WHAT IS THE REAL GOSPEL?

[LoveGodsWord]

Now you are stretching, because you definitely have not... covered all the Scripture evidences that I gave on the matter of the coming false Messiah to Jerusalem.

And in your post #19, all you did was try to use Greek as your reason for your interpretation against a singular antichrist figure in Matthew 24:24, when the context of the Matthew 24:23 & Matthew 24:26 verses that go with it are in the singular tense, about a specific false-Christ. In other words, you missed the forest for the trees. I side with Dr. James Strong, because he noticed that context and thus defined pseudochristos as being about a singular false Messiah:

NT:5580
pseudochristos (psyoo-dokh'-ris-tos); from NT:5571 and NT:5547; a spurious Messiah:

KJV - false Christ.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

And that definition, "a spurious Messiah" just so happens to align with the warnings Apostle Paul gave in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 about the coming of a 'singular' false one to Jerusalem to play God, and also by Apostle John in Revelation 13:11 forward called the "another beast" which is about a singular entity that is to work miracles that will deceive the whole world at the end of this world.

What those who are against the Scriptures on this are doing is trying to keep brethren deceived about the warnings in God's Word for a particular false Messiah that is coming to Jerusalem at the end to play God, and have the power to work great signs and wonders that IF possible, would deceive even Christ's very elect, which is the very subject Lord Jesus was teaching in the Matthew 24:23-26 verses, and also Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, and John in Revelation 13:11 forward.

So you can keep pushing hot air to try and fool... others here that's you've countered all this, but you have not.

Sorry Davy I respectfully disagree and have already shown from both the Greek application of Matthew 24:24 to being plural and not singular and also to chapter and scripture contexts that false Christs is plural application with supporting scripture that false Christs is not singular application but context and subject matter is to many (plural) also showing that not a single bible translation demonstrates singular application. So your out there by yourself on this one from what I can see. In this post all you have done here is to repeat yourself without posting anything else for consideration.

As posted earlier, the Greek word ψευδόχριστοι alone in isolation as a meaning alone from context for false Christs in Matthew 24:24 or false prophets in the same scripture which for "false Christs" ψευδόχριστοι (pseudóchristos | G5580) means a false Christ or spurious Messiah or someone who is a false pretender laying hold to the office of the Messiah. It's application in Matthew 24:24 and Mark 13:22 however is plural because it is ψευδοχριστοι is used here as a noun that is nominative plural masculine. This is the same with false prophets.

So the application here is plural and not singular which is the reason all bible translation (not one or two) have translated Matthew 24:24 to "false Christs and false prophets" plural application. This also agreeing with the scripture chapter contexts of Matthew 24:5 that says For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. All of Matthew 24 is future tense when Jesus was speaking to the disciples and subject matter was to the signs of the last days before the second coming and the end of the world *Matthew 24:3. So for me looking at all the context and the Greek here, I believe the application of Matthew 24:24 to "false Christs and false prophets" is a fulfillment of the scriptures today.

We have over 40,000 different religions all professing to by Christ true Church from some of the last consensus in regards to Christian religions. Now I am not sure how true this number is or is not but even if there were only 20 that is 19 too many. Today I believe we are seeing the fulfillment of false Christs and false prophets in the form of false Christian religions all professing to be the chosen of God but preaching a different Jesus as Jesus us the head of the body which is the church. There are too many difference heads in the world today in fulfillment of Matthew 24:24 so we know we are living in the last days. We could also talk about 2 Peter 2:1-3 and also Acts of the Apostles 20:29

The supporting scriptures go on to say elsewhere on the same subject matter which is also in support of what I am sharing with you here...

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as you have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

I do agree that John (1 John 2:18) talks about both "the antichrist" (ἀντίχριστος (antíchristos G500) meaning opposed to Christ and also "many antichrists" plural

The context here is to 1 John 2:1-6 and that if we are in him we ought to walk the way Jesus walked. This is contrasted in 1 John 2:3-4 where we are warned that those who say they know God (false teachers) and do not keep God's commandments are liars and the truth is not in them *1 John 2:3-4. This is contrasted with 1 John 2:18 that says

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as you have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Application here to false teachings or being in the world and departing the faith as shown in the next scripture where it says..

1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

The application here is to "antichrist" or opposed to Christ is not to False Christs and false prophets as in Matthew 24:24 as the latter is pretending to uphold Christ while in action and teachings denying him while the former can be opposed to Christ in many ways that lead us away from God to the world for example we read further...

1Jo 2:22-24, Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son.[23], Whoever denies the Son, the same has not the Father: he that acknowledges the Son has the Father also. [24], Let that therefore abide in you, which you have heard from the beginning. If that which you have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, you also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

Application to antichrist here is to those who deny Jesus as the Christ (the Jews rejected Jesus as the Messiah) therefore their teachings were antichrist.

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CONCLUSIONS: According to John there are many antichrists. Any teachings that is opposed to the truth of God's Word is antichrist, just the same as any teaching that leads us away from God and His Word is against Christ and His Word. There is also "the antichrist" representing the devil and everything he uses to lead God's people away from God and His Word.

Hope this is helpful

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hello Nathan, some comments from the scriptures below for your consideration

Has anyone said in this thread that we abolish the law?

According to the scriptures, Jesus says think not that I have come to destroy the law or the prophets, I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, Till heaven and earth pass, one stroke or one pronunciation mark shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom - Matthew 5:17-19. Those who are called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven are those who do not go there.

James also in James 2:10-11 says that if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of breaking the law. John also defines sin as the transgression of God's law in 1 John 3:4 and Paul also gives the same meaning as John in Romans 3:20 where he says that if we break Gods' law it is sin in Romans 7:7 and Romans 3:20. So the definition of sin according to the scriptures is breaking of anyone of Gods' 10 commandments and not believing and following God's Word (Romans 14:26).

The literal Greek word meaning of sin ἁμαρτία (hamartía | G266) is an offense that is missing the mark therefore with the mark representing God's divine law that gives us a knowledge of what sin is when broken as shown in Romans 3:20 and Romans 7:7.

Greek Lexicon Of The New Testament, Abbott-Smith - G266
ἁμαρτία, - ας, ἡ (< αμαρτάνω, q.v.),[in LXX chiefly for H2403 and cogn. forms, also for H5771, H6586,ֶּ etc.;] prop, a missing the mark; in cl. (v. reff. to OR in MM, VGT, s.v.);
(a) guilt, sin (Flat., Arist., al.);
(b) more freq., from Æsch. down, a fault, failure. In ΝΤ (as LXX) always in ethical sense;
1. as a principle and quality of action, = τὸ ἁμαρτάνειν, a sinning, sin: Rom 5:12-13; 20; ὑφ᾽ ἁμαρτίαν εἶναι, 3:9; ἐπιμένειν τῆ ἁ ., 6:1; ἀποθ v ήσκειν, νεκρὸν εἶναι τῇ ἁ ., 2; 11; τὴν ἁ . γινώσκειν, 7:7; σῶμα τῆς ἁ ., 6:6; ἀπάτη τῆς ἁ ., Heb 3:13; personified as a ruling principle, ἁ . βασιλεύει, κυριεύει, etc., Rom 5:21; 6:12; 14; 7:17; 20; δουλεύειν τῇ ἁ ., 6:6; δοῦλος τῆς ἁ ., 17; νόμο s τῆς ἁ ., 7:23; 8:2; δύναμις τῆς ἁ, 1Co 15:56 (cf. Gen 4:7).
2. As a generic term (disting. fr. the specific terms ἁμάρτημα, q.v., etc.) for concrete wrongdoing, violation of the divine law, sin: John 8:46, James 1:15, al.; ποιεῖν ( τὴν) ἁ ., John 8:34, 2Co 11:7, 1John 3:8; ἔχειν ἁ ., John 9:41; 15:22; 24; 19:11, 1John 1:8; in pl. ἁμλαρτίαι, sin in the aggregate, 1Thes 2:16 (v. Milligan, in l); ποιεῖν ἁμλαρτίας, James 5:15; πλῆθος ἁμαρτίῶν, 20, 1Pet 4:8; ἄφεσι s ἀμαρτιῶν, Matt 26:28, Mark 1:4, al.; ἐν ἁμαρτίαις εῖναι, 1Co 15:17; collectively, αἴρειν τὴν ἁ . τ . κόσμου, John 1:29; ἀποθνήσκειν ἐν τῇ ἁ ., 8:21. 3. = ἁμάρτημα, a sinful deed, a sin: Matt 12:31, Acts 7:60, 1John 5:16,
SYN.: v.s. ἁμάρτημα G265.

There is not one scripture in all of Gods' Word that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. Jesus says in His own words that he did not come to abolish the law of the prophets.

Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has been handed down to Protestantism by the mother Church that has led many to break Gods' commandments out of ignorance and in times of ignorance God winks at according to the scriptures but when he gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word calls all men everywhere to believe and follow it *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; James 4:17.

Jesus says that if we follow man-made teachings that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9. The question we must all ask ourselves is who should we believe and follow; God or man? *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29.

I believe God's people are in every Church according to the scriptures *John 10:16 but the hour is coming and now is that God's true worshipers will worship Him in Spirit and in truth. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:23-24. God is calling His people out from following man-made teachings and traditions back to the pure Word of God *Revelation 18:1-5

God's Sheep hear His voice (the Word of God) and follow him according to the scriptures (John 10:26-27)

Hope this is helpful

 

[Nathan@work]

Hello Nathan, some comments from the scriptures below for your consideration

According to the scriptures, Jesus says think not that I have come to destroy the law or the prophets, I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, Till heaven and earth pass, one stroke or one pronunciation mark shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom - Matthew 5:17-19. Those who are called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven are those who do not go there.

James also in James 2:10-11 says that if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of breaking the law. John also defines sin as the transgression of God's law in 1 John 3:4 and Paul also gives the same meaning as John in Romans 3:20 where he says that if we break Gods' law it is sin in Romans 7:7 and Romans 3:20. So the definition of sin according to the scriptures is breaking of anyone of Gods' 10 commandments and not believing and following God's Word (Romans 14:26).

The literal Greek word meaning of sin ἁμαρτία (hamartía | G266) is an offense that is missing the mark therefore with the mark representing God's divine law that gives us a knowledge of what sin is when broken as shown in Romans 3:20 and Romans 7:7.

Greek Lexicon Of The New Testament, Abbott-Smith - G266
ἁμαρτία, - ας, ἡ (< αμαρτάνω, q.v.),[in LXX chiefly for H2403 and cogn. forms, also for H5771, H6586,ֶּ etc.;] prop, a missing the mark; in cl. (v. reff. to OR in MM, VGT, s.v.);
(a) guilt, sin (Flat., Arist., al.);
(b) more freq., from Æsch. down, a fault, failure. In ΝΤ (as LXX) always in ethical sense;
1. as a principle and quality of action, = τὸ ἁμαρτάνειν, a sinning, sin: Rom 5:12-13; 20; ὑφ᾽ ἁμαρτίαν εἶναι, 3:9; ἐπιμένειν τῆ ἁ ., 6:1; ἀποθ v ήσκειν, νεκρὸν εἶναι τῇ ἁ ., 2; 11; τὴν ἁ . γινώσκειν, 7:7; σῶμα τῆς ἁ ., 6:6; ἀπάτη τῆς ἁ ., Heb 3:13; personified as a ruling principle, ἁ . βασιλεύει, κυριεύει, etc., Rom 5:21; 6:12; 14; 7:17; 20; δουλεύειν τῇ ἁ ., 6:6; δοῦλος τῆς ἁ ., 17; νόμο s τῆς ἁ ., 7:23; 8:2; δύναμις τῆς ἁ, 1Co 15:56 (cf. Gen 4:7).
2. As a generic term (disting. fr. the specific terms ἁμάρτημα, q.v., etc.) for concrete wrongdoing, violation of the divine law, sin: John 8:46, James 1:15, al.; ποιεῖν ( τὴν) ἁ ., John 8:34, 2Co 11:7, 1John 3:8; ἔχειν ἁ ., John 9:41; 15:22; 24; 19:11, 1John 1:8; in pl. ἁμλαρτίαι, sin in the aggregate, 1Thes 2:16 (v. Milligan, in l); ποιεῖν ἁμλαρτίας, James 5:15; πλῆθος ἁμαρτίῶν, 20, 1Pet 4:8; ἄφεσι s ἀμαρτιῶν, Matt 26:28, Mark 1:4, al.; ἐν ἁμαρτίαις εῖναι, 1Co 15:17; collectively, αἴρειν τὴν ἁ . τ . κόσμου, John 1:29; ἀποθνήσκειν ἐν τῇ ἁ ., 8:21. 3. = ἁμάρτημα, a sinful deed, a sin: Matt 12:31, Acts 7:60, 1John 5:16,
SYN.: v.s. ἁμάρτημα G265.

There is not one scripture in all of Gods' Word that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. Jesus says in His own words that he did not come to abolish the law of the prophets.

Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has been handed down to Protestantism by the mother Church that has led many to break Gods' commandments out of ignorance and in times of ignorance God winks at according to the scriptures but when he gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word calls all men everywhere to believe and follow it *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; James 4:17.

Jesus says that if we follow man-made teachings that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9. The question we must all ask ourselves is who should we believe and follow; God or man? *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29.

I believe God's people are in every Church according to the scriptures *John 10:16 but the hour is coming and now is that God's true worshipers will worship Him in Spirit and in truth. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:23-24. God is calling His people out from following man-made teachings and traditions back to the pure Word of God *Revelation 18:1-5

God's Sheep hear His voice (the Word of God) and follow him according to the scriptures (John 10:26-27)

Hope this is helpful

I do not know if you realize it, but by your teaching is doing the very thing Jesus spoke about.

When you teach others to focus on the 10 commandments, your teaching them to not focus on God. There is a reason why God kept them inside the Ark, inside the most holy place, not on display. Your making an idol out of them when you look to them for direction instead of following the Spirit.

You seem to think that the 10 commandments are the law when quoting from James. When in fact the whole law, all of it, is what James speaks of.

Jesus did not say His sheep hear His voice and follow Him according to the scriptures. Why do you add words to the passages that are not there?

We walk by Faith, not by sight. Focus on Christ who is the only one who is perfect - and has fulfilled the righteous requirements of the law. If you follow Him, letting the Spirit lead you, then you will be obeying ALL the law - not just the 10 commandments.

The Spirit comes by Faith not the law.

 

[Nathan@work]

Sin is a transgression of the law. Correct.

What many do not understand is that it is any transgression. Which means that it must be kept perfectly - all of it - down to the last jot and tiddle.

Because you are not perfect, it is impossible for you to keep the law perfect. Only Christ could and did.

That is why He gives us His Spirit - our Helper. When we follow Him we do not sin. We do not sin because He will never lead us contrary to His law.

Because we are humans, with a fallen nature, we cannot know how to keep the law in the manner in which He requires. You can try all day long and yet you will fault when that is your focus.

Our focus is Christ, and we follow by Faith - not by relying on what we think is righteous. A man cannot even begin to walk by Faith until he has turned away(repented) of all he thinks is righteous. You must be born from above.

 

[pasifika]

Sin is a transgression of the law. Correct.

What many do not understand is that it is any transgression. Which means that it must be kept perfectly - all of it - down to the last jot and tiddle.

Because you are not perfect, it is impossible for you to keep the law perfect. Only Christ could and did.

That is why He gives us His Spirit - our Helper. When we follow Him we do not sin. We do not sin because He will never lead us contrary to His law.

Because we are humans, with a fallen nature, we cannot know how to keep the law in the manner in which He requires. You can try all day long and yet you will fault when that is your focus.

Our focus is Christ, and we follow by Faith - not by relying on what we think is righteous. A man cannot even begin to walk by Faith until he has turned away(repented) of all he thinks is righteous. You must be born from above.

Hello, the problem of the so called 7th day Sabbath keepers is the same problem in which the Pharisees and Teacher of the law have in the time of Jesus..they are lacking in knowledge of God's Righteousness ( Jesus Christ ) in which the law is written about...

So they think by following the letter of the law makes them righteous...But they dont know the letter is written about the Son ( Gods Righteous One) and if we have to be Righteous then we Need His Spirit ( which is a Gift!)...if we don't have the Spirit then is just a waste of time, they can talk about keeping the law but their actions are still evil...

Romans 2:24..As it is written: " God's name is blaspheme among the Gentiles because of You...

 

[The Liturgist]

THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL OR ANOTHER GOSPEL WHICH DO YOU FOLLOW?

Hi Guys,

The other thread seemed to have disappeared because of a technicality. Anyhow this is an undated version with some new questions for consideration.

In God's Word the bible speaks of the everlasting Gospel in Revelation 14:6 as part of the three angels messages as the last message of warning given to the world before the second coming and warns us about receiving "another gospel" preaching another Jesus or a false gospel that is not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ (false teachings) in 2 Corinthians 11:4; Galatians 1:6-7; Acts of the Apostles 20:29.

I think this topic is an important one for us to understand as it is written in the very Words of Jesus, that in the last days there will be many false teachers seeking to lead God's people away from the truth of God's Word *Matthew 24:24; 2 Peter 2:1-3.

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QUESTIONS FOR THIS OP (I will link my answers to these question back here to the OP when answered)

Q1. What is the true gospel? (linked)
Q2. Why has God given us His grace for? (linked)
Q3. What is sin (linked)
Q4. What is God's grace for?
Q5. What is the other gospel?
Q6. Can we have Gods' grace without God's law?
Q7. What is the purpose of God's law (10 commandments) in the new covenant?

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What do you think dear friends. Are you following the everlasting gospel and where is it leading you? What therefore is the "another gospel" and where can it lead us?

Friendly discussion please.

God bless

You’ve said before, or maybe it was imge, that the Word of God is all the books in the Bible and the True Gospel is all of that, but that’s nonsense, for several reasons:

- Based on your convoluted exegesis of John 1:1, it would mean the Bible is an uncreated member of the Godhood worthy of worship in its own right.
- The Gospel did not exist before the Incarnation and Ascension and was not preached until after Pentecost. And it is absurd to think that in preaching the Gospel in 33 AD, a narrative which was not committed to ink and codex until 50 AD at the earliest in the case of the Gospel of Mark, or some authors argue, the Gospel of Thomas, the Apostle Paul would bother preaching the entire Old Testament to the Gentiles. I imagine sleep would descend upon them no later than 2 Chronicles, but most people cannot handle more than Genesis and Exodus in one setting, which is why the current practice of the Jews since the prophet Nehemiah is to read the Torah using a lectionary system over a one or three year period, and the ancient practice was for the King or leader of the people to read the recapitulation of the law in Deuteronomy annually at the Festival of Tabernacles.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I think the problem is that you do not understand what sin is. Sin is not just breaking one of God's commandments, sin is not being absolutely perfect. Do you think that you are perfect by doing what you think the commandments say?

Hi Nathan, The biblical definition of sin was posted in post # 202. What do you think the meaning of Matthew 9:12-13 is?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

We are not living by Faith if we are in sin. However, if we are living by Faith, we are not in sin.

Yes so your agreeing with what I have just said in the post you are quoting from. Thank you

 

[LoveGodsWord]

This is the Gospel. When we are living by Faith, we are being led by the Spirit, and He does not lead us into sin - we are perfect before God's eyes because of Jesus' righteousness, not because of our works. Faith takes the focus off the law, and puts it onto Christ.

Agreed, where the stumbling block for many is then is in God's 4th commandments *Exodus 20:8-11. In times of ignorance God winks at and does not hold us accountable for our sins until he gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word at which time he calls us all to believe and follow them. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship him in Spirit and in truth. God is calling us all out from following man made teachings and traditions back to the pure Word of God according to Matthew 15:3-9; John 10:16; John 4:23-24; Revelation 18:1-5 and John 10:26-27.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I do not know if you realize it, but by your teaching is doing the very thing Jesus spoke about.

Sorry Nathan, I have not posted my teaching I have posted Gods' Word. What is it in the scriptures provided in the very post you are quoting from that you disagree with?

When you teach others to focus on the 10 commandments, your teaching them to not focus on God. There is a reason why God kept them inside the Ark, inside the most holy place, not on display. Your making an idol out of them when you look to them for direction instead of following the Spirit.

I am not teaching others to focus on the 10 commandments. As shown through the scriptures the true gospel is every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God because it points to Jesus and God's plan of salvation for all mankind just as Gods' law does as Paul shows in Galatians 3:22-25; Matthew 9:12-13.

You seem to think that the 10 commandments are the law when quoting from James. When in fact the whole law, all of it, is what James speaks of.

Not really Nathan, James is specifically talking about the 10 commandments according to the scriptures
James 2:10-11 [10] For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.[11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet if you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.

Jesus did not say His sheep hear His voice and follow Him according to the scriptures. Why do you add words to the passages that are not there?

Yes he did. John 10:26-27 [26] But you believe not, because you are not of my sheep, as I said to you. [27], My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me
Jesus is the living Word of God *John 1:1-4; 14 that has given us His written Word. God's written Word is God's Word representing His voice. If we do not believe and follow His Word then we are not following Jesus according to the scriptures *Matthew 7:21.

We walk by Faith, not by sight. Focus on Christ who is the only one who is perfect - and has fulfilled the righteous requirements of the law. If you follow Him, letting the Spirit lead you, then you will be obeying ALL the law - not just the 10 commandments. The Spirit comes by Faith not the law.

According to the scriptures, no one has faith or has God's Spirit if they knowingly do not believe and follow God's Word when he gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word and we choose to reject God's Word in order to continue in a life of known unrepentant sin *Hebrews 10:26-31.

Hope this is helpful

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You’ve said before, or maybe it was imge, that the Word of God is all the books in the Bible and the True Gospel is all of that, but that’s nonsense, for several reasons:

- Based on your convoluted exegesis of John 1:1, it would mean the Bible is an uncreated member of the Godhood worthy of worship in its own right.
- The Gospel did not exist before the Incarnation and Ascension and was not preached until after Pentecost. And it is absurd to think that in preaching the Gospel in 33 AD, a narrative which was not committed to ink and codex until 50 AD at the earliest in the case of the Gospel of Mark, or some authors argue, the Gospel of Thomas, the Apostle Paul would bother preaching the entire Old Testament to the Gentiles. I imagine sleep would descend upon them no later than 2 Chronicles, but most people cannot handle more than Genesis and Exodus in one setting, which is why the current practice of the Jews since the prophet Nehemiah is to read the Torah using a lectionary system over a one or three year period, and the ancient practice was for the King or leader of the people to read the recapitulation of the law in Deuteronomy annually at the Festival of Tabernacles.

Sorry dear friend but I would respectfully disagree but thank you for sharing your view. I would say the scriptures already posted from God's Word which are not my words in regards to how the bible defines "the gospel" here linked disagree with you. The bible also defines "another gospel" that is not the true gospel designed to lead us away from God and His Word here linked. What is it in the linked posts and the scriptures provided there that you disagree with? All you have provided in your post here are your words disagreeing with the scriptures shared in the linked posts. The scriptures posted in the linked posts above are God's Word not my words. Of course are free to believe as you wish. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them over the teachings and traditions of men that Jesus says breaks the commandments of God in Matthew 15:3-9. Paul says pretty much the same thing as Jesus, Peter and John in Romans 3:4 and Acts of the Apostles 5:29. God's Word is the only standard and rule of faith *2 Timothy 3:16; 1 John 4:1 and we are to examine ourselves to see if we are in it or not according to *2 Corinthians 13:5. God is calling all who have ears to hear to come out from following man-made teachings and traditions and return to His Word *John 4:23-24; Revelation 18:1-5; Matthew 15:3-9. Only those who have ears to hear will hear according to Jesus in Matthew 13:9. God's sheep hear His voice (the Word) and follow him while those who do not hear will not follow *John 10:26-27; Matthew 13:15-16. The question we should all consider is who do we believe and follow; God or man? *2 Corinthians 13:5

 

[Nathan@work]

Sorry Nathan, I have not posted my teaching I have posted Gods' Word. What is it in the scriptures provided in the very post you are quoting from that you disagree with?

I am not teaching others to focus on the 10 commandments. As shown through the scriptures the true gospel is every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God because it points to Jesus and God's plan of salvation for all mankind just as Gods' law does as Paul shows in Galatians 3:22-25; Matthew 9:12-13.

Not really Nathan, James is specifically talking about the 10 commandments according to the scriptures
James 2:10-11 [10] For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.[11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet if you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.

Yes he did. John 10:26-27 [26] But you believe not, because you are not of my sheep, as I said to you. [27], My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me
Jesus is the living Word of God *John 1:1-4; 14 that has given us His written Word. God's written Word is God's Word representing His voice. If we do not believe and follow His Word then we are not following Jesus according to the scriptures *Matthew 7:21.

According to the scriptures, no one has faith or has God's Spirit if they knowingly do not believe and follow God's Word when he gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word and we choose to reject God's Word in order to continue in a life of known unrepentant sin *Hebrews 10:26-31.

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So why not answer my questions?

Do you keep the law perfectly?

The Gospel is what your teaching against. The Gospel is that man is set free from sin, you teach man is confined under sin.

Romans 6:14 (ESV)
For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So why not answer my questions? Do you keep the law perfectly?

Why do you ask me to answer your questions yet you refuse to answer mine? Anyhow, I have never refused to answer your questions and will not do so here. Do you know what Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31 and James 4:17 mean and their application to growing in God's Grace and sanctification? These scriptures are directly related to your question. Let's see if you know their meaning before proceeding.

The Gospel is what your teaching against. The Gospel is that man is set free from sin, you teach man is confined under sin.

No you have it mixed up. The gospel is what I am teaching for as shown in the scriptures in this OP here linked. It is the "another gospel" that I am teaching against as shown through the scriptures here linked. What is it in these scriptures shared here that you disagree with?

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[Nathan@work]

I do not know of any questions I have bypassed? Sometimes you end a statement with a question mark, do you consider those actual questions?

I don’t disagree with any scripture. Why do you think I do?

The Gospel is the good news man is free from sin, yet the one your teaching puts bondage back onto man.

Do you keep the law perfectly?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I do not know of any questions I have bypassed? Sometimes you end a statement with a question mark, do you consider those actual questions?

I don’t disagree with any scripture. Why do you think I do?

The Gospel is the good news man is free from sin, yet the one your teaching puts bondage back onto man.

Do you keep the law perfectly?

You did not answer my questions again in the very post you are quoting from. If you do not want to it is ok just say so as you do not have to if you do not want to.

 

[Nathan@work]

Do you know what Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31 and James 4:17 mean and their application to growing in God's Grace and sanctification?

Yes, I know that they speak of.

Not sure if this was a rhetorical question or not, so I figured I would answer it so you didn’t think I was avoiding it.

 

[Nathan@work]

You did not answer my questions again in the very post you are quoting from. If you do not want to it is ok just say so as you do not have to if you do not want to.

I answered. How about you now?

Do you obey the law perfectly?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes, I know that they speak of.

Ok what do they mean?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I answered. How about you now?
Do you obey the law perfectly?

You did not answer my questions Nathan. As posted earlier you do not have to answer my questions if you do not want to although it is hard to have a discussion otherwise as what I asked you was directly related to your questions.

 

[Nathan@work]

You did not answer my questions Nathan. As posted earlier you do not have to answer my questions if you do not want to although it is hard to have a discussion otherwise as what I asked you was directly related to your questions.

I did answer them. But then you ask more without answering mine.

It seems you are avoiding mine by asking your own.

My question can be answered with a simple yes or no. You require me to go in depth.

Do you keep the law perfectly?