What is the truth?

[bhsmte]

That sounds like one of those Zen Buddhist koans.

Not really. One reason I enjoy this site, is asking people this very question, when it comes to what they believe and or determine what is truth. What people believe is always going to widely vary from person to person. The interesting part, is asking them how they justify their belief.

 

[Cearbhall]

I know cradle Catholics who talk about being saved and remembering when they were saved. Is it a difference in locality, maybe?

I'm not sure what they could mean. In Catholicism, if they commit a mortal sin and aren't sorry for it, they're back to not being eligible for heaven. You're never permanently "saved" under Catholic doctrine.

 

[Godlovesmetwo]

I know cradle Catholics who talk about being saved and remembering when they were saved. Is it a difference in locality, maybe?

Sorry . Better I don't pretend I know the answer to this one. I don't think we get "saved" in the same meaning as Protestants get saved. Someone else?

 

[Godlovesmetwo]

I'm not sure what they could mean. In Catholicism, if they commit a mortal sin and aren't sorry for it, they're back to not being eligible for heaven. You're never permanently "saved."

we have to keep repenting every day.

 

[Galatea]

I'm not sure what they could mean. In Catholicism, if they commit a mortal sin and aren't sorry for it, they're back to not being eligible for heaven. You're never permanently "saved" under Catholic doctrine.

Does that engender fear? But it does explain why my cousin was able to convert to Catholicism so easily as she was Pentecostal and they believe salvation can be lost.

 

[Cearbhall]

Does that engender fear?

Not in my experience. If someone isn't sorry for committing a mortal sin, chances are they disagree that it's a mortal sin, so they aren't worried. Premarital sex, for example.

 

[DarthNeo]

The vast majority of NT historians agree, all four gospels were written by anonymous authors and none claim to be eye witnesses.

That is just totally FALSE - most NT "historians" are atheist...

 

[DarthNeo]

As someone who was raised Catholic, I'm still not entirely sure what all this "saved" business is about. I'm only aware of it because of sites like this one. I don't know that I've ever heard that term uttered out loud.

That is just sad...

 

[DarthNeo]

Not in my experience. If someone isn't sorry for committing a mortal sin, chances are they disagree that it's a mortal sin, so they aren't worried. Premarital sex, for example.

Sin is sin, ANY sin which is not covered by accepting Christ as your savior will send you to Hell, be it murder or the smallest of white lies...

 

[Cearbhall]

That is just sad...

We could all say this in regards to the fact that people from different backgrounds aren't familiar with all of the same religious concepts. Personally, I don't see the point of such comments.

That is just totally FALSE - most NT "historians" are atheist...

Source?

Bhsmte is actually totally correct. And regardless, the personal religious persuasion of the researcher doesn't magically change history. Judge by the substance of the research.

 

[bhsmte]

That is just totally FALSE - most NT "historians" are atheist...

Wrong again.

 

[DarthNeo]

Wrong again.

What HISTORIANS are you speaking of? Any Protestant Historian I have EVER heard of confers that the gospels were written by the Apostle it is named after and therefore a witness of Christ's life, death, and resurrection.

 

[bhsmte]

What HISTORIANS are you speaking of? Any Protestant Historian I have EVER heard of confers that the gospels were written by the Apostle it is named after and therefore a witness of Christ's life, death, and resurrection.

Academic Phd level historians, which the vast majority are, christians. Anyone that has spent anytime reading their work would know, there is a consensus, the gospels were penned by anonymous authors.

 

[Cearbhall]

What HISTORIANS are you speaking of? Any Protestant Historian I have EVER heard of confers that the gospels were written by the Apostle it is named after and therefore a witness of Christ's life, death, and resurrection.

What historians are you speaking of?

 

[DarthNeo]

What historians are you speaking of?

Hah! I asked you first!

 

[Cearbhall]

Hah! I asked you first!

Actually, you asked bhsmte.

And I asked because I am genuinely curious to hear what scholastic support there is that the four gospels were literally all written by their namesakes. Granted, I've only studied it at the undergraduate level, but my professors gave a pretty good overview of where the research currently stands.

 

[DarthNeo]

Actually, you asked bhsmte.

And I asked because I am genuinely curious to hear what scholastic support there is that the four gospels were literally all written by their namesakes. Granted, I've only studied it at the undergraduate level, but my professors gave a pretty good overview of where the research currently stands.

The Apostles Wrote the Gospels as Eyewitness Accounts | Cold Case Christianity

Richard Bauckham’s book Jesus and the Eyewitnesses: The Gospels as Eyewitness Testimony.

When were the gospels written and by whom? | carm

And more and more if you like...

 

[bhsmte]

The Apostles Wrote the Gospels as Eyewitness Accounts | Cold Case Christianity

Richard Bauckham’s book Jesus and the Eyewitnesses: The Gospels as Eyewitness Testimony.

When were the gospels written and by whom? | carm

And more and more if you like...

Plenty more if you like.

 

[DarthNeo]

Plenty more if you like.

So I guess it all depends on who you listen to and who you want to have FAITH in...

 

[faroukfarouk]

So I guess it all depends on who you listen to and who you want to have FAITH in...

We need to keep our focus on the Bible as the Word of God, also.