What is wrong with Calvinism ?

[RickReads]

Irresistible Grace Trespasses against the Fallen Will of the Lost; this is why it is Irresistible. Arminian Prevenient Grace does the same. In both cases, because of our Total Depravity; Grace is NEVER invited. Irresistible Grace doesn't mean we have to choose Jesus; all it means is that we are now Spiritually Alive. We choose Jesus because we are Spiritually Alive; not because of the strong-arm of Grace...

The Calvinist position is that actual regeneration takes place at this stage which from a Biblical standpoint would be receiving actual salvation prior to hearing the gospel.

 

[ReverendRV]

So how do I exclude the faith in that gospel that is required for the gospel to save?

The gospel didn't save my brother.

Fair enough...

I would say the Gospel did Save me. As a Calvinist, I hold to the 5-Solas; one of which is Sola Scriptura. This means I HAVE to believe 1st Corithinthians 15:2...

 

[Clare73]

You cant unbelieve in something you never knew existed.
The unbelief penalty is only for those who find out about Jesus and reject Him.

Don't forget. . .everyone is born condemned (Romans 5:18).

The penalty is not for unbelief.
The penalty is for the guilt of Adam imputed to everyone (Romans 5:18).

Belief is how you avoid the penalty.
No belief. . .the penalty gets applied.

 

[RickReads]

Don't forget. . .everyone is born condemned (Romans 5:18).

The penalty is not for unbelief.
The penalty is for the guilt of Adam imputed to everyone (Romans 5:18).

Belief is how you avoid the penalty.
No belief. . .the penalty gets applied.

moot. Already refuted.

 

[ReverendRV]

The Calvinist position is that actual regeneration takes place at this stage which from a Biblical standpoint would be receiving actual salvation prior to hearing the gospel.

I disagree that is Calvinism. Do you have a Source which says Calvinism teaches that Regeneration is Justification before Belief in the Truth? I know you don't like to use resources, but I would need one to believe THAT is Calvinism...

 

[rockytopva]

And to share...

8 The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. - Romans 10

Anything beyond that is unnecessary complicating things, which many are good at! And Paul would go on to say

For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward. - 2 Corinthians 1:12

 

[Clare73]

Fair enough...

I would say the Gospel did Save me. As a Calvinist, I hold to the 5-Solas; one of which is Sola Scriptura. This means I HAVE to believe 1st Corithinthians 15:2...

You lost me. . .

". . .if you hold firmly,"

If you don't hold firmly, if you fall away (apostasize), you "have believed in vain."
If you apostasize, you are not saved from the condemnation in which you are born, right?

That means belief, faith is required . . .right?

 

[RickReads]

I disagree that is Calvinism. Do you have a Source which says Calvinism teaches that Regeneration is Justification? I know you don't like to use resources, but I would need one for that...

It's part of the doctrine, I`ve read it and the local Calvins believe it. I`m not a Calvin head hunter so I don't have it saved.

Your disagreement is further proof you aren't a Calvinist If I can talk myself into it I may go find a source for you but you could do it as easy as I. I`m more interested in what you do believe happens. Tell me how it all begins.

 

[ReverendRV]

You lost me. . .

". . .if you hold firmly,"

If you don't hold firmly, if you fall away (apostasize), you "have believed in vain."
If you apostasize, you are not saved from the condemnation in which you are born, right?

That means belief, faith is required . . .right?

I mean that because of Sola Scriptura, I have to believe every Verse of Scripture Prima Facie...

 

[Clare73]

moot. Already refuted.

You refuted Romans 5:18?

Where did that happen?

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

The problem with Calvinism can be summed up in one word "determination".
Divine meticulous determination of all things. The Calvinist idea of how God's sovereignty must work out itself. As such it is exalted above his Love, exalted above his mercy, exalted above his holiness and justice

Ditto

 

[ReverendRV]

It's part of the doctrine, I`ve read it and the local Calvins believe it. I`m not a Calvin head hunter so I don't have it saved.

Your disagreement is further proof you aren't a Calvinist If I can talk myself into it I may go find a source for you but you could do it as easy as I. I`m more interested in what you do believe happens. Tell me how it all begins.

I would say i AM a Calvinist because I hold to the 5-Points and the 5-Solas

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

Ok. Augustine was responsible for bringing it in the church. Previous to him free will was uniformly held with only Gnostics and Manicheans advancing it

You know your church history

 

[Clare73]

I mean I have to believe every Verse of Scripture Prima Facie...

Does prima facie include the whole verse, or just part of it?

You don't have to believe the conditions stated in the verse?

I'm confused.

 

[RickReads]

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@ReverendRV I dunno about you, easily found.Click the link above.

 

[RickReads]

You know your church history

It earned him my strongest pro-Calvin verse. Well see what he's got to say about that.

 

[ReverendRV]

Does prima facie include the whole verse, or just part of it?

You don't have to believe the conditions stated in the verse?

I'm confused.

Sorry...

Sola Scriptura means I have to believe the Gospel Saved me because 1st Corithinthians 15:2 says this. Sola Scriptura can be pictured in "Jesus Loves me, this I know; for the Bible tells me so". Similarly, the Gospel Saves me, this I know; for the Bible tells me so...

 

[ReverendRV]

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@ReverendRV I dunno about you, easily found.

Thanks, but I mean a Reformed resource that says Regeneration is Salvation before Faith...

Believe me, I don't wanna get on your nerves asking for a resource. I appreciate your contributions...

 

[RickReads]

I would say i AM a Calvinist because I hold to the 5-Points and the 5-Solas

Take this test, please. Walk me through the steps to salvation beginning with the state of depravity.

 

[RickReads]

Thanks, but I mean a Reformed resource that says Regeneration is Salvation before Faith...

Believe me, I don't wanna get on your nerves asking for a resource. I appreciate your contributions...

Reformed sources are quoted in the article. I wouldn't hand you propaganda