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What is YOUR sexual orientation?

What is your sexual orientation?

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HaloHope

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Dear Halohope,
You may think it is unreasonable but I dont and it disproves the point you made has much credibilty for the argument.

Paedophilia = not mentioned in the Bible
Homosexuality = not mentioned in the Bible

Going by that logic you could claim that using the internet is a sin as it's not mentioned in the Bible. It has nothing to do with homosexuality of course, but then again neither does peadophilia have anything to do with homosexuality.
 
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Society has come to associate sex as an integral part of love, it isnt, Jesus said that the greatest love is when someone lays down their life for another, which is what He has done for us.
'God is love' not 'love is god'


I totally agree with you on this point. I don't see sex as being an "integral" part of my relationship. I see love as being so.
 
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brightmorningstar

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Dear Halohope,
Going by that logic you could claim that using the internet is a sin as it's not mentioned in the Bible.
No I am not claiming anything by what isnt mentioned in the Bible, you are. I am claiming same-sex sex is a sin becuase it is mentioned in the Bible.

It has nothing to do with homosexuality of course, but then again neither does peadophilia have anything to do with homosexuality.
Neither does internet unless one is looking at homosexual practice or paedophilia.
I totally agree with you on this point. I don't see sex as being an "integral" part of my relationship. I see love as being so.
ok so homosexuals dont have to have sex to love someone?
 
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Dear Halohope,
No I am not claiming anything by what isnt mentioned in the Bible, you are. I am claiming same-sex sex is a sin becuase it is mentioned in the Bible.

I don't believe it is mentioned as a sin in the bible in the context of a monogamous relationship.

Neither does internet unless one is looking at homosexual practice or paedophilia.

That was my point

ok so homosexuals dont have to have sex to love someone?

Erm.. of course not. A loving relationship may include sex, but it certainly (in my opinion) isn't a requirement of love. It isn't for all hetrosexuals, why would it be different for homosexuals?
 
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brightmorningstar

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Dear Halohope,

I don't believe it is mentioned as a sin in the bible in the context of a monogamous relationship.
I don’t believe monogamous relationships is mentioned in the Bible apart from man/woman. Where from scripture did you get the association of monogamous from?

You were claiming something by what isnt mentioned in the Bible, you seem now to have wandered onto other arguments.


Neither does internet unless one is looking at homosexual practice or paedophilia.

That was my point
What point? Are you saying looking at homosexual practice and paedophilia is ok because the Bible mentions none of them? You are not being objective, you are using different arguments for different things according to how it might support homosexual practice.


Erm.. of course not.
Ah that’s ok then so homosexuals can chose between following God’s purposes as a Christian, as many Christians who have same-sex desires do, or having sex.
 
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I don't believe it is mentioned as a sin in the bible in the context of a monogamous relationship.



That was my point



Erm.. of course not. A loving relationship may include sex, but it certainly (in my opinion) isn't a requirement of love. It isn't for all hetrosexuals, why would it be different for homosexuals?
Excellent post, rep points to you.
 
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What point? Are you saying looking at homosexual practice and paedophilia is ok because the Bible mentions none of them? You are not being objective, you are using different arguments for different things according to how it might support homosexual practice.


Your missing my point here. My original point was I simply do not believe that the scriptures used to condemn homosexuality actually do. Thats what I meant by my "Thou shalt not be homosexual" quote. And going by logic, common sense and my own interpretation of scipture I believe that a monogamous homosexual relationship is exactly the same as a monogamous hetrosexual one. Correct in Gods eyes.

You may not agree with my opinion here, but I do not take a literal interpretation of the Bible.

Ah that’s ok then so homosexuals can chose between following God’s purposes as a Christian, as many Christians who have same-sex desires do, or having sex.

If they believe that way sure. Also many homosexuals can choose to follow Gods purpose as a Christian while enjoying fulfilling loving relationships with members of the same sex too. In a union blessed by God.
 
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Dear Halohope,

Originally Posted by brightmorningstar

What point? Are you saying looking at homosexual practice and paedophilia is ok because the Bible mentions none of them? You are not being objective, you are using different arguments for different things according to how it might support homosexual practice.

Your missing my point here. My original point was I simply do not believe that the scriptures used to condemn homosexuality actually do.
Oh please. I am saying you are not addressing my criticism of your point about absence of a word in scripture. Just to say the Bible doesn’t mention homosexual means nothing on its own, when you wouldn’t countenance some other things that aren’t mentioned.

Now I also see that if God made woman for man for this purpose that a man shall leave his father and mother and be united wit his wife and the two shall become one flesh that obviously means a man wasn’t made for a man and cant be united as one flesh. Genesis 2, Matt 19, Mark 10, Ephesians 5, 1 Corinthians 6, Hebrews 13.
Also the church teaches that any sex outside marriage is not God’s purpose because Jesus teaches faithful union or celibacy, and the breaking of the marriage is porneia (fornication) ,
So in my view you don’t just disbelieve the 7 passages that condemn same-sex sex, but the 6 that exclude it as well.
As to the passages that condemn same-sex sex, I am convinced they do. But I least I have some passages, you have nothing that I could even disbelieve if I wanted.

a monogamous homosexual relationship is exactly the same as a monogamous hetrosexual one. Correct in Gods eyes.
Not according to the Bible, where does it say anything about monogamous homosexual relationships?


You may not agree with my opinion here, but I do not take a literal interpretation of the Bible.
rather you literally have no Bible scripture to interpret.


If they believe that way sure.
well believing that way makes them believers, otherwise they are disbelievers.

Also many homosexuals can choose to follow Gods purpose as a Christian while enjoying fulfilling loving relationships with members of the same sex too.
In a union blessed by God.
God detests such a union Gen 19, Lev 18 & 20, Judges 19, 1 Corinthians 6, 1 Tim 1, Romans 1, 2 Peter 2, Jude 1 unles thye are unbelievers and not following God’s purpose. Also many heterosexual can choose to follow God whilst enjoying a loving adulterous relationship, or can they?


Sorry Halohope, but your ideas are your ideas, you have no scriptural evidence.Many in the church you see find such denial and disbelief cant be seeking to follow Jesus.
 
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Jesus also says to love each other and I really dont think that your able to judge another's Christianity

Exactly, although sadly it's something I see here with increasing frequency.

I would never dream of accusing a Christian with differing opinions to my own of not being Christian personally.



To Brightmorningstar,
I am currently working and only have time for quick posts inbetween doing my job but I'm more than happy to bring out some srciptural references of my own when I have time.

As for the "Also the church teaches that any sex outside marriage is not God’s purpose" line. The denomination of the church I follow teaches that homosexual couples can make a commitment before God that is marriage, so for me this isn't really a problem. You may not believe homosexuals can get married, thats fine. I do though.
 
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ChaliceThunder

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Quoted for truth.

One of the things I myself can never understand that is often said by conversative Christians is the claim that homosexual relationships revolve around lust not love.

I myself am in a commited long term relationship with another woman and I most definately, certainly love her. My relationships core is nothing to do with sexual contact, it's to do with wanting to be with a very special woman, sharing day to day things with her like going for walks, eating out, watching TV on the couch after a long day. Just living my life with her. I fail to see why this is so difficult to grasp, as there are many, many homosexual relationships out there like this.

It's to do with love. Not lust. Love.

Beautiful.

Many happy years of blessing to the both of you!

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ChaliceThunder

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How can you justify homosexuality scripturaly then? That's besides what most christians both in the past and the present consider a sin. All I have seen is a manipulation by liberal theologens to justify more and more sins that have corrupted our churches.
She doesn't have to justify it at all.

God has blessed her with a wonderful partner. That is justification enough.
 
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brightmorningstar

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Dear OceanAngel and Halohope,
Well I am saying if one doesnt believe the scripture one is a non-believer, I cant see whats wrong with that logic. I havent suggested anyone isn't a Christian, both of you have however assumed that if you dont believe the scripture you are being implied as not Christian. Thats for you to judge, not me.
As for the "Also the church teaches that any sex outside marriage is not God’s purpose" line. The denomination of the church I follow teaches that homosexual couples can make a commitment before God that is marriage, so for me this isn't really a problem.
Ok well you stay with that church then, I would say thats false teaching.

You may not believe homosexuals can get married, thats fine. I do though.
I know you believe they can, I just dont think you can support that idea from God's word.
 
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What is your sexual orientation. Please vote in the poll and/or discuss. The poll is not a public poll to protect the privacy of the voters.

I'm a lot more interested in Spiritual Orientation. The right spiritual orientation takes care of the rest. :groupray:
 
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That's besides what most christians both in the past and the present consider a sin.
please show evidence to prove that the majority of Christians (ALL Christians, not only foundies) today consider homosexuality sinful.
 
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Dear OceanAngel and Halohope,
Well I am saying if one doesnt believe the scripture one is a non-believer, I cant see whats wrong with that logic. I havent suggested anyone isn't a Christian, both of you have however assumed that if you dont believe the scripture you are being implied as not Christian. Thats for you to judge, not me.
Ok well you stay with that church then, I would say thats false teaching.[/FONT]

I know you believe they can, I just dont think you can support that idea from God's word.
Get to know the facts about homosexuality. Love is not wrong.

http://www.opendoorcenter.com/myths_&_facts.htm

http://gaychurch.org/Gay_and_Christian_YES/gay_and_christian_yes.htm
 
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Dear OceanAngel and Halohope,
Well I am saying if one doesnt believe the scripture one is a non-believer, I cant see whats wrong with that logic. I havent suggested anyone isn't a Christian, both of you have however assumed that if you dont believe the scripture you are being implied as not Christian. Thats for you to judge, not me.
Ok well you stay with that church then, I would say thats false teaching.[/FONT]

I know you believe they can, I just dont think you can support that idea from God's word.
Sure you can. The greatest and all the commandments are summed up by "love". LOVE conquers all. Love in a monogamous relationship is not wrong between two consenting adults!
 
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I believe that a one-word answer to "What's your orientation?" needs to be the start of a conversation. It isn't really an answer in and of itself. Whatever that answer, the next question is "What does that mean to you?" or "How does that play out in your life."

I once tried to come up with a dichotomous chart for determining sexuality. I came up with something like eleven different questions, and "do you prefer men or women?" was not the first or primary question. Let's see if I can remember it:

1. Do you feel sexual attraction/arousal?
Yes: keep going.
No: stop here, or keep going as you deem appropriate. You are asexual in some way.
2. Do you feel romantic attraction?
Yes: keep going. If no to 1 and yes to 2, you are a....romance-feeling asexual? I'm not all that familiar with asexuality, but some people who identify as asexual do feel romantic attractions.
No: You might want to stop here. If no to both 1 and 2, you are probably completely asexual.

(Unless I've left something out, if you've gotten this far, that probably means that you feel sexual and romantic attraction)

3. Is sex/gender the primary factor in determining if you are attracted to a person?
Yes: still normal, keep going.
No: What is?
3b. If you are attracted to people based on the fact that they are children, without regard for sex or gender, your orientation is pedophilia.
3c. If your attraction to a person is wholly dependent on something fetishistic--meaning, if the fetish is not present, you are not attracted, period, and if it is, you might be; with other factors (such as gender or body type) having lesser degrees of importance--then this fetish is your orientation.

3d. If sex/gender is not a factor in determining if you are attracted to a person, but there is also no fetish or other notable trait that is replacing the usual role of sex/gender, then I would probably call you "pansexual."

(Unless I left something out [which is very likely by this point] if you haven't found yourself yet, you feel relatively "standard" sexual attractions, with the primary determining factor being the person's sex or gender)

For the follow questions, "significant degree" means whatever you want it to mean. If you find a feeling significant, it is. If you brush it off and never think about it, it isn't.

"sexual" attraction is defined as physical and subjective arousal--the desire to have a sexual experience with a person.

"romantic" attraction is defined as tender, "mushy," wanting to be with the person, hold them, kiss them sweetly...etc.

4a. Do you feel a significant degree of sexual attraction for members of the opposite sex?
4b. Do you feel a significant degree of romantic attraction for members of the opposite sex?

5a. Do you feel a significant degree of sexual attraction for members of the same sex?
5b. Do you feel a significant degree of romantic attraction for members of the same sex?


If yes to all 4 and 5 questions, but 3d does not apply to you, then you are a fairly "standard" bisexual.
If yes to 4a and 4b, and no to 5a and 5b, you are heterosexual.
If yes to 5a and 5b, and no to 4a and 4b, you are homosexual.
If some other combination of 4 and 5 questions, you fall outside of boxes and might be considered any of the above three orientations, depending on personal experiences, preferences, priorities and values. (Example: I answer yes to 5 a and b--I have both types of attraction for women. I also have some degree of sexual attraction to men, but absolutely no romantic attraction. Because the idea of romance-less sex is so thoroughly unappealing to me, I do not consider myself bisexual, despite the attraction. Somebody experiencing the same feelings, but having no objection to hedonistic quickies, might call herself bi.)

Quoted for truth.

One of the things I myself can never understand that is often said by conversative Christians is the claim that homosexual relationships revolve around lust not love.

I myself am in a commited long term relationship with another woman and I most definately, certainly love her. My relationships core is nothing to do with sexual contact, it's to do with wanting to be with a very special woman, sharing day to day things with her like going for walks, eating out, watching TV on the couch after a long day. Just living my life with her. I fail to see why this is so difficult to grasp, as there are many, many homosexual relationships out there like this.

It's to do with love. Not lust. Love.

:thumbsup::amen:
I have watched two women I have had crushes on get married, without feeling jealous for their husbands. I simply wanted them to be happy, and my extra feelings for them enhanced that. This, more than anything else, convinces me that what I feel for women is actuallyl love, and not just lust. If I was merely lusting, what reason would I have to share their joy, when it meant watching them be with somebody else?


edit: I should define what I even mean by "orientation."
I am treating attraction almost like a simple algorithm, in which some options are left open--upon meeting a person, you will experience a quick series of "questions" which determine whether you might find them attractive. For nearly everybody, there is one overpowering question that is so automatic that it really isn't felt or considered. For most people that question is "is this person the appropriate sex?" If not, then that's an automatic deal-killer. You never even consider them from a sexual perspective.

But, what I'm looking at here, is that that might not be the automatic inital question for some people. For some, it might be "Are they a dominant/submissive?" or "are they in the 'right' age bracket" and sex or gender is less important, if it is considered at all.
I am calling this initial question--the one that first determines whether or not another person will even be considered as a sexual possibility, the person's "orientiation."
 
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