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Yes, although the way I like to say it is that the Bible contains the word of God.Thanks for sharing your view Leaf. Do you believe that the bible is the Word of God?
So you do not believe all the bible is God's Word?Yes, although the way I like to say it is that the Bible contains the word of God.
Salvation is from God and we need it because without it we die.
So, do we produce the fruit of that Salvation, or does God produce the fruit through us?
Really? And what would that be let's test your claims with scripture. I think John 3:19-21 is the applicable test here. Let's talk scripture.Sorry, but SDA is like other denominations that have their 'own' beliefs, some which do not hold to Scripture. Put your trust in God and His Word, and not in man.
CONCLUSION: Grace is unmerited favour leading to a change of behaviour. God's GRACE IS FOR OBEDIENCE to GOD'S WORD in those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW it to save us from our sins and their penalty and sinful nature through our LORD JESUS CHRIST!
Hope this helps.
Thanks Davy for sharing your view on false prophets and Christs but I think I will leave it as I think the scriptures already shared with you in post # 19 linked, post # 20 linked stand alone as a light to what is true and have already addressed your new posts here so I do not feel the need to respond to them. That does not mean I disagree with everything you have posted on the subject but on the whole I do not agree because of the scriptures, context and Greek applications I have shared with you already so we will agree to disagree.
Yes, we follow Christ because we are saved and not in order to save ourselves based on performance/works. Following Christ is not forced or legalistic for those who are born of God. (1 John 3:7-10) Salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works is ANOTHER gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9)God has saved us from our sins. It is not because we do anything, but because He has done everything.
Following does not save us, we follow because we are saved.
Grace allows us to focus on the Spirit, not the law - definitely not sin.
Before grace, man focuses on the law, which in turn always points to his sinful nature. Under grace, His forgiveness is our focus(Gospel) and it allows us to follow Him not based on our own determination of right and wrong.
Hi Davy, some comments below for your consideration.
Your response here...
Sorry Davy, I do not understand what your trying to say here. Can you expound on what your trying to say here so I do not have any misunderstandings? As far as I know I have only shared scripture here which is God's Word not mine from both the old and new testament which is God's Word not my words because He must increase and we must decrease.
Once again you will have to forgive me as I do not understand what your trying to say here in relation to what you are quoting from. Can you explain what you mean here a little further?
Actually, Davy the Hebrew word râtsach means both to kill a person or to murder a person. Here is the Hebrew if your interested..
Gesenius Hebrew And Chaldee Lexicon
H7523 - GES7475
רָצַח
(1) to break, or dash in pieces. (Arab. رضح and رضخ.) See Piel No. 1, and the noun רֵצַח.
(2) to kill, with an acc. Num 35:6, seqq.; more fully רָצַח פּ׳ נֶפֶשׁ Deut 22:26, compare הִכָּה פ׳ נֶפֶשׁ under the word הִכָּה No. 2, c.
Niphal, pass. of Kal No. 2, Judg 20:4.
Piel-
(1) to dash in pieces, Psa 62:4.
(2) i.q. Kal No. 2, but iteratively (like קַטֵּל), to kill many, to act the homicide, 2Kin 6:32, Isa 1:21, Hosea 6:9.
Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong
רָצַח (râtsach | H7523) meaning: properly, to dash in pieces, i.e. kill (a human being), especially to murder
Combined Word Definitions, BDB & Thayer
Original: רצח
Transliteration: Ratsach
Phonetic: raw-tsakh’
Definition:
1. to murder, slay, kill
a. (Qal) to murder, slay
1. premeditated
2. accidental
3. as avenger
4. slayer (intentional) (participle)
b. (Niphal) to be slain
c. (Piel)
1. to murder, assassinate
2. murderer, assassin (participle)(subst)
d. (Pual) to be killed
Origin: a primitive root
Part of speech: Verb
For me I believe the application is to murder and killing our fellow man.
Here I would disagree but let me explain why. According to the new testament scriptures God's ISRAEL are no longer those in the flesh but those in the Spirit who believe and follow God's Word. For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. - Romans 2:28-29.
Romans 9:6-8 [6], Not as though the word of God has taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: [7], Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall your seed be called. [8] That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
God's ISRAEL today according to the scriptures are all those who believe and follow Gods' Word. All are one in Christ * Galatians 3:28-29. If we are not a part of Gods' ISRAEL then we have no part in God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. Gentile believers are now grafted in with Jewish believers *Romans 11:13-27 and unbelieving Jews have been cut out.
God bless
Page 2 of this same thread, I said, "The SDA view of scripture is simply that scripture is the truth", and "Truth has no denomination"... which in a roundabout way would make SDA a church of truth, but since I did say truth has no denomination, I think it's clear that I am not claiming SDA as a one true church.
People of all denominations and no denomination at all will be saved, because of the truth. Truth isn't mutually exclusive, as per my quote.
No.So you do not believe all the bible is God's Word?
But you sure spend time here to push SDA's views which are often different than written Scripture. You may want to hide that fact, but I won't. So are you sure you want to continue this?
You're still missing the point.
Scripture is my primary concern, SDA or not (as I've said many times over). If you haven't noticed, I post scripture to back everything I say (for the most part). If you can refute scripture, you're more than welcome to do so.
You see, right there is one of your problems. You 'claim' to follow Scripture, but then you turn away from the simplicity in those Scriptures I showed you, and instead slide into what SDA teaches instead. And above you claim Scripture is your primary concern, yet you make the false assumption that your view is irrefutable 'like' Scripture. Well friend, your view of Scripture is definitely not... irrefutable, as I have already shown with the Matthew 19 example of our Lord Jesus quoting about "murder" from the Old Testament.
And let me tell you, SDA's interpretation on that idea of killing being the same thing of murder, which is what your interpretation is, creates all sorts of inconsistencies with Scripture, because in Deuteronomy 20 God told the children of Israel when entering Canaan to literally wipe out (kill) the peoples of certain nations He named there, to leave alive nothing that breaths! So was that God telling them to 'murder', or was it how He passed judgment upon those specific nations for doing iniquity? (430 years before when He spoke to Abraham, He said the iniquity of the Amorites was not yet full - Genesis 15:16).
And what about police who defend others when they have to use deadly force against a criminal who intends to murder? Is that policeman a murderer because of using self-defense? To say he is, is exactly what Satan's servants want, so as to create chaos and mayhem.
The seventh day Sabbath is God's sign and Seal—the final test for Christianity in the last days. Revelation 14:6-12 is an urgent, sobering message to the world.
SDA is beside the point, it's written in black and white in the Bible. This is what we're called to and this is why I adamantly post about the Sabbath and why I adamantly post about commandment keeping.
You see, right there is one of your problems. You 'claim' to follow Scripture, but then you turn away from the simplicity in those Scriptures I showed you, and instead slide into what SDA teaches instead. And above you claim Scripture is your primary concern, yet you make the false assumption that your view is irrefutable 'like' Scripture.
Well, you can disagree all you want, but you really haven't addressed all the Scripture evidence I posted about a singular coming Antichrist for the end of this world.
It is impossible for the Sabbath to be the sign and seal in Revelation.
The sign and seal in Revelation, for the faithful, is a mark placed on the person.
If the sign and seal was the Sabbath, that would mean the person is placing the mark on themselves.
[Rev 7:3 ESV] saying, "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads."
No sense in arguing, but I will never agree with how you treat Scripture, which is per man's dogma.
Matt 19:17-18
17 And He said unto him, "Why callest thou Me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, "Which?" Jesus said, "Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,"
KJV
Lord Jesus was plain enough that He was speaking of 'murder' in Exodus 20 and not just killing. Killing and murder are two different acts. Man doesn't murder chickens for food, unless of course you follow a man-made religion that is against eating meat, like some eastern religions.
Yes, we follow Christ because we are saved and not in order to save ourselves based on performance/works. Following Christ is not forced or legalistic for those who are born of God. (1 John 3:7-10) Salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works is ANOTHER gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9)
Sorry Davey, I respectfully disagree as you have been provided both scripture, context, and the Greek word applications showing why Antichrists are plural application in post # 19 linked, post # 20 linked which stand alone as a light to what is true and what is not true so we will agree to disagree as you have not addressed these post but simply repeated what you said the first time in your earlier claims.Well, you can disagree all you want, but you really haven't addressed all the Scripture evidence I posted about a singular coming Antichrist for the end of this world.
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