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Stevevw said:Umm we could go on with all these new verses you keep introducing. We will end up going through the whole bible the rate where going. This is humans speaking to each other not God. They are discussing something between themselves. God is not asking for a show here, it is all about a difference between them about sacrifice ect. This is going to happen with people.
You say Yahweh doesn't act like a magician, doing tricks when we ask him... then I show you a place in the bible where he does just that. It's not that hard.
I have sexual thoughts like anyone its a natural thing. Its what you do with those thoughts that is important to a christian. If a sexual though comes to me as a christian i will try not to allow those thoughts to take root (pardon the pun). It is holding onto them and then feeding them and turning it into a lustful thought that will take it to another level. It is feeding those thoughts so that you will want to act on them.
But when you are trusting in God and the spirit of God lives in your heart and mind you can easliy fight off the temptation of lust. Like i said the two dont go together. So I am filled with a love of people and want to help others. I see their suffering and I see what the things of the flesh can do and what effects they can have on others. So i am wanting to fight this and help others to find that same thing of love and beauty in their lives.
Since I have become a christian I can say that things like lust and greed and selfish desires and lack of control in my life are gone. I have become a new person in Jesus and am filled with new thoughts of love and wanting to help others. It is not a denial but as I know what I was like as a non Christian and i was out there doing all the same things. I have been married , I have two beautiful kids and I have had girlfriends along the way. At the moment I have no one and I am happy with that. I dont have a strong need to go and get laid and I am happy to save myself for the right person if and when I choose to settle down with someone.
You become sexually aroused by women you find appealing, just like every other male.
"but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
You commit lots of adultery for someone who is not governed by "the flesh".
I dont know, I thought you were the scholar. Didn't you say you have done a uni course in this or have a degree in bible study. I have to look each one up especially the old testament. Its a big book the bible and a person wont know every single thing in detail. I am also studying for a diploma in community services at the moment so I have to dedicate time to that as well. I enjoy the banter but dont want to do a small degree in bible studies otherwise I would have chosen to do that. But I will have a look and get back when i can.
El Shaddai means "El of the Mountain". It makes perfect sense when your realize that according to Canaanite religion, El lived on top of a mountain.
Well then whats the problem. The writer is saying that EL and Yahweh are the same God. You were saying they were different Gods. God revealed himself throughout time through different names. Some emphasized certain qualities and strengths he had. But it was all the same God.
Nope. You're quoting from contradictionsinthebible.com .... I don't think you were astute enough to realize what he is saying. From the same site you referenced:
"Deuteronomy 32:8-9 is one of those rare biblical passages that seemingly preserves a vestige of an earlier period in proto-Israelite religion where El and Yahweh were still depicted as separate deities: Yahweh was merely one of the gods of El’s council! This tradition undeniably comes from older Canaanite lore."
So as we see, you will even cite references that go against what you believe, thinking the whole time that they agree with you. You're just surfing the web for support, not actually trying to figure out what the truth is.
But then neither have you. You have given your view and the way you interperet things but I can show another 1 or 2 ways the same thing is also interpreted by others. Some of your interpretations like the one with Christ and the sword is totally wrong and can easily be proven so. You seem to either take a literal understanding or twist it to something that you have already decided within yourself that is your own personal beliefs.
I can find interpretations of many things which are ridiculously flawed... thus far I've shown why your interpretations fit the bill.
Like I said before there were different people writing each gospel. Most line up. Johns gospel has focused on a different aspect of things to begin with and is not the same as the other ones in a number of ways. He seems to be focusing on the spiritual meanings. So he may have mentioned certain things that others didn't focus on. But even if we say that he may have misheard something and put it in does that really mean that everything that is written is wrong. They all agree on the fact that Christ was the son of God, crucified on that day. They agree he died and rose from the dead 3 days later. This is the important thing.
If several people come and give account of an event and one gets some of the detail wrong does that mean it didn't happen when everyone is saying it did.You are focusing on the small difference when there is massive similarities. You are throwing it all out because of the small difference but not accepting any of it when it does line up. So you are being harsh with the credible parts that support each other by not giving any credit for lining up with each other. Then putting a big magnification on any small difference so that it out weights the larger consistent verses. Like i say your judgement is that its all guilty before going on trial. You have already decided its wrong.
Well, at least you've come to the point where you accept the gospels get some stuff wrong.
Well that is something that we will have to agree to disagree. If you think that you can say that because of your personal experience tells you you are right is going to convince someone that their personal experience is wrong then that is not going to happen. For everything you say i can say the same. I have also spoken in front of people and come from a place where i was saved from death. So my experience is from real life and it has changed me for the better when nothing else worked. How is that wrong and why would i want it any other way and not continue on the same when it has been so good so far. I would be crazy to let go of God and go back into that life of hell.
There are other options besides living a bankrupt, dangerous life and believing in a Canaanite god of the mountain.
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