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What is wrong with Calvinism ?

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That's the Temporal Order. The Logical Order is the Washing of Regeneration and the Renewal of the Spirit...
The order is a Calvinist thing . Belief in the gospel always precedes the new birth . One believes the gospel first and regeneration, salvation follow the faith and repentance of the person trust-in in Christ as per Romans 10:9-15 and John 1:12-13.
 
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That's the Temporal Order. The Logical Order is the Washing of Regeneration and the Renewal of the Spirit...

The Holy Spirit is the oil in the lamp. It must be refilled and that is the renewal.
 
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But the door isn't shut to those lacking renewal, is it?

It's shut to those lacking regeneration by the Holy Spirit in the first place, right?

We decide whether to open the door or close it. Jesus won't kick it open in spite of what the Calvinists say.
 
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In the text, didn't the appointment to eternal life occur before they believed?

All who had been appointed (prior) believed (currently).
The appointment was made, but had not come into reality yet, but when anyone believes on the Lord Jesus Christ, the actual appointment was fulfilled because the word had said that whosoever believes on the Lord Jesus Christ will be saved. I would think that is a future tense reality from a past statement when applied in the heart of the person makes their prayer of faith to the Lord and then they are sealed unto the day of redemption. Of course the Lord was not surprised seeing as how we know John 1:12 and to as many as received Him to them gave He the power(authority) to become children of God.
 
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The appointment was made, but had not come into reality yet, but when anyone believes on the Lord Jesus Christ, the actual appointment was fulfilled because the word had said that whosoever believes on the Lord Jesus Christ will be saved. I would think that is a future tense reality from a past statement when applied in the heart of the person makes their prayer of faith to the Lord and then they are sealed unto the day of redemption. Of course the Lord was not surprised seeing as how we know John 1:12 and to as many as received Him to them gave He the power(authority) to become children of God.
Does it become a reality in those who are not appointed?
 
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In the text, didn't the appointment to eternal life occur before they believed?

All who had been appointed (prior) believed (currently).
If I understand your point fully, no the appointment of eternal life was declared that eternal life would be applied whenever it took place, I do not see that haven't been already made by the person(s). Acts 13:48
And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed. Who does the bible said will receive eternal life and what must they do to receive it? Here and like in Acts 16:31 the jailer asked Paul, what must I do to be saved, and Paul said believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. Paul knew who was appointed unto eternal life, not by their names but by the scriptures that teach that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Those confessing Jesus as Lord by faith are appointed unto salvation would be the same, just different words with the same conclusion. When you or I lead someone to Lord we could tell them the same words as in Acts 13, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ by faith and you will be saved. Did He not say in John 1:11 He came unto His own but they did not receive Him, but V12, to as many as receive Him to them gave He the power to become the children of God. Was that not the fulfilling of His purpose to pay the sin debt of the world, so that all who believe on Him will be saved? What say you?
 
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Does it become a reality in those who are not appointed?
No because they never repent and belief the gospel. What did John the Baptist say to the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, 9 and do not think to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones. 10 And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
 
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The Holy Spirit is the oil in the lamp. It must be refilled and that is the renewal.
I disagree friend. The Renewal is about the New Man; the New Birth. The Verse is about being Born Again; right? The New Birth makes us a New Creation. So it's not about the Oil of the Holy Spirit...
 
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Ditto and their doctrine of drawing is dragging like fish with nets .

Draw is an interesting word. It essentially means to violently drag so it indicates that the Holy Spirit will aggressively intervene in somebody's life when it's time for them to learn about Jesus.

God doesn't force salvation on anybody but He will put pressure on people to make a decision about Christ. I've experienced it and seen it in others.
 
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I disagree friend. The Renewal is about the New Man; the New Birth. The Verse is about being Born Again; right? The New Birth makes us a New Creation. So it's not about the Oil of the Holy Spirit...

The New Birth is the Holy spirit entering in you. It transforms us into the new creature who is the new man.
 
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No because they never repent and belief the gospel. What did John the Baptist say to the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, 9 and do not think to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones. 10 And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
That was my point, but John did tell them what they had to do, and they did not fulfill the appointment of repentance as the text implied. Like in another verse Luke 13:3 except you repent you will perish. Another appointment mentioned in scripture is like this topic, for it is appointed unto all men once to die and after this the judgment, Heb 9:27. If one does not repent, I could say, it was their appointment for failing to repent and believe the gospel. What say you?
 
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Draw is an interesting word. It essentially means to violently drag so it indicates that the Holy Spirit will aggressively intervene in somebody's life when it's time for them to learn about Jesus.

God doesn't force salvation on anybody but He will put pressure on people to make a decision about Christ. I've experienced it and seen it in others.
In Calvinism that dragging is irresistible resulting in regeneration without mans will/ consent . So man is saved before faith and repentance.
 
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No because they never repent and belief the gospel. What did John the Baptist say to the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, 9 and do not think to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones. 10 And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
So those who have not been appointed do not repent and believe.
While those who have been appointed do repent and believe.
So what does "being appointed" mean?
 
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In Calvinism that dragging is irresistible resulting in regeneration without mans will/ consent . So man is saved before faith and repentance.
How much did your will/consent have to do with your natural birth?

I'm thinking the natural was patterned on the spiritual.
 
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How much did your will/consent have to do with your natural birth?

I'm thinking the natural was patterned on the spiritual.
Except the Bible never states that and scripture tells us it’s a result of our faith . John 1:12-13.
 
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In Calvinism that dragging is irresistible resulting in regeneration without mans will/ consent . So man is saved before faith and repentance.

I know. I used to get after you about that. Don't you remember?

And I got RV so nervous about it, he's praying for me.
 
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The New Birth is the Holy spirit entering in you. It transforms us into the new creature who is the new man.
Amen...

I wouldn't say the Indwelling of the Spirit Conflates to Regeneration though; that's just his Presence. Regeneration is the Act of making YOU a New Creature. We become a New Creature by receiving a New Heart and a New spirit; a living Human spirit...
 
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