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Happy Father's day. I remember our interaction on CF when you were a Calvinist - you were always respectful.
Does not Matthew 20:28, "to give his life as a ransom for many" make clear which meaning of "all" is intended in 1 Timothy 2:6; i.e., "all without distinction," rather than "all without exception". . .seein' as Paul got his gospel from Jesus n' all (Galatians 1:11-12).
Ha! Even apart from your subject at hand, what you say there demonstrates bad logic: Whether or not I can define what I believe, or even describe it, does not make it an unsound belief. We are all dependent on words for our communication. Our communication has no bearing on the truth of a thing. Yet here you demand a final count of meaning from what is hardly more than child's prattle. Have you not considered how little we know, and how self-assuming our words are, for example, when we ask something of God? It's not just that we know not what we ask, but that we know not if our words mean anything definite. We know in part, but our answers, when we see him face to fact, may be too often, that our questions were meaningless. Our answers are more likely to be very few, not because there are no answers for the question, but that the questions are near meaningless. One answer may suffice for a thousand questions, or even for all one's questions.
Yes, it's pretty plain you don't know what to tell me. After all, every passage that you say describes prevenient grace works for actual regeneration, too, and to add insult to injury, the 'results of regeneration' works better than your claim that those are acts of the fallen (unregenerate) human will. That's gotta be frustrating.
1 Timothy was written over 15 years after the letter from the Jerusalem Council (Acts 15) to the Gentiles which affirmed their status as believers without the need to follow almost all Jewish traditions, and about 8 years after the book of Romans. Unlike Romans, the book of Timothy makes no discussion between Jews and Greeks.
So you allow adding context to God's word that is no where present in the letter. And then you call my argument "weak". Wow!
Grasping at straws. Verse 4 & 6 could not be more plain.
I like that very much! It does indeed help define ("crystalize", lol (I don't much like trendy or clichéd language)) the issue, though I don't think the fact that Matthew says it, bears evidence that Paul meant it, here. In the times I have studied the use of 1 Tim 2:1-6, I have seen several other, better (in my estimation), evidences that Paul would mean that when he wrote Timothy, such as what he says in verse 7, directly referring it back to what he had just finished saying in 4 and 6, or even, the fact that it is such a constant theme in his letters. But yes, all those evidences build on that meaning shown so clearly in Matthew 20:28.
Bad logic, my man.
It isn't one? One what? And again, how does one repent without one's will (mind of flesh) regenerated?
My contention is that we are incapable of being worthy of respect by God. How did you get that so wrong?
I was making a case for the fact that your argument is not supported in the text. The differences between Jew & Greek believers was resolved in principle long before this – although Judaizers remained a problem. Paul does not address the differences between Jew & Greek anywhere in the 1 Timothy. The fact that he states that he is appointed as Apostle to Gentiles in verse 7 is referring to his credentials – which he reiterates in many of his letters. Peter was spoken of as being the Apostle to the Gentiles in Acts 15 – fifteen years previous. The chief Apostle to the Jews, affirms Paul’s ministry in Acts 15 and in 2 Peter 3:14-16.
I assumed that if you had a reasonable argument you would have presented it by now. That's usually how it works. Although some people hold back hoping their opponent will lose interest or slip up.
It doesn't relate at all.
