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Proverbs 16:9Deal with what? Explain what you are saying. I don't like guessing what someone means.
I mean you no insult when I say: It seems by your words that you are the fatalistic one.Exactly why I reject Calvinism. Either
a)Calvinism is false as my reason, my studies of the Scripture, and my base experience tell me.
of
b) Calvinism is true and God has willed that I not believe it so it is outside my power to believe.
No need to even bother considering it further.
Repetition doesn't explain anything.Proverbs 16:9
The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.
Proverbs 16:1
The plans of the heart belong to man, but the answer of the tongue is from the Lord.
John 6:44
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
I agree with these passages.
I don't know much about "where" or heaven but the cross and preparing us I can see.Interesting thought. I admit I had not thought about this, to study the notion, in years. Nice! Thanks.
Do you think it can be both, or are they mutually exclusive?
Thanks.No, matter of fact, I did not ignore it, but answered it in another post.
Those passages don't repeat.Repetition doesn't explain anything.
OKRepetition doesn't explain anything.
Yet, (I hope), you do not think how people react or think as relevant to the accuracy of doctrine. Yet, as to that, I could probably show you one for one, those who are discouraged, fearful, confused and dismayed by the notion that it is their decision for Christ that made all the difference, when their own sin appears before them unconquerable. How can they believe their own sincerity when they repent, or make promises to God? It's enough to drive one crazy, or to abandon the faith altogether!
I'm a little surprised, is all. Not that it matters to me. From my small experience in pursuing questions of eschatology, it seems to me Preterism in different degrees to be most usually an eschatology held to by Reformed believers. (Not that it is a Reformed teaching, as such.)I lean that way. Do you? Why do you ask?
When I was a calvinist I was just like MacArthur in my eschatology, pre-tribulation, premillennial, dispensationalist. I still hold those eschatological views but I'm not dogmatic about them. I believe the whole point is to be ready/prepared at all times that His return is immanent. Jesus had much to say in His parables about our readiness. When one has that view I believe it has a direct effect on how one lives their christian life.I'm a little surprised, is all. Not that it matters to me. From my small experience in pursuing questions of eschatology, it seems to me Preterism in different degrees to be most usually an eschatology held to by Reformed believers. (Not that it is a Reformed teaching, as such.)
Myself, I don't know, and don't hold to any one view. I was brought up more or less dispensational, with a few misgivings which were later borne out to be valid. But, for example, I do see Rev 21 and 22 as real, not allegorical, and the destruction of the earth (and maybe even the universe) and the New Heavens and New Earth as real. I also tend to think of the thousand-year reign of Christ as real, non-allegorical. But I expect to be wrong about some of it, certainly I have no idea what some of these things will be like, in the end.
I'm counting on you to look me up. . .I'll be in the Baptist section, waving the TX flag.I have a tendency to consider some things more literal than what we can understand at present. I think there is a structure, but it is not built with human hands, nor is it built with building materials as we conceive of them, but it is surely the Dwelling Place of God. To me, to call it figurative assumes too much of an understanding of what it will be like, when we surely do not understand what it will be like, for all the prophetic descriptions we get as to its particulars, figurative or otherwise.
I certainly do look forward to laughing with you when we look upon the facts there!
I am sketchy on Revelations and kind of astonished at folks who run headlong to it when they are so sketchy on the first few chapters of Genesis but none of it is a deal breaker as far as salvation goes, thank God!I'm a little surprised, is all. Not that it matters to me. From my small experience in pursuing questions of eschatology, it seems to me Preterism in different degrees to be most usually an eschatology held to by Reformed believers. (Not that it is a Reformed teaching, as such.)
Myself, I don't know, and don't hold to any one view. I was brought up more or less dispensational, with a few misgivings which were later borne out to be valid. But, for example, I do see Rev 21 and 22 as real, not allegorical, and the destruction of the earth (and maybe even the universe) and the New Heavens and New Earth as real. I also tend to think of the thousand-year reign of Christ as real, non-allegorical. But I expect to be wrong about some of it, certainly I have no idea what some of these things will be like, in the end.
Do you consider the preparing us to be ONLY spiritual improvement? Or specific things in life to which we adapt and even our personality changes? When I think of his preparing us, I think of a whole different person each of us becomes, instead of cookie-cutter Christians. To me, that makes more sense and yet still fits the general statements of Scripture, such as 'growing in grace' and 'maturity' etc.I don't know much about "where" or heaven but the cross and preparing us I can see.
Who could have guessed you are more literal!!! You do realize heaven is going to be a 1500 mile square cube that plops down on Jerusalem and does not throw the earth out of balance one bit, right lol lolI'm counting on you to look me up. . .I'll be in the Baptist section, waving the TX flag.
Since God can stop the sun I don't think He will have any problem handling the balance situation.Who could have guessed you are more literal!!! You do realize heaven is going to be a 1500 mile square cube that plops down on Jerusalem and does not throw the earth out of balance one bit, right
A better person hopefully but still plagued by that old fleshly nature.Do you consider the preparing us to be ONLY spiritual improvement? Or specific things in life to which we adapt and even our personality changes? When I think of his preparing us, I think of a whole different person each of us becomes, instead of cookie-cutter Christians. To me, that makes more sense and yet still fits the general statements of Scripture, such as 'growing in grace' and 'maturity' etc.
Funny, or strange, how the Tree of Life is there in Heaven/New Jerusalem, not to mention the weird concepts the description of it forms in the mind.Thanks.
Just out of curiosity. What are your thoughts on the two trees, the snake and the "mark" of Cain in Genesis?
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