What is YOUR sexual orientation?

[OceanAngel]

I never said HE would have had made love or been in love in man, all I stated was that for a man who preached love I dont believe he would have been prejudiced against anyone.

 

[PinkTulip]

I never said HE would have had made love or been in love in man, all I stated was that for a man who preached love I dont believe he would have been prejudiced against anyone.

I don't think so either. But again, if we are to walk like Christ we need to model his actions. Christ obeyed all OT laws on sexual morality.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

I can't see how it wouldn't be. I just don't understand how two Christians (in this case two men) living together in a committed loving way could be the horrible evil described in some bible translations.

I don't say this lightly at all - I've struggled with this since I entered puberty. I've always known what I was attracted to, but always felt condemned by two or three verses.

Trying to reconcile ones sexuality with some translations (or perhaps incomplete or out of context translations / teachings) is something any intellectually honest gay Christian has to do.

This forum serves a legitimate and helpful purpose.

Peace

Bless you as you work this through, bro.

Always know that there are many of us who are gay and faithfully partnered, who also serve the Lord and give thanks to him for the gift of relationship.

I pray this will be the case for you as well.

 

[OceanAngel]

So, if two people love each other they should get married.

 

[PinkTulip]

So, if two people love each other they should get married.

Christ defined marriage as between a man and a woman, so I disagree with this.

 

[davedjy]

Christ defined marriage as between a man and a woman, so I disagree with this.

Christ did not define what marriage isn't, and He never said that marriage is ONLY between a man and a woman.

Get to know the facts about homosexuality:

http://www.opendoorcenter.com/myths_&_facts.htm

Don't believe lies founded on FALSE traditions:

http://home.wanadoo.nl/inspiritus/The%20Mystery.htm

http://gaychurch.org/Gay_and_Christian_YES/gay_and_christian_yes.htm

 

[PinkTulip]

Christ did not define what marriage isn't, and He never said that marriage is ONLY between a man and a woman.

Get to know the facts about homosexuality:

http://www.opendoorcenter.com/myths_&_facts.htm

Don't believe lies founded on FALSE traditions:

http://home.wanadoo.nl/inspiritus/The%20Mystery.htm

http://gaychurch.org/Gay_and_Christian_YES/gay_and_christian_yes.htm

I guess Christ is a liar when he discusses marriage between a man and woman.

None of your links discuss marriage. Read Mt. 19:4-9 instead.

 

[hazeleyes80]

Heterosexual.

 

[davedjy]

I guess Christ is a liar when he discusses marriage between a man and woman.

None of your links discuss marriage. Read Mt. 19:4-9 instead.

The Bible was not written to general audiences, you need the context, and Christ never even mentioned homosexuality being wrong.

Slavery and polygamy were freely accepted in the Bible, read Exodus 21:10.

 

[serephim02]

So not mentioning merits it being ok? That just seems like a legal loophole to get away with things.

 

[HaloHope]

Dear Tulc,
We dont see focusing on adultery as dehumanising straights, so why do gays see focusing on buggery as dehumanising?
God did not mess up when He created anyone, He loves to delight in all He has created.

I assure you that if I were debating adultry I'd be more concerned about those hurt by the adultry than what actually happened in a bedroom.

Using the word "buggery" is extremely offensive in my honest opinion and really is de-humanising people to suit your own agenda. I find it amusing the way many male anti-gay people are fixated on anal-sex (which not all gay amle couples do) and tend to avoid even mentioning same-sex female acts based purely on the fact lesbians don't ick them out.

I agree with you though that God delights in all we created. He created me gay, and is fine with that.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Christ affiirmed God's purpose in creation was for man and woman in union. If God's purpose was woman for man, it means anything else with man isnt his purpose.

Jesus taught God created woman for man for this reason/purpose that a man shall leave his father and mother and be united with his wife.

This isnt complicated theology its common sense.

There are 5 NT passages which affirm this and cite Genesis 2. In Matthew 19 and Mark 10 we see Jesus calls fornication and adultery breaking this marriage and offers only celibacy as the alternative. We see in the Bible other forms of sex condemned including same-sex sex 9 times ( as previously cited)
Any objections in my view are baseless lies as far as Christianity is concerned.

 

[HaloHope]

This isnt complicated theology its common sense.

To me its common sense that an all loving God won't have a problem with a deep romantic love between a couple of the same sex.

There are 5 NT passages which affirm this and cite Genesis 2. In Matthew 19 and Mark 10 we see Jesus calls fornication and adultery breaking this marriage and offers only celibacy as the alternative. We see in the Bible other forms of sex condemned including same-sex sex 9 times ( as previously cited)

And there have been numerous posts and links posted in this and other threads which demonstrate not everyone agrees with the interpretations of these verses.

Any objections in my view are baseless lies as far as Christianity is concerned.

You may well see those on the opposite side of you as spouting baseless lies, and thats fine by me. I see those on your side as being responsible for driving many, many people away from the church who could have wonderful lives in Christ.

I myself was driven away from my beliefs in the church by being endlessly criticised by "fellow Christians". Fortunately the wonderful woman in my life has helped guide me back to Christ and I know from my own personal spiritual experiences that he loves me and excepts me for me. There are many GBLT people out there who Christ would love to get to know, and I myself have set a personal challenge of welcoming as many of them to God as I possibly can, through love and acceptance of the beautiful people they are, not hateful words.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Dear Tulc,

Calling it "buggery"? that's offensive,

We are referring to the sin, what word would you use? Please insert the word you would like and the answer the question...

We dont see focusing on adultery as dehumanising straights, so why do gays see focusing on ??????? as dehumanising?

 

[Der Alte]

[SIZE=-1]To me its common sense that an all loving God won't have a problem with a deep romantic love between a couple of the same sex.[/SIZE]

Where is the scripture that states, "Thou shalt use thy own common sense instead of what is written, in scripture?"

[SIZE=-1]And there have been numerous posts and links posted in this and other threads which demonstrate not everyone agrees with the interpretations of these verses.[/SIZE]

From the time Moses delivered the law, to the Israelites, ca. 1200 BC, until the present, Jewish scholars interpreted the O.T. scriptures as condemning ALL same gender sex acts; by ALL persons, male and female; at ALL times, in ALL places, and under ALL circumstances, NO exceptions. The early church fathers also interpreted the scriptures as condemning ALL homosexual acts, with
NO exceptions.

The Talmud and the ECF did NOT even mention, and did NOT limit the condemnation of homosexual acts to, “homosexual rape,” “temple prostitution,” pagan temples and/or pagan religious activities!

Recent posts: Evidence from Talmud, and other ancient Jewish writings, Link

Evidence from early church fathers, Link

This evidence spans approximately 1500 years of church history, from 1200 BC through 300 AD.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Dear Halohope,

To me its common sense that an all loving God won't have a problem with a deep romantic love between a couple of the same sex.

to me its common sense he might and He does. See Genesis 2, 19, Judges 19. Leviticus 18 & 20, 1 Corinthians 5-7 , 1
Timothy 1, Romans 1, 2 Peter 2, Jude 1, Ephesians 5, Hebrews 13. for starters. That’s quite a lot of the Bible you disbelieve in favour of your own opinion.

And there have been numerous posts and links posted in this and other threads which demonstrate not everyone agrees with the interpretations of these verses.

Well I know non-believers are those who dont believe, but I haven’t seen them cite any scripture that countenances same-sex sex, so their argument seems baseless which is what I still maintain

You may well see those on the opposite side of you as spouting baseless lies, and thats fine by me. I see those on your side as being responsible for driving many, many people away from the church who could have wonderful lives in Christ.
I see the people are not being driven away from the church but chosing not to accept a life in Christ but one in sin and death. But that’s just my opinion which has a scriptural base. My point was what you see doesn’t.

I myself was driven away from my beliefs in the church by being endlessly criticised by "fellow Christians". Fortunately the wonderful woman in my life has helped guide me back to Christ

I think from the beliefs the “fellow Christians” were Christians what you have been helped to is away from Christ. One of us is wrong, the devil comes to steal and destroy, but Jesus comes to give life in abundance. Clearly we have two different religions or beliefs here, the Christ I have faith in doesn’t not appear to be the same one you have faith in.

and I know from my own personal spiritual experiences that he loves me and excepts me for me.

Ah that does sound like the Spirit of God according to Jesus teaching.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Any objections in my view are baseless lies as far as Christianity is concerned.

 

[tulc]

We are referring to the sin, what word would you use?

Call it what you will, if your goal is to insure that not a single gay person you talk to will ever hear another word you say after that one leaves your mouth.

We dont see focusing on adultery as dehumanising straights, so why do gays see focusing on ??????? as dehumanising?

Could it be because being gay is about more then who you sleep with? Is being a straight man only about having sex with women? If not, then why reduce being gay to that?
tulc(it does make it easier to see them as only evil though doesn't it?)

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Call it what you will, if your goal is to insure that not a single gay person you talk to will ever hear another word you say after that one leaves your mouth.

Could it be because being gay is about more then who you sleep with? Is being a straight man only about having sex with women? If not, then why reduce being gay to that?
tulc(it does make it easier to see them as only evil though doesn't it?)

Thank you for this, tulc!

This is why I keep bringing up the truth of the matter:
it is nothing more than a perverse obsession with sex, not sin.

 

[HaloHope]

Call it what you will, if your goal is to insure that not a single gay person you talk to will ever hear another word you say after that one leaves your mouth.

I've never really got this "love the sinner" by insulting them thing myself tulc.

Could it be because being gay is about more then who you sleep with? Is being a straight man only about having sex with women? If not, then why reduce being gay to that?

. Wonderfully put.