly that simple. Since all actions start with your thoughts on the issue. Besides that most of such actions we think that deal with 'dignity' are more a social proof situation. Social proof is when you look to others on how to act. If you rarely look to others your actions will exhibit individuation.

-- Bridget

 

[amonk]

I read this on a philosophy reference site ,

"subjectivism holds that knowledge is generated from the mind, without reference to reality. It holds that gaining knowledge about the world is done through introspection."

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I think what you described subjectivism to be as your own relativistic view , as I still have a childs imagination I haven't quite got the tools yet turned it into a lab ,so for me that is still subjective since I build concepts without knowledge where you have concepts based on knowledge & reason[hence you said imagination not subjective ] .

Anyway dignity is simple ,don't involve with yourself with people who you know are just going to make fools of themselves but rather have sensible friends who know and respect you without having to explain ,Im more an 'observer' & 'alchemist' type personality .

I'm getting a feeling that you don't like 'conformity , what kind of friends do you have ? I'm imagining you have friends such like yourself also who are smart women , btw are you in anyway support the feminist movement by any chance ?