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What makes Christianity special?

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PsychoSarah

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Hmmm . . . you have a point there, I'd wasn't remembering that legend.

Now what you are saying about all the various ideas of Christianity being found in other religions is interesting, and possibly completely true, but . . . there is the little question about validity.

Did God actually become incarnate in the Jesus we know from the gospels? If He did, that makes Christianity special apart from other religions even if the ideas in Christianity are found elsewhere.

Nope, it isn't special, the gods of other religions have begot themselves, as well as having human forms. Odin liked to wander as a human on earth, he was the top Norse god. Hindu gods, who could also die, would in many legends be reincarnated as humans (as well as other animals). The Greek goddess Athena, one of the few of which was celibate, had immaculate conceptions of sorts (not of herself of course). You see, very little of the key parts of the bible are truly unique. Walking on water, being born of a virgin, being resurrected after a specific amount of time, healing people and performing miracles, suffering for humanity, all these things are seen in multiple religions prior to Christianity. Heck, the flood story is so plagerized it still fits the religion it was stolen from better than it does in the bible.
 
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Now remind me how much the Christian god can relate to human suffering.

The Christian God lived as a wandering peasant for years before he was arrested, subject to a sham trial, scourged nearly to death (most people wouldn't even survive 30+ lashes from a Roman scourging), then finally crucified.

If you haven't read about the physiological effects of crucifixion, you should. Perhaps you wouldn't be so hasty to talk about a lack of suffering. Slow suffocation, and every attempt to try to get more air results in tremendous pain. The Gospel accounts, combined with modern knowledge of physiology, seem to suggest his heart was under so much stress it literally burst. (to top if off, just remember the people that did this thought they were the most enlightened, progressive civilization that ever existed).

As far as norse gods go... you should read more Lewis or Tolkein for a sympathetic view of paganism. Being a Christian doesn't mean one has to be hostile to other religious beliefs. We can see them as shadows or types for Christ.
 
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The Christian God lived as a wandering peasant for years before he was arrested, subject to a sham trial, scourged nearly to death (most people wouldn't even survive 30+ lashes from a Roman scourging), then finally crucified.

If you haven't read about the physiological effects of crucifixion, you should. Perhaps you wouldn't be so hasty to talk about a lack of suffering. Slow suffocation, and every attempt to try to get more air results in tremendous pain.

As far as norse gods go... you should read more Lewis or Tolkein for a sympathetic view of paganism. Being a Christian doesn't mean one has to be hostile to other religious beliefs. We can see them as shadows or types for Christ.

I am showing how the temporary suffering of god in a human form is neither special nor impressive compared to the gods of other religions. By the legends, a Hindu god whose name I unfortunately can't recall right now, existed knowing it will be reincarnated as a little ant, sadly walking around remembering all the power it used to have and lamenting on its powerlessness and how it wasted its power when it had it. All Norse gods die violent and painful deaths, Horus has to fight a giant snake every day in order for the sun to rise, being eaten and causing a solar eclipse when he fails, only to be reborn again later, Kronos (yes, I know, not a good guy but he still suffers horrifically) exists in a state of constant pain in the Greek version of hell, chopped up into little pieces without the mercy of death forever. The Christian god could have suffered for a century, it still wouldn't be especially bad compared to other deities.

Shadows of Christ? More like Christ is the shadow, many of those individuals who were walking on water, healing people, etc. existed hundreds of years before Christianity did.
 
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I am showing how the temporary suffering of god in a human form is neither special nor impressive compared to the gods of other religions. By the legends, a Hindu god whose name I unfortunately can't recall right now

Jesus is a real historical figure, though... the Hindu gods are not. That's the whole point of the Christian belief and why it is impressive: God enters into our history. The Hindu gods mostly operate on the level of myth, encountered in meditation and ecstasies. Christianity and Judaism have a unique view of history that most other world religions do not share. In Judeo-Christian thought, there is a sense of progress or motion towards an eschatological fulfillment and being directed by a personal being, giving history a unique emphasis that is lacking in a religion that emphasizes an impersonal force like karma.
 
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Jesus is a real historical figure, though... the Hindu gods are not. That's the whole point of the Christian belief and why it is impressive: God enters into our history. The Hindu gods mostly operate on the level of myth, encountered in meditation and ecstasies. Christianity and Judaism have a unique view of history that most other world religions do not share. In Judeo-Christian thought, there is a sense of progress or motion towards an eschatological fulfillment and being directed by a personal being, giving history a unique emphasis that is lacking in a religion that emphasizes an impersonal force like karma.

Jesus isn't provably a god, and many people were crucified.
 
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If Christianity is the one true religion of the one true God, and the perfect philosophy by which to lead one's life; then it should certainly contain a uniqueness that could not be found in other religions or a secular view of the universe.

Can anyone name one moral precept, ethical statement, principle, or value that is not present in any other religion or secular worldview?

Is there anything that Christians do that non-Christians do not do that makes them a more moral individual?

Even more specifically, is Jesus credited with creating any moral precept that was not already thought to be important for humanity?

What makes christianity special?

The subjectivity of perspective.
 
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God offers a free gift to us through his Grace. That gift is salvation. Salvation is found in Christ and his sacrifice on the cross for our sins and His resurrection 3 days later. He showed perfect obedience as a man just like us to do Gods will which was pleasing and acceptable to God. By this he rose again from death and defeated the power of death and sin. The wages of sin is death but believing in Jesus leads to life.

Jesus was the promised messiah who would come and the ultimate sacrifice that atoned us for sin and made us righteous before God. We are no longer slaves to sin where we are forever trying to keep the laws and failing on our own merit. We are not saved by good deeds but by the free gift from God which is forgiveness for our sins through Jesus Christ.

By accepting Gods free gift of grace through Jesus Christ we are made a new person in God. We defeat our fleshly natures. Because we on our own with our sinful nature dont have the power. But by believing what Christ has said and accepting this we will live with the spirit of God in our hearts and minds guiding and empowering us. So it is no longer us that do this but the free gift from God which transforms us. And the only thing we have to do is believe this and accept it.

Romans 6: 6 - 14
6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with,[a] that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.
8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13 Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. 14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

If you continue to read Romans 6 it tells you about being a slave to righteousness. You are either a slave to sin or a slave to obedience to God through Jesus Christ.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! 16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
Romans 6 - Dead to Sin, Alive in Christ - What - Bible Gateway
 
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Nope, it isn't special, the gods of other religions have begot themselves, as well as having human forms. Odin liked to wander as a human on earth, he was the top Norse god. Hindu gods, who could also die, would in many legends be reincarnated as humans (as well as other animals). The Greek goddess Athena, one of the few of which was celibate, had immaculate conceptions of sorts (not of herself of course). You see, very little of the key parts of the bible are truly unique. Walking on water, being born of a virgin, being resurrected after a specific amount of time, healing people and performing miracles, suffering for humanity, all these things are seen in multiple religions prior to Christianity. Heck, the flood story is so plagerized it still fits the religion it was stolen from better than it does in the bible.

Well, you are missing my point. You are equating the stories based on their similar forms and contents as stories, but not on whether one or the other of them happens to be true.

I mean, sure, there are lots of stories . . . but what if God actually became incarnate one time? That particular story would be different, in that respect, from the others.
 
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I would not bring up incarceration rates as proof or disproof of a religion's claims, at least not in the US. The US is notorious for having an unjust penal system- we have 1/4 the worlds prisoners, more than Russia even.

My guess is that there are a lot of Christians in jail because they get in jail and reality starts to hit them and they want to turn their life around. There are many, many prison ministries that try to help prisoners. Christianity in this context is primarily a message about hope and love- in some cases this is the first time anybody has sincerely told them they were valuable or loved.
I dont understand this in saying that Christians go to jail. If a person is committing crime like robbing banks, raping women or doing and selling drugs how are they a Christian. I thought a Christian is being Christ like hence Christ-ian. Thats like saying the insane inmate at the mental institution is the mental health psychiatrist who is in charge of the place. Doesn't make sense to me.

The other thing is countries like America and other western countries such as Britain and Australia will have a history of religions influence. So the founding fathers may have been Catholics or another religion which is classed as christian. The majority of the country was brought up this way and in the last few decades people are only identifying with religion because of birth and not actual practice. So it will make sense that these countries have more Christians because of their history. But in reality they have moved away from practicing their religion in the last 30 or 40 years or so. So they will be label a christian but are no more one than a non religious person in how they live their lives.

I was born a catholic and its on my birth certificate. I would always put this on surveys and censuses when I was asked. But for many years I was not practicing this religion or even being a christian. Does that make me a true christian or just one by inheritance or name.
 
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Well, you are missing my point. You are equating the stories based on their similar forms and contents as stories, but not on whether one or the other of them happens to be true.

I mean, sure, there are lots of stories . . . but what if God actually became incarnate one time? That particular story would be different, in that respect, from the others.

Except nothing, not one thing, proves that any if the truly miraculous things in the bible actually happened. And technically, you can't prove miracles in the other religions didn't happen without admitting that all miracles are false. The bible isn't more likely to be right than any other text, making it not special.
 
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Jesus isn't provably a god, and many people were crucified.

Proof with mathematical certainty? I think very few things in this life that we take for granted measure up to that.

Your dismissal of Jesus crucifixion is indicative of a hardness of heart typical of a certain kind of atheist. Jesus crucifixion is important precisely because many people were crucified as well, it was a common form of execution in the ancient world. The significance of Jesus death is not found in a unique manner of dying but the gratuitous nature of the divine response in Jesus' life; Jesus lived a life that was perfectly in accord with God's will and revealing God's nature to us.
 
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Jesus is a real historical figure, though... the Hindu gods are not. That's the whole point of the Christian belief and why it is impressive: God enters into our history. The Hindu gods mostly operate on the level of myth, encountered in meditation and ecstasies. Christianity and Judaism have a unique view of history that most other world religions do not share. In Judeo-Christian thought, there is a sense of progress or motion towards an eschatological fulfillment and being directed by a personal being, giving history a unique emphasis that is lacking in a religion that emphasizes an impersonal force like karma.

Sure, Jesus was likely a real person, but that by know means supports whether he was God.

In fact, in Matthew, Mark and Luke, the earliest gospels written, Jesus says nothing about being the son of God. It is only in John, written 60-70 years after Jesus died and considered the least credible gospel by many scholars and historians, does Jesus mention being the son of God.

Why would Matthew, Mark and Luke miss such an important point about Jesus?
 
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If Christianity is the one true religion of the one true God, and the perfect philosophy by which to lead one's life; then it should certainly contain a uniqueness that could not be found in other religions or a secular view of the universe.

Can anyone name one moral precept, ethical statement, principle, or value that is not present in any other religion or secular worldview?

Is there anything that Christians do that non-Christians do not do that makes them a more moral individual?

Even more specifically, is Jesus credited with creating any moral precept that was not already thought to be important for humanity?

Jesus Christ is what makes Christianity unique. :groupray:
 
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Jesus Christ is what makes Christianity unique. :groupray:

What Christians claim Jesus to be does make it unique, I agree. But, every religion has something about it that makes it unique compared to other religions, otherwise, we wouldn't have different religions.

Being unique though does not equal - true.
 
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