What is wrong with Calvinism ?

[Jesus is YHWH]

"Calvinists" are not Calvin. . .your serious mistake is confusing the two.
Such data is not reliable.

reality says otherwise as they say the proof is in the puddin.

and calvin himself persecuted his opposition a very unchristian, unChristlike , unloving , unbiblical act- we are to love our enemies.

acts of hate and no one who hates his brother has eternal life. read 1 John.

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[Clare73]

It is too common to see people zooming in on words in Ephesians 1:1-6
and misinterpreted that God choose individuals to be saved.

God forbid that anyone should take the word of God at its word . .when everyone knows it must be trimmed to fit the notions of man!

 

[SkyWriting]

Oops! . . .misrepresentation of Calvin demonstrated.

Really? I couldn't find one example of "God is love" in any form.

 

[Clare73]

And you ignored this ffom the OP

Which does not overturn the facts of post #3144.

This is absurd. . .and explains a lot about your argument.

 

[Clare73]

the Bible supports me 100% and exposes the false doctrines of fatalism/determinism, double predestination and the calvinist view of Gods sovereignty.

hope this helps !!!

In your personal view. . .which you demonstrate has some problems.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

In your personal view. . .which you demonstrate has some problems.

the problem is calvin and his unbiblical views.

 

[RickReads]

That is contrary to authoritative NT apostolic teaching that there is only one olive tree of God's people, going all the way back to Abraham (Romans 11:15-18; Galatians 3:28-29).

That interpretation of prophetic riddles is contrary to NT apostolic teaching.
That interpretation is incorrect.

I think it's an interesting contention and he has a great verse to back himself on it.

 

[GenemZ]

Any translation. You may be wright Gene, grace and peace.

Very revealing to note...

While Jesus was being forsaken he could not cry out for the Father. He was forsaken, and could only use the generic term "God."

At about three Jesus cried out with a loud shout, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani,”
which means, “My God, my God, why have you left me?” Mat 27:26​

See? He was not using the name of the Father. He could not. For he was being forsaken because the Father could not remain one with our sins.

But, note also here, please. After the last sin of mankind had been poured onto the body of Jesus? And, not more was left to be judged on the Cross? Jesus sensed a change had taken place.

"After this, Jesus, knowing that all was now finished, said (to fulfill the Scripture),
“I thirst.”" Jn 19:28​

He was once more back in fellowship with the Father. AND! He returned to calling God, "Father." No more calling out to 'my God.'

"For the sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two.
Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his last." Lk 23:45-46​

No more sins to bear? Jesus was back in relationship and calling God "Father."

Its subtle at first readings. But once someone points it out for us? It begins to make sense and soon becomes obvious.

An unbeliever may try praying to God. They sometimes do. Only the believer can pray... "Father."

grace and peace ......

 

[GenemZ]

the problem is calvin and his unbiblical views.

My pastor explained to us that you will find that some of hyper-Calvinism's worst snafus were not from Calvin himself. But from his disciple Theodore Beza.

 

[John Mullally]

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[John Mullally]

You're being uninformed.

Calvin is the grace theologian.

Did he claim to cover the whole counsel of God?

Have you read Book III?

My question was on Calvinism - not Calvin. You have not studied Calvinism.

Quite honestly, I haven't studied "Calvinism," I've studied Paul.

I argue Paul, not "Calvinism."

But I suspect some of the stuff out here attributed to "Calvinism" is understanding of Calvin.

 

[RickReads]

My question was on Calvinism - not Calvin. You have not studied Calvinism.

I dunno, Clare started out saying she didn't do isms and didn't know what Calvinists believe. Now shes like why haven't you studied Calvin's 3rd book whatever that is

 

[Clare73]

My question was on Calvinism - not Calvin. You have not studied Calvinism.

Well, if "Calvinism" doesn't purport to be what Calvin writes, why does anyone consider it?

And if it claims to be what Calvin writes, why the distinction above?

But I suspect some of the stuff out here attributed to "Calvinism" is understanding of Calvin.

That is a misquote.

 

[Clare73]

I think it's an interesting contention and he has a great verse to back himself on it.

Which is?

Is it from NT apostolic teaching, or from his personal interpretation of a prophetic riddle, his interpretation disagreeing with NT apostolic teaching?

 

[Clare73]

the problem is calvin and his unbiblical views.

"Tis not Calvin whose views are not Biblical. . .

Fee free to exegete Romans 9:16-23, being true to its words and its context.

 

[RickReads]

A verse from NT apostolic teaching, or from his personal interpretation of a prophetic riddle which interpretation disagrees with NT apostolic teaching?

He followed the language of the verse so not so much an interpretation and how do we know it disagrees with apostolic teaching? Johns's followers had to get baptized in Jesus' name to get in the body of Christ.

 

[Clare73]

reality says otherwise as they say the proof is in the puddin.

Reality does not determine Scripture, rather Scripture determines reality.

and calvin himself persecuted his opposition a very unchristian, unChristlike , unloving , unbiblical act- we are to love our enemies.

acts of hate and no one who hates his brother has eternal life. read 1 John.

And we put some to death in our penal system

 

[Clare73]

Really? I couldn't find one example of "God is love" in any form.

Who made that rule?

And I likewise can't find one example of "God is Trinity" in the NT.

 

[Clare73]

the problem is calvin and his unbiblical views.

In your personal view, which is not without its Biblical problems. . .

 

[RickReads]

Who made that rule?

And I likewise can't find one example of "God is Trinity" in the NT.

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.