What is your view on getting in to Heaven?

[Lokisdottir]

NO!
No no no no no no no!

By FAITH. Jesus IS our righteousness. Grace + works is no longer grace. No inbetween, no 10%, no mixture. GRACE, not works.

Then why does the Bible have laws at all?

Why didn't Jesus just say, "Hey guys, forget about all those laws Dad gave you in the OT. You won't need 'em. All you need to get into heaven is to worship me"?

Why bother preaching about sin at all? It doesn't apply to Christians (who are saved regardless), and it won't do a lick of help for non-Christians (who are going to hell regardless).

 

[John812]

I have not been able to find ANY reference to a heaven of Eternal Bliss in the Hebrew Bible. I find heavens of eternal bliss in pagan religions only before the Christian bible starts promising the existence of one. The Christian bible must not contradict the Torah as the Torah is what gives the Christian Messiah his authority.

God gives Jesus authority, not the Torah, even though the Torah speaks of Jesus and that He will receive authority from God.

 

[peepnklown]

God gives Jesus authority, not the Torah, even though the Torah speaks of Jesus and that He will receive authority from God.

Provide one scripture in the Torah that speaks of “Jesus” directly.

 

[holo]

What Proof do you have for that? It directly contradicts the Torah and the writings of James.

I'm not into the whole "back-up-everything-you-say-with-the-bible" game. I could probably dig up some quotes by Paul. I believe Jesus is my righteousness, simply put.

Then why does the Bible have laws at all?

Why didn't Jesus just say, "Hey guys, forget about all those laws Dad gave you in the OT. You won't need 'em. All you need to get into heaven is to worship me"?

Why bother preaching about sin at all? It doesn't apply to Christians (who are saved regardless), and it won't do a lick of help for non-Christians (who are going to hell regardless).

Not worship, believe.
Jesus did say something like that, though, but that God, unlike us, looks more for love than morality.

I agree 100% with your last sentence. I don't know why christians are talking about their own or other people's sin when they say they believe it has been paid for (and that this grace is accepta

 

[DrFate]

Holo, what do you mean by believe?
Holo, what do you mean by worship?

It seems to me that you might want to know if what is being presented to you as a "Truth of God" is really a truth from God or just something some people invented.

 

[holo]

Holo, what do you mean by believe?
Holo, what do you mean by worship?

It seems to me that you might want to know if what is being presented to you as a "Truth of God" is really a truth from God or just something some people invented.

I don't like to define words too much. They're inadequate at best anyway. I don't put any complex or fancy meaning into them.

Not sure what you're getting at with that last sentence.

 

[DrFate]

Ditto John 3:16-18

It is good to read the entire chapter to understand the meaning.

 

[ffman]

My view on getting into heaven involves two 'criteria':

1. You accept Christ as your Savior (also meaning you love Christ, and believe in him).
2. You show love to others around you, trying to do good in the world.


For more explanation in #2, read John 3:20.

 

[ezing]

What does that have to do with Heaven or the OP?
Heaven meaning the sky according to the greek translation by axigoth. So you bet to heaven when you fly Jet Blue.

 

[ezing]

And I thought I was negative. Woo Wooo woo!

You have not heard me be negative. You would not like me when I am negative.