What is YOUR sexual orientation?

[HaloHope]

God created people to love everyone else. He also created people to love whoever they fall in love with. Also, a homosexual can't imagine having someone of the opposite sex so the emotional appeal there is kind of a mute point.

Quoted for truth.

One of the things I myself can never understand that is often said by conversative Christians is the claim that homosexual relationships revolve around lust not love.

I myself am in a commited long term relationship with another woman and I most definately, certainly love her. My relationships core is nothing to do with sexual contact, it's to do with wanting to be with a very special woman, sharing day to day things with her like going for walks, eating out, watching TV on the couch after a long day. Just living my life with her. I fail to see why this is so difficult to grasp, as there are many, many homosexual relationships out there like this.

It's to do with love. Not lust. Love.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Dear Peacelover02

God created people to love everyone else. He also created people to love whoever they fall in love with.

Which therefore is everyone else.

I am not mocking this, it is actually correct. Love means many things to a modern English language definition. The 'love' that is God is agape which is a different 'love' to the modern definition. People say Jesus talked a lot about love but He never mentioned homosexuality, infact He never mentioned either. He mentioned sexual activities and He mentioned agape and phlieo which are types of love.

 

[OceanAngel]

well, for my 2 cents or 4.3 pence (depending on the exchange rate) I'm kinda unsure about my sexual orientation but transexual is not a sexual orientation, that I'm sure of.

 

[OceanAngel]

Erm..
Thank you very much for putting words in the mouth of some transexual Christians, but I personally see transexuality and Christianity as infinately compatible.

My basis for Christianity certainly hasn't crumbled like a house of cards going by that logic every single person born with a birth defect or disability can't be a Christian either. Transexuality is no different to treating any other medical condition, the way I see it I was born with a defect, it was treated, thats it. I thank God I was able to get the treatment I needed.

I agree with that totally.

 

[ReformedChapin]

Quoted for truth.

One of the things I myself can never understand that is often said by conversative Christians is the claim that homosexual relationships revolve around lust not love.

I myself am in a commited long term relationship with another woman and I most definately, certainly love her. My relationships core is nothing to do with sexual contact, it's to do with wanting to be with a very special woman, sharing day to day things with her like going for walks, eating out, watching TV on the couch after a long day. Just living my life with her. I fail to see why this is so difficult to grasp, as there are many, many homosexual relationships out there like this.

It's to do with love. Not lust. Love.

It shouldn't matter if it's "genuine" love. Your love should be for God and his commandments not your emotional state. What did Jesus say "pick up your cross and follow me."

 

[HaloHope]

It shouldn't matter if it's "genuine" love. Your love should be for God and his commandments not your emotional state. What did Jesus say "pick up your cross and follow me."

I do have love for God and his commandments, I just don't see "Thou shalt not be gay" as one of them.

 

[ReformedChapin]

I do have love for God and his commandments, I just don't see "Thou shalt not be gay" as one of them.

How can you justify homosexuality scripturaly then? That's besides what most christians both in the past and the present consider a sin. All I have seen is a manipulation by liberal theologens to justify more and more sins that have corrupted our churches.

 

[HaloHope]

How can you justify homosexuality scripturaly then? That's besides what most christians both in the past and the present consider a sin. All I have seen is a manipulation by liberal theologens to justify more and more sins that have corrupted our churches.

To me its a matter of perspectives. I interpret the Bible differently to you and from my perspective I see many GBLT people being pushed away from the church by conservatism. Which i think is a bad thing. I want to reach out to people who have been pushed away from the church.

I don't have a problem with the viewpoint that homosexual acts are a sin. I just don't agree that in a loving monogamous relationship they are.

 

[ReformedChapin]

To me its a matter of perspectives. I interpret the Bible differently to you and from my perspective I see many GBLT people being pushed away from the church by conservatism. Which i think is a bad thing. I want to reach out to people who have been pushed away from the church.

I don't have a problem with the viewpoint that homosexual acts are a sin. I just don't agree that in a loving monogamous relationship they are.

Relativism is not biblical which is where you seem to be pointing at. I agree with reaching the lost, but compromising the Gosple to do so isn't a good idea.

 

[HaloHope]

Relativism is not biblical which is where you seem to be pointing at. I agree with reaching the lost, but compromising the Gosple to do so isn't a good idea.

But from my perspective and interpretation of scripture I am not compromising the gospel. So I don't personally believe myself to be at fault on this matter.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Dear Halohope,
There isnt a thou shalt not be a paedophile either and I wouldn't accpet that as a reason to suggest God approved. Its was the Bible does say about God's creation purpose woman for man united as one flesh that excludes the possibitity of same-sex sex or paedophilia as God's intended sexual activity for us.

secondly Jesus taught that if we love Him we seek to obey all He taught. he didnt teach anything about gay so no reason to seek it there, your views are based on what Jesus didnt teach and disputing what He did.

 

[OceanAngel]

How can you compare it to paedophilia, thats someone hurting a child?

Gay people have each others consent and may love each other, rather like straight people.

 

[tulc]

One of the things I myself can never understand that is often said by conversative Christians is the claim that homosexual relationships revolve around lust not love.

Because if they think it's just lust then they feel justified in saying "That's not REAL LOVE!! (tm)" and then it's ok dismiss you?
tulc(speaking as a former dismisser)

 

[brightmorningstar]

Dear OceanAngel

How can you compare it to paedophilia, thats someone hurting a child?

But I was comparig its scriptural absence to paedophilia, which is also not necessarily mentioned.
As to 'does it hurt' thats another argument, but same-sex sex paedophila hurts a child as much as opposite sex paedophilia. Besides the Bible says that unlike all other sisn which hurt others, who sins sexually sins against their own body as a temple of the Holy Spirit, heterosexually and homosexually.

 

[HaloHope]

How can you compare it to paedophilia, thats someone hurting a child?

Gay people have each others consent and may love each other, rather like straight people.

Exactly comparing homosexual relationships to paedophilia is totally unreasonable.

Paedophilia = unconsensual and therefore hurts another person.

Homosexuality = consensual, and therefore dosen't hurt anyone if in the context of a monogamous relationship.

 

[HaloHope]

Because if they think it's just lust then they feel justified in saying "That's not REAL LOVE!! (tm)" and then it's ok dismiss you?
tulc(speaking as a former dismisser)

Sadly tulc in some cases I think you are right about this (not in all cases mind, I don't want to tar everyone with the same brush here)

 

[brightmorningstar]

My feeling is some here do not understand God's love and what God defines love as. The love for God of course is obeying Jesus teaching John 14 & 15, Matthew 28 etc. God's love is that Jesus died for us to atone for our sins and make eternal life available for us. 1 John 4. John 3:16, Romans 10 etc there is no sex at all in that. Sex comes in a faithful union of a man and a woman, sex outside that is not God's purpose.
So sex is part of a loving man/woman union
Society has come to associate sex as an integral part of love, it isnt, Jesus said that the greatest love is when someone lays down their life for another, which is what He has done for us.
'God is love' not 'love is god'

 

[brightmorningstar]

Dear Halohope,
You may think it is unreasonable but I dont and it disproves the point you made has much credibilty for the argument.

Paedophilia = not mentioned in the Bible
Homosexuality = not mentioned in the Bible

 

[brightmorningstar]

My sexuality is Christian. I look to follow Jesus teaching in sexual matters.
In faithful man/woman marriage Genesis 2, Matthew 19, Mark 10, Ephesians 5, 1 Corinthians 5-7, Hebrews 13.
I dont desire to have any sex outside marriage which includes same-sex Gen 19, Lev 18, 20, Judges 19, 1 Corinthians 6, 1 Tim 1, Romans 1, 2 Peter 2, Jude 1.

 

[HaloHope]

My sexuality is Christian. I look to follow Jesus teaching in sexual matters.
In faithful man/woman marriage Genesis 2, Matthew 19, Mark 10, Ephesians 5, 1 Corinthians 5-7, Hebrews 13.
I dont desire to have any sex outside marriage which includes same-sex Gen 19, Lev 18, 20, Judges 19, 1 Corinthians 6, 1 Tim 1, Romans 1, 2 Peter 2, Jude 1.

Again, as I have stated before I interpret the scriptures you use against same sex relationships differently to you.

You interpret them one way. I interpret them another. Neither of us is likely to change the others opinion on the matter via an internet form. I am just making my own interpretation clear.