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In revelations john says "On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit..." he is referring to today's Sunday not the sabbath. Some translations/paraphrases will even use the word sunday. The "Lord's Day" is the celebration of Jesus' resurrection and the sabbath is the honoring the day of rest when God finished creating the world and had a day of rest. They are not the same thing so don't believe people saying sunday is just a christian sabbath because they have completely different reasons why they are honored (whether you know them or not).

I don't know what days of the week they called it back in the day but we know Jesus died the day before the sabbath and rose the day after the sabbath which became known as "the Lord's Day" and in today's calendar is Sunday.

When I was a kid I was told I had to dress up to go church or not really do anything else on sunday because of the 4th commandment. But since sunday is not the sabbath and is instead a traditional celebration on the day Jesus rose from the grave how do we observe the 4th commandment? It says in Romans 14:5 "One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind." You might say that the verse is taken out of context and is referring to the many ceremonies and celebrations the Jews had, not to the sabbath. But I would say the sabbath is part of of those many ceremonies and celebrations especially to a roman to whom the verse was written for.
 

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Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.
1 Corinthians 16:1-3
One of the things that the Church is to do when they meet on Sundays is to collect money for the poor and for mission work. This is a clear indication that Sunday is not the Sabbath. While Jesus has given us all a general Sabbath eruv (Mark 3:23-28; Matthew 12:1-3; Luke 6:1-11; Luke 13:10-16), it is also clear that His grace should not be abused or taken for granted.

Monetary transactions are not, in general to carried out on the Sabbath if they can be done on another day, so deliberately picking Sunday to collect these offerings every week, when they could just as easily be collected on a different day of the week, would be such an abuse.
 
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One of the things that the Church is to do when they meet on Sundays is to collect money for the poor and for mission work.

These verses don't say that we should go to church on sunday and take up a a offering. You seem to be assuming a lot from it. Paul is just saying set aside money on the first day of the week; he says nothing about church. Regardless I'm not interested in if we should take offering on the sabbath or not or if we should on sunday, what I am interested in is what the 4th commandment means to chrisitians who do not observe the sabbath but instead observe "The Lord's Day".

Is the 4th commandment optional and can it just be regarded as a jewish tradition and if not what does it mean today and how should we observe it?
 
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The Sabbath is from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown.

We rest in honor of God, who rested on the 7th day.

And no, I don't believe it is optional. You can't keep the rest of God's commandments and leave out one. We are commanded to keep all, as a sign of our love for Christ.

John 14:21
Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him."

If you leave out one, then you cannot claim to be keeping them.

And just in case someone brings up the old "faith vs works" chestnut, God enables us to keep the commandments. It is not "us" who is working, rather God who is working through us.

OT- Deuteronomy 30:6

The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live.

NT- John 14:12

I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
 
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The Sabbath is from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown.

We rest in honor of God, who rested on the 7th day.

And no, I don't believe it is optional. You can't keep the rest of God's commandments and leave out one. We are commanded to keep all, as a sign of our love for Christ.

so what are you saying? we are to honour the sabbath as in from Friday sundown to saturday sundown? What are we to do on the sabbath to honour it correctly and what commandments are you referring to? Just the 10 commandments or all 613 commandments that are within the book of law.

Don't misunderstand me I'm not trying to say we disobey God I am asking how do we act upon these laws (if we should) today. I have never honoured the sabbath for what it actually is and I'm not even sure I would know how based on a jewish definition. On sunday I go to church twice and hang out the rest of the day but is that honouring the sabbath or is that a cultural tradition. To just say "we need to obey God" is not good enough I need a little more depth.
 
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so what are you saying? we are to honour the sabbath as in from Friday sundown to saturday sundown? What are we to do on the sabbath to honour it correctly and what commandments are you referring to? Just the 10 commandments or all 613 commandments that are within the book of law.

Don't misunderstand me I'm not trying to say we disobey God I am asking how do we act upon these laws (if we should) today. I have never honoured the sabbath for what it actually is and I'm not even sure I would know how based on a jewish definition. On sunday I go to church twice and hang out the rest of the day but is that honouring the sabbath or is that a cultural tradition. To just say "we need to obey God" is not good enough I need a little more depth.

I'm saying that we need to keep God's Law, in it's entirety.

Now why would anyone want to do this? We do this to prove that we love God. (John 14:21). If we don't we become part of those who "practice lawlessness" (Matthew 7:23) - literally, we are accursed of not keeping the law by Christ. Also, in Revelation 22:14, if we keep His commandments, we have the right to the tree of life.

But down to the nitty gritty.....

How do we keep the Law?

The Law is divided into 3 parts: the Commandments, the statutes and the judgements. Think about it this way....

If your government passed a law against speeding, it would be something along the lines of "Speeding is forbidden". This is on the policy level, but how does one apply this practically?

The commandment in this case is "Speeding is forbidden". The statute would define what was, and wasn't speeding (eg doing more than 55 mph on the freeway is speeding). Then they'd attach a judgment to it, basically a recommendation of what the punishment for such an offense (if you exceed the speed limit by 10mph or less, you will be fined x dollars).

So applying this to our subject matter, God commanded us to keep His commandments. How? We can't take a commandment and apply our own definition of it. Thou shalt not murder, is to be applied as God directed. If you read the OT, there are discussions on what is to be done in each case of killing, what is murder and what is not, and the various penalties for murder (death by stoning if I remember correctly) or payment of some sort if it was accidental.

Same thing with the Sabbath. We have to hallow the Sabbath. Now the Sabbath has been kept by the Jews since they left Eygpt and God showed them the actual day this fell on, and how to keep it. It's Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. It was instituted at the end of the creation week by God, and is to be kept in remembrance of the creation of the universe by God. And it says what is to be done on that day and what cannot be done. Strangely enough, we are not told to go to church/temple/synagogue on that day, merely to rest from our work. I come from a Methodist background, and we used to keep Sunday, did all the things the Bible says to so on the Sabbath, but on Sunday. After reading the Bible, I realised (praise God) that I had been keeping the wrong day.

IMO, if you are to keep the Law, it must be done the way God wants it done. Doing it in your own way, will not benefit you. While keeping the Law will not save us, it defines us to the world for what we have become, once we accept Christ. We, as Christians, must follow Christ, who kept all the commandments, and was thus sinless.

BTW, the Sabbath is not a Jewish invention. God created it, and as far as I know, He is not a Jew.;)
 
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In revelations john says "On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit..." he is referring to today's Sunday not the sabbath. Some translations/paraphrases will even use the word sunday. The "Lord's Day" is the celebration of Jesus' resurrection and the sabbath is the honoring the day of rest when God finished creating the world and had a day of rest. They are not the same thing so don't believe people saying sunday is just a christian sabbath because they have completely different reasons why they are honored (whether you know them or not).

I don't know what days of the week they called it back in the day but we know Jesus died the day before the sabbath and rose the day after the sabbath which became known as "the Lord's Day" and in today's calendar is Sunday.

When I was a kid I was told I had to dress up to go church or not really do anything else on sunday because of the 4th commandment. But since sunday is not the sabbath and is instead a traditional celebration on the day Jesus rose from the grave how do we observe the 4th commandment? It says in Romans 14:5 "One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind." You might say that the verse is taken out of context and is referring to the many ceremonies and celebrations the Jews had, not to the sabbath. But I would say the sabbath is part of of those many ceremonies and celebrations especially to a roman to whom the verse was written for.
Mar 2:27 And He said to them, The sabbath came into being for man's sake, not man for the sabbath's sake.


For the Jewish people, the last day of the week was the Sabbath day and it was so in the early church as well. But what did and does "keeping" the sabbath require? And why did the NT authors differentiate between the Lord's day and the Sabbath day? We know that they did because the oldest extant Christian texts we have, while they may not be deemed inspired are at least historical and a valid as a historical record of the earliest days of Christendom.
 
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But since sunday is not the sabbath and is instead a traditional celebration on the day Jesus rose from the grave how do we observe the 4th commandment?
By living ourselves, and enabling everyone else to live, in an appropriate cycle of work and rest.
 
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Commandment: Thou shalt not commit adultery.

Statute: Definition of adultery. Latest definition provided by Lord Jesus.

Matthew 6:28

"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

Judgement: Death

Leviticus 20:10

'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.

Admittedly, it's not presented that clearly in the Bible, but for every commandment you can find, there are accompanying statues and judgements.

Hope that helps...
 
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By living ourselves, and enabling everyone else to live, in an appropriate cycle of work and rest.

I disagree.

The whole point of the Sabbath, is to keep it in remembrance of God's creation of the world. By observing it on a different day, we do not honour God.

Exodus 20

8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
 
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Same thing with the Sabbath. We have to hallow the Sabbath

I understand the sabbath and the purpose for it however I do not keep the sabbath as the old testament does (if I do at all). Christians tend to follow the tradition of the Lord's day which is not the sabbath. I am sorry if I am not being clear but I do not want an answer that says "we are to follow God's commandments" or anything like that. I agree with you that we are follow God's commandment and assuming we are to still observe the sabbath day HOW are we to do that.

I don't thinking I am assuming too much when I say Christians do not observe friday sundown to saturday sundown as a time of rest. If you were to ask a christian how they honour the sabbath they would probably tell you they set aside sunday for the Lord by going to church and having family time or something like that. Is that the right way to honour the sabbath today? Or should I take friday sundown to saturday sundown and actualy use it as a time of rest. How much or how little should I rest from?

why did the NT authors differentiate between the Lord's day and the Sabbath day?

As stated in the original post (that you quoted) The Lord's day is the celebration of Christ's resurrection which was on a sunday. And the Sabbath is honoring the day of rest when God himself rested after creation and its on saturday. They are not the same day and sunday is not the christian sabbath. You can honour both the Lord's Day and the Sabbath as they are different days and are for different reasons.
 
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I disagree.
That's your privalege.

The whole point of the Sabbath, is to keep it in remembrance of God's creation of the world.
I would not agree with that.


By observing it on a different day, we do not honour God.
And I certainly don't agree with that.

Not that I "observe it on a different day" in any meaningful sense.

As a non-Jewish Christian the commandment to sabbath keeping is not mine to keep. What I can do is live in response to some of the principles it enshrines. To keep the strict command would be like trying to carry on following the signposts once one has reached the city to which they point. Additionally one of the purpose of Sabbath is for Israel to be visibily different - as circumcision was their private badge of separation as God's people, sabbath keeping was the central public badge of the same. To insist on keeping it as such post resurrection is to completely miss the point of what is going on - the job now isn't to keep everyone out but welcome everyone in.
 
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I understand the sabbath and the purpose for it however I do not keep the sabbath as the old testament does (if I do at all). Christians tend to follow the tradition of the Lord's day which is not the sabbath. I am sorry if I am not being clear but I do not want an answer that says "we are to follow God's commandments" or anything like that. I agree with you that we are follow God's commandment and assuming we are to still observe the sabbath day HOW are we to do that.
True....Christians (well the majority) keep Sunday, as it is a tradition. I used to.

However, why do we keep this tradition? There was no commandment given to keep it, the only commandment given was the 4th, about the Sabbath.

Also, if you read up on early church history (as in very early), and look in Acts, the earliest Christians kept the Sabbath, even the ones who came from non-Jewish backgrounds, like Luke for example. It was only in the 4th century, that this became a commandment/tradition of the "church" and that was done only when the "church" was adopted by Rome, as it's official church.

If we are to follow God's commandments, we should follow them the way God said they should be followed, and not modify them as we see fit. We do not condone murder, because it is in the commandments, and yet this one commandment is disobeyed by the greater portion of Christianity. Why? If the Law is no longer valid for us, why keep the rest on not follow one?

I don't thinking I am assuming too much when I say Christians do not observe friday sundown to saturday sundown as a time of rest. If you were to ask a christian how they honour the sabbath they would probably tell you they set aside sunday for the Lord by going to church and having family time or something like that. Is that the right way to honour the sabbath today? Or should I take friday sundown to saturday sundown and actualy use it as a time of rest. How much or how little should I rest from?
I used to follow the Sunday "Sabbath" as well. However, I decided to follow God, and do exactly what He said to be done. If you wish to follow the Sabbath, how to do it is given in the 10 commandments, along with the day. You can choose whether you want to follow it or not. IMO, if we are to follow God's commandments, we should do it exactly how God said it should be done, and not how we see fit. That was Saul's mistake, when He was commanded to exterminate the Amalekites, and as a result, God took the Kingdom of Israel away from him.
 
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That's your privalege.

Thank you. I meant that, not as an argumentative statement, but merely to say that my position on this is different from yours. :) There was no malice in that statement.

I would not agree with that.

I would be interested to learn why.

I said this because when God first commanded that the Sabbath be observed, this was the reason He gave for it.

Exodus 20

8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

God is telling us to do what He did. This is consistent with the teaching of Christ, who says we are to follow Him.

And I certainly don't agree with that.

Not that I "observe it on a different day" in any meaningful sense.
So what is your position?

As a non-Jewish Christian the commandment to sabbath keeping is not mine to keep. What I can do is live in response to some of the principles it enshrines. To keep the strict command would be like trying to carry on following the signposts once one has reached the city to which they point. Additionally one of the purpose of Sabbath is for Israel to be visibily different - as circumcision was their private badge of separation as God's people, sabbath keeping was the central public badge of the same. To insist on keeping it as such post resurrection is to completely miss the point of what is going on - the job now isn't to keep everyone out but welcome everyone in.

Firstly, the Sabbath commandment, is not just for Jews but for all the followers of Christ. The entire Book of the Law is for us (us being follows and believers of Christ), not just for Jews.

We follow the other commandments, so why do we leave this one out? Even we are supposed to keep the Sabbath ( I am also a non-Jewish Christian).

Isaiah 56

6 And foreigners who bind themselves to the LORD
to serve him,
to love the name of the LORD,
and to worship him,
all who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it
and who hold fast to my covenant-

7 these I will bring to my holy mountain
and give them joy in my house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and sacrifices
will be accepted on my altar;
for my house will be called
a house of prayer for all nations."

Circumcision is also, not private to the Jews. The Arabs have it, through Ismael. Also, it is the sign of the covenant that God made with Abraham, that he would be a "father to many nations". We, as Christians are to be circumcised as well, in the heart. Our hearts must be circumcised.

Colossians 2

11In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ, 12having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.

Interestingly enough, this also appears in the Law.

Deuteronomy 30:6

The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live.

And circumcision is of no value is we do not follow the Law.

1 Corinthians 7:19

Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God's commands is what counts.

The sign does not matter. Obeying God matters.
 
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Thank you. I meant that, not as an argumentative statement, but merely to say that my position on this is different from yours. :) There was no malice in that statement.



I would be interested to learn why.

I said this because when God first commanded that the Sabbath be observed, this was the reason He gave for it.
The Exodus quote doesn't say what you would have it mean.

"Do X because Y" does not (necessarly) mean "do X to remember Y".

God is telling us to do what He did.
Well, like the rest of the law, God told Israel to do ....

That neither means it is for all time nor for all people.

Indeed, reading the Exodus quote closely ought to make the point quite clearly - we live in the beginning of the New Creation that began on Easter morning and is not yet complete.

Firstly, the Sabbath commandment, is not just for Jews but for all the followers of Christ. The entire Book of the Law is for us (us being follows and believers of Christ), not just for Jews.
It seems to me quite clear from Galations that that is not the case. The law is part of our history, so in that sense it is for us and we need it to live in continuity with it, but it never was for all people or all time. It's purpose came to it's fullfilment in Jesus of Nazareth and specifically in his death and resurrection.

We follow the other commandments,
I don't think we do as such. But the difference between following the others and consequence of following Jesus is less clear. I don't go around killing people, but my reason for doing so is not "the 10 commandments prohibit it".
Circumcision is also, not private to the Jews. The Arabs have it, through Ismael.
That's not what is meant by talking about circumcision as private. Circumcision is the private badge of God's people in the sense that it is inside one's underwear and not (generally) publically visible. One's keeping of the sabbath is public because it's publically visible. Just as for the Christian one's faith is private (not publicly visible) but the way one behaves in all things (works, if you like) are publically visible.

The sign does not matter. Obeying God matters.
The act of physical circumcision was one of God's commands just as much as the sign of sabbath keeping. The purposes of both have come to an end. As you note the OT speaks all over the places of circumcision of the heart, but that never negated the physical act.

Just as faith has replaced physical circumcision, the whole law has been replaced by regeneration in Christ, because that's the (from its point of view) future that it existed to bring about.
 
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The Exodus quote doesn't say what you would have it mean.

"Do X because Y" does not (necessarly) mean "do X to remember Y".

Exodus 20

8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Well, like the rest of the law, God told Israel to do ....


That neither means it is for all time nor for all people.

So are you saying that we are no longer to follow the Law?

Even Jesus says we are to. Not to follow it the way it had been followed but to follow it the way He was showing his disciples to follow it, by faith.

John 14:21

Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him."

If we don't follow the Law, then we will be guilty of the lawlessness Jesus talks about here:

Matthew 7

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Indeed, reading the Exodus quote closely ought to make the point quite clearly - we live in the beginning of the New Creation that began on Easter morning and is not yet complete.
True. I agree with that.

What I disagree with is the idea that because we are now a "new creation", God's Law does not apply to us anymore. Jeremiah talks about this, that there would be a new covenant made with us, and that God would "write the Laws on our hearts"

Jeremiah 31

31 "The time is coming," declares the LORD,
"when I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah. 32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their forefathers
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to them, "
declares the LORD.
33 "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time," declares the LORD.
"I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.

34 No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,'
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,"
declares the LORD.
"For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more."
35 This is what the LORD says,
he who appoints the sun
to shine by day,
who decrees the moon and stars
to shine by night,
who stirs up the sea
so that its waves roar—
the LORD Almighty is his name:
36 "Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,"
declares the LORD,
"will the descendants of Israel ever cease
to be a nation before me."
37 This is what the LORD says:
"Only if the heavens above can be measured
and the foundations of the earth below be searched out
will I reject all the descendants of Israel
because of all they have done,"
declares the LORD.

It seems to me quite clear from Galations that that is not the case. The law is part of our history, so in that sense it is for us and we need it to live in continuity with it, but it never was for all people or all time. It's purpose came to it's fullfilment in Jesus of Nazareth and specifically in his death and resurrection.
In Galatians, Paul was writing to preach against the false Gospel that they Galatians had accepted, after Paul had left them. This Gospel was the idea that the separation between Jew and Gentile still existed in this "New Creation". It doesn't.

The Law is holy, and is for all time. Even in the New Heaven and the New Earth, we will still have to love God and love our neighbour. Murder, adultery, stealing, all of these things will still be wrong there.

The heart of Christ's teachings was that the Law cannot be obeyed the way the Jews were trying to, by our own strength. Rather, God, through Jesus, will enable us to do so, by changing us from the inside, from our spirit. Once we are transformed, we can keep the Law.


I don't think we do as such. But the difference between following the others and consequence of following Jesus is less clear. I don't go around killing people, but my reason for doing so is not "the 10 commandments prohibit it".



That's not what is meant by talking about circumcision as private. Circumcision is the private badge of God's people in the sense that it is inside one's underwear and not (generally) publically visible. One's keeping of the sabbath is public because it's publically visible. Just as for the Christian one's faith is private (not publicly visible) but the way one behaves in all things (works, if you like) are publically visible.

That was not the point I was making. The point I was making was that the circumcision was a sign of the covenant God made with Abraham. Circumcision was given about 430 years before the Law, so to refer to the circumcision as irrelevant is wrong.

The act of physical circumcision was one of God's commands just as much as the sign of sabbath keeping. The purposes of both have come to an end. As you note the OT speaks all over the places of circumcision of the heart, but that never negated the physical act.

The Sabbath is because God rested on the 7th day in the creation week. As this sign points back in time, and always has, it has not come to and end.

Just as faith has replaced physical circumcision, the whole law has been replaced by regeneration in Christ, because that's the (from its point of view) future that it existed to bring about.
So once you are regenerated, what do you do? Are you free to do what you want, with this gift God gives?

NO!!!

We are supposed to live the life Christ gives us, because He died the death meant for us. Even Christ said that he did not come to remove the Law, but to fulfill it.
 
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And no, I don't believe it is optional. You can't keep the rest of God's commandments and leave out one. We are commanded to keep all, as a sign of our love for Christ.
I beg to differ on this -

Do you obey all 613 laws of the Torah?
One of the Laws of the Torah is that ALL of it be
observed. ALL laws.

We cannot and do not observe all the law, and those who
think the law is simply 10 commands are not doing their
homework. The Law was one piece given in timeframes.

Additionally, Christ IS our rest/Sabbath.
We now rest in Him and His completed work on the cross
for us.
All our worship and service are not done by observation
and work/ritual/sacrifice, but by being IN Christ thru
faith.
 
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I beg to differ on this -

Do you obey all 613 laws of the Torah?
One of the Laws of the Torah is that ALL of it be
observed. ALL laws.

We cannot and do not observe all the law, and those who
think the law is simply 10 commands are not doing their
homework. The Law was one piece given in timeframes.

Hi Nadiine,

Firstly, I'd like to point out something to you that I posted, just before you posted the post to which I'm replying, just in case you missed it.:)

Exodus 20

Even Jesus says we are to. Not to follow it the way it had been followed but to follow it the way He was showing his disciples to follow it, by faith.

John 14:21

Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him."

If we don't follow the Law, then we will be guilty of the lawlessness Jesus talks about here:

Matthew 7

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness

Now we are to keep the Law, the entire Law, and we do, only not in the fashion that the Jews (no offense meant to them:)) did.

Romans 7:6

But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

We all offer sacrifices. Even you do. (huh you say:confused:)

Jesus is the sacrifice we offer for our sins. Also, the sacrifice of a broken spirit, a broken and contrite heart is another.

Psalm 51:17

The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise.

Even Jesus himself said that He did not come to take away the Law. He taught the true meaning of the Law, that it was spiritual in nature, and fulfilling it was not something that could be done physically only but had to be done spiritually as well, that is in our hearts.

Romans 7:14

We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin.

He sent His Holy Spirit to enable us to keep the Law, and once we became the new creation by virtue of our being born again of the Spirit, it would become a delight for us to keep His Law, and not a burden.

Ezekiel 36:27

And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.

Romans 8:4

in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.


Additionally, Christ IS our rest/Sabbath.
We now rest in Him and His completed work on the cross
for us.
All our worship and service are not done by observation
and work/ritual/sacrifice, but by being IN Christ thru
faith.

Jesus is the Sabbath rest, but we have not yet entered that rest. It is still a promise that is yet to be fulfilled. We HAVE NOT entered the rest to which you are referring to yet.

Hebrews 4:1

Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it.

Not only is it still a promise, we are warned to be careful in case we fall short and fail to enter !!!!

How do we fall short?

Matthew 7

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness

Those who fall short are those who "practice lawlessness" i.e. those who do not follow the Law. Do we want to be in this group on that Day? I think not...
 
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10 Commandments
Exodus 20:2-17

1. Ye shall have no other gods before me
2. Ye shall make no graven images (idols to worship)
3. Ye shall not use the name of the Lord in vain
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy
5. Honor your father and mother
6. Ye shall not murder
7. Ye shall not commit adultery
8. Ye shall not steal
9. Ye shall not bear false witness
10. Ye shall not covet what is your neighbor's
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I do not think there now exists 9 of the 10 commandments. I have never heard any Christian say such nor have I ever read of any Christian saying such. I have heard and read Christians teach that the Sabbath was moved to the 1st day of the week. Though there was no direct command from God to do so, there are New Testament inferences and a few examples that 1st century Christians gathered on the 1st day of the week.

The only strong evidence for Sabbath day worship that pre-dates the Jewish nation is found in Gen.4:1-4 where Able and Cain presented worship offerings to God. I have never heard anyone say that Adam and Eve and their sons were ignorant of the Sabbath day.

As far as the Gentiles becoming Christians, I would think that it would have been very confusing to them to be worshipping on the Sabbath day. The 2 religions started out extremely similar to each other- Christianity and Judaism. The Public distinction would have been to worship on differing days.
 
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