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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Quasar92, Nov 16, 2017.

  1. DavidPT

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    satan getting cast into the lake of fire is a major event. One would think, if John during these visions saw satan also getting cast into the lake of fire during this same period of time, he would have definitely made mention of it as well in ch 19. Yet he didn't. No mention of satan anywhere in the visions in chapter 19. Wonder why? Maybe because Rev 20 tells us why. He at that time instead of getting cast into the lake of fire as well, is bound in the bottomless pit instead. The same place the following were hoping Jesus wasn't going to send them at the time.

    Luke 8:30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.
    31 And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep(abussos).
    32 And there was there an herd of many swine feeding on the mountain: and they besought him that he would suffer them to enter into them. And he suffered them.
    33 Then went the devils out of the man, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the lake, and were choked.

    abussoV
    abussos
    ab'-us-sos
    from a - a 1 (as a negative particle) and a variation of buqoV - buthos 1037; depthless, i.e. (specially) (infernal) "abyss":--deep, (bottomless) pit.


    If this place isn't real, why did they desire Jesus not send them there?
     
  2. DavidPT

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    But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

    There's only one way to live again after having been dead, and that it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what that is. A resurrection of course. Alive people don't need to be resurrected, but dead people do. The text very plainly tells us that the rest of the dead remain dead during the thousand years. In order for them to live again requires they be resurrected. But per your view you already place both the resurrection of life, and the resurrection of damnation, occurring at the same time, which then leaves no resurrection remaining for the rest of the dead after the thousand years are finished. Rev 20 indicates only two resurrections---the first resurrection, the 2nd resurrection being when the rest of the dead live again.
     
  3. Truth7t7

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    You run from the subject of Matthew 25:31-46 below, why?

    Matthew 25:31-46 the "Final Judgment" "Eternal Life" "Eternal Kingdom" :)

    There will be no 1000 year kingdom on this earth at the return of Jesus Christ, as you claim in error.

    Matthew 25:31-46 clearly teaches at the return of Jesus Christ, The Final Judgement, Eternal Life, Eternal Kingdom takes place.

    Verses 31-32 Jesus returns with the holy angels, the nations are gathered before the "Great White Throne" for judgment.

    Verse 34 The "Eternal Kingdom" is presented to the righteous.

    Verse 41 The wicked are judged to the "Eternal Lake Of Fire"

    Verse 46 The righteous obtain "Eternal Life" and enter the "Eternal Kingdom" seen in verse 34

    Simple, And Very Clear

    Will you continue to teach in error, of a temporary 1000 year kingdom at the return of Jesus Christ, you have clearly been shown the truth of God's words?

    Jesus Christ Is Lord

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  4. Riberra

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    I am not "running away" i present you Scriptures to compare .... and you ignore them ----->your choice.

    There will be a 1,000 years reign of Jesus ,that is clearly mentioned in Revelation 20:4-6 -who will begin AT HIS COMING- it does not matter that you like it or not.
     
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  5. seventysevens

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    You never explain your rationale , could it be it is you don't have one?
    You won't even acknowledge scripture when it defeats your teaching you love to tell others they are wrong when it is you that is wrong

    This is a matter where you have to dig down and examine everything, ALL Gods Word is God breathed , To say that just because Jesus has returned that has to mean the heavens and earth are burned up at that time cannot be reconciled with scripture that point blank says that satan will be locked in the pit , .
    The reason satan is locked up is so that he cannot go out and deceive people for a duration of time . Even if we said that satan would be locked up for a generation , 100 years or even 20 years , the point is that satan is locked up , Why? because the world we live in now we are totally relying on FAITH that Jesus will return and life for those who believe in Christ will be much better when Jesus returns ,,
    Whereas the people who grow up under Jesus reign do not need to have faith that Jesus will return as he is here the total time that generation is born , so God has a plan for that generation that is different than our time , Then satan is released to see who he can deceive. ,
    satan/lucifer was able to convince 1/3 of the angels in heaven who spent their entire existence in the presence of Almighty God but yet still were deceived by lucifer to follow lucifer as he said he would be better than God himself.
    So you have a repeat of that situation replaying itself in the human realm during the 1000 year reign of Jesus , the amount of time , a generation or 100 years or 1000 years is not as important as the reason why satan is locked up ,

    So if the heavens are gone and all is replaced when Jesus returns is to say that the purpose God has spoken was a lie if it is replaced with saying that locking satan in the pit it will not happen

    Peter was NOT a prophet so it must be deeply studied to understand what he was referring to because Gods Word is True and just because man has determined it won't happen, does mean it is in truth when compared with the True word of God.
    Simply put you cannot throw out the baby with the bath water to suit your own preferred interpretation in place of what God Almighty has declared will happen.

    Your reasoning is likened unto the Jews of Jesus time where they had the OT scriptures about the Messiah , that he would be born of a virgin, die on the cross , not have his legs broken on the cross , a spear in his side, gambling lots for his clothes , and the 300+ other vivid literal prophecies that have come true 100% perfectly that told them all they needed to know who the Messiah would be ,
    but yet they chose to disregard and ignore them and decided for themselves what was right or wrong and we now know how wrong they were .....you can't just assume things......
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    8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

    9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.


    Consider that 36 inches , 3 ft and 1 yard are the very same distance even though there are number''s 36 , 3 and 1 they are the same

    Scripture tells us that a day with the Lord is as 1000 years with mankind, and 1000 years with mankind is as 1 day with the Lord . The spiritual/supernatural realm is the past present and future all in the now, as in there is no difference ,

    but just as when we need to make a comparison say, to know how many inches are in a mile we have a basis in which to make a comparison.

    Scripture is telling us that the closest we can come to comparing passage of time in the natural realm to that of the supernatural realm is 1000 years in the natural realm is as 1 day in the supernatural realm ,
    The scripture is also explaining the how's and why to those who say that God is taking too long to do some things as in drawing the plan of God to a close as so many people are suffering and why doesn't God do something to speed things up to stop the suffering.

    Explaining that God is longsuffering that he wants EVERYONE to have the chance to spend eternity with the Creator

    When scripture speaks of That Day of the Lord we do not see where it refers to a given day of the week as in Friday or Monday but the scripture in this context is making direct reference to the Day in the Lord is a one thousand year time span as that is the time span of a day in the supernatural realm

    This really fits perfectly with Rev 20.
    God is telling us that us that after the 1000 years satan is set free for a short time then he and all who he conned into following him are cast into the lake of fire, and death is defeated and from that point on the only realm that will exist is the spiritual/supernatural realm ,

    At the end of the Millennium- at the end of THAT Day of the Lord the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up

    which you need to take into account that the piece of the puzzle must line up with the rest of Gods plan of redemption !, between the 2 options of heavens passing away at the very instant of the start of the Lords Day and it happening at the end of the Lords Day
    the only choice that fits all of scripture of Gods plan of redemption is that the heavens and the earth pass away at the end of the Lord's Day
     
  6. DavidPT

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    Even though I'm Premil I see this making no sense if meaning a thousand years and a little season after the 2nd coming. There is only one day of the Lord to come, not two or more.

    2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

    Picture Jesus already being physically present for a thousand years. How then does it make sense that this event will happen like a thief in the night? Every other place it talks about a thief in the night in the NT, it generally has to do with Christ's 2nd coming. Why should this passage be different?
     
  7. seventysevens

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    what do you mean ,does not sound like what I said
    The Lord returns then the 1000 years reign begins I don't see 2 more either
    I think you just misread or did not understand , as I did not say Jesus would come again after he was here
     
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  8. Truth7t7

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    Amen Dave God's Spirit Is Working!

    Jesus Christ Will Return Immediately after the future tribulation Matthew 24:29-31

    Jesus Christ Will return as a thief in fire and judgment, 2 Peter 3:10-13, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, Micah 3:2, Luke 17:29-30, Revelation 20:9, 1 Corinthians 3:13

    The resurrection, judgment, glorified body received, eternal kingdom revealed, will take place in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Corinthians 15:52-54

    Your 100% correct, there will be no 1000 year Kingdom On This Earth, It Was Dissolved By Fire At The Lords Return 2 Peter 3:10-13 :)

    "Your Eyes Are Opened" God Does Perform Miracles!

    "The False Millennial Scenario"

    Well guy's your buddy Jesus returned, Im gonna hang out on earth, sitting on a throne for a thousand years, but im gonna be gone for a few minutes, I gotta jump up in the clouds and return as a thief, so all eyes can see me? :)
     
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    To say that just because Jesus has returned that has to mean the heavens and earth are burned up at that time cannot be reconciled with scripture that point blank says that satan will be locked in the pit , .
    The reason satan is locked up is so that he cannot go out and deceive people for a duration of time . Even if we said that satan would be locked up for a generation , 100 years or even 20 years , the point is that satan is locked up , Why? because the world we live in now we are totally relying on FAITH that Jesus will return and life for those who believe in Christ will be much better when Jesus returns ,,
    Whereas the people who grow up under Jesus reign do not need to have faith that Jesus will return as he is here the total time that generation is born , so God has a plan for that generation that is different than our time , Then satan is released to see who he can deceive. ,
    satan/lucifer was able to convince 1/3 of the angels in heaven who spent their entire existence in the presence of Almighty God but yet still were deceived by lucifer to follow lucifer as he said he would be better than God himself.
    So you have a repeat of that situation replaying itself in the human realm during the 1000 year reign of Jesus , the amount of time , a generation or 100 years or 1000 years is not as important as the reason why satan is locked up ,

    So if the heavens are gone and all is replaced when Jesus returns is to say that the purpose God has spoken was a lie if it is replaced with saying that locking satan in the pit it will not happen

    You cannot prove what you say so you intentionally ignore GODS WORD
    You have to in order to think you have a standing but it is not holding up any truth
     
  11. Davy

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    That is not true, as shown by some who came up against Jerusalem that will survive to Christ's Millennial reign per the end of Zech.14.

    The same change at the twinkling of an eye that will occur to the alive saints on earth is going to also happen to the unsaved who alive at that time. This is pointed to in Isaiah 25 where Apostle Paul was teaching from the idea of death being swallowed up.

    True, which is what the John 5:28-29 verses are about. (Why must I continually repeat myself on that?)
     
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    2Pe_2:4  For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;


    Jud_1:6  And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

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  13. Davy

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    Yes, 1 Thess.4 includes the alseep saints being resurrected on that day of Jesus' coming.

    Apostle Paul was teaching the death swallowed up in victory idea from Isaiah 25, which points to all... the nations, not just Christ's elect at His coming, and that does support what you say there, which I strongly believe also, i.e., that on the day of Jesus' return no one will be in flesh bodies anymore thereafter.

    But there WILL still exist the wicked that Jesus and His elect will reign over during His future thousand years reign, and Paul covered the how of that in 1 Cor.15 when he showed that to have eternal Life in Jesus Christ one must go through TWO CHANGES: 1. their corruptible body must put on incorruption, AND 2. their "this mortal" part must put on immortality.

    This is the real meaning of the "dead" of Rev.20:5 that so many brethren have a hard time understanding. In that future time, for a soul that is still 'mortal' and not saved by Christ Jesus, then that soul is still considered to be 'dead' because of being subject to the "second death".

    The "second death" is the casting into the "lake of fire" at the GWT Judgment after the 1,000 years. The first death is the death of the flesh body. The second death is destruction of one's spiritual body and mortal soul into that lake of fire.
     
  14. seventysevens

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    Once again you fail to understand what the scripture states outright

    Rev 20King James Version (KJV)
    20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
    2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

    3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
    7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

    8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

    When you remove and ignore all the scripture you show your refusal to accept GODS WORD
    doing that can have very bad consequences
     
  15. BABerean2

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    2Ti 4:1 I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom:



    Rev 11:15  And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
     


    Revelation 11:18


    (CJB)  "The Goyim raged. But now your rage has come, the time for the dead to be judged, the time for rewarding your servants the prophets and your holy people, those who stand in awe of your name, both small and great. It is also the time for destroying those who destroy the earth."

    (ESV)  The nations raged, but your wrath came, and the time for the dead to be judged, and for rewarding your servants, the prophets and saints, and those who fear your name, both small and great, and for destroying the destroyers of the earth."

    (Geneva)  And the Gentiles were angrie, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they shoulde be iudged, and that thou shouldest giue reward vnto thy seruants the Prophets, and to the Saintes, and to them that feare thy Name, to small and great, and shouldest destroy them, which destroy the earth.

    (GW)  The nations were angry, but your anger has come. The time has come for the dead to be judged: to reward your servants, the prophets, your holy people, and those who fear your name, no matter if they are important or unimportant, and to destroy those who destroy the earth."

    (LITV-TSP)  And the nations were full of wrath; and Your wrath came, and the time of the judging of the dead, and to give the reward to Your slaves, to the prophets, and to the saints, and to the ones fearing Your name, to the small and to the great, and to destroy those destroying the earth.

    (KJV)  And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

    (KJV+)  AndG2532 theG3588 nationsG1484 were angry,G3710 andG2532 thyG4675 wrathG3709 is come,G2064 andG2532 theG3588 timeG2540 of theG3588 dead,G3498 that they should be judged,G2919 andG2532 that thou shouldest giveG1325 rewardG3408 unto thyG4675 servantsG1401 theG3588 prophets,G4396 andG2532 to theG3588 saints,G40 andG2532 them that fearG5399 thyG4675 name,G3686 smallG3398 andG2532 great;G3173 andG2532 shouldest destroyG1311 them which destroyG1311 theG3588 earth.G1093


    (NKJV)  The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth."

    (YLT)  and the nations were angry, and Thine anger did come, and the time of the dead, to be judged, and to give the reward to Thy servants, to the prophets, and to the saints, and to those fearing Thy name, to the small and to the great, and to destroy those who are destroying the land.'


    Try to ignore Revelation 11:15, and Revelation 11:18 and maybe nobody will notice that the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.

    Just hope that they do not notice that Christ returns in Revelation 16:15-16 and also in chapter 19...

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  16. Davy

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    Not quite. You are forgetting what Apostle Paul taught about the resurrection in 1 Cor.15.

    In 1 Cor.15, Paul showed that to have eternal Life in Christ Jesus, we must go through 2 changes: 1. our corruptible must put on incorruption, AND 2. our "this mortal" (soul) must put on immortality. These are 4 separate Greek words in the manuscripts with four different meanings.

    The wicked dead, and wicked alive, will go into the "resurrection of damnation" on the day of our Lord Jesus' return (again, John 5:28-28 reveals this about the wicked dead). The wicked still alive on that day will go through Paul's change no.1 ONLY, because the 'dead' in Rev.20 will still be subject to what death? The "second death".

    There is a 1st death (of the flesh) and then there is a 2nd death (not of the flesh). The only TYPE of death remaining after Christ's return will be the "second death" which is to the resurrection body and mortal soul.

    So the error you and many others make about the idea of resurrection is NOT understanding that the "resurrection of damnation" is also a resurrection to the "spiritual body" Paul taught, but not unto Eternal Life in Christ Jesus. Thus the real meaning of the "dead" of Rev.20:5 is about still liable to die resurrected souls that will stand in judgment throughout Christ's future Millennial reign (like the synagogue of Satan), and some of them will come to Jesus in that time and be found in the Book at the GWT Judgment, their souls then putting on immortality.

    Didn't you guys study what our Lord Jesus taught about being 'born again'? and all the symbolic metaphors He gave for the wicked walking around like dead men? and the idea of the "new creature" Paul taught for those who have believed on Jesus Christ? Our belief on The Father through His Son Jesus Christ involved a literal change in our spirit/soul, especially with The Holy Spirit baptism. This is a real physical change in our soul, and it prepares our spirit/soul to put on immortality when Jesus returns. But the unsaved who refuse Christ Jesus don't have this change in their spirit/soul today, and thus they are 'dead' inside even while alive upon the earth. In Christ's future thousand years, it will be the same type of existence, just not with flesh bodies, but with the spiritual body Paul taught in 1 Cor.15.
     
  17. seventysevens

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    Get a grip you refuse to accept what Jesus says about satan being bound for 1000 years
    you have no comprehension of what that means , by posting things that are not regarding it


    Once again you fail to understand what the scripture states outright

    Rev 20King James Version (KJV)
    20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
    2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

    3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
    7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

    8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

    When you remove and ignore all the scripture you show your refusal to accept GODS WORD
    doing that can have very bad consequences
     
  18. DavidPT

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    I have been Premil ever since I can remember, for decades now. And for decades now I have also been concluding 2 Peter 3:10 occurs during the 2nd coming, and not a thousand years and a little season after Christ has arrived. This is not a new revelation to me by any means.
     
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    2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


    This is what the text states, particularily this-----But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night

    What I have underlined has to be meaning the initial arrival of the day of the Lord, and that the text indicates the day of the LOrd will initially arrive like a thief in the night. That places the rest of that verse occuring during the initial arriving of this day. But if this verse is instead meaning 1000 years and a little season after Christ has returned, it would have to be understood like such.


    But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night a thousand years and a little season after the second coming of Christ; in the which, at that time, the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


    Compared with----


    1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
    3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.


    This text also says the day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night. This has to be meaning the initial arriving of it as well. That makes two day of the Lord rather than one, if your interpretation of 2 Peter 3:10 is correct. As far as I know, no one would place 1 Thessalonians 5:3 a thousand years and a little season after the initial arriving of the day of the Lord per 1 Thessalonians 5:2, so why should anyone place the events in 2 Peter 3:10, in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, a thousand years and a little season after that of the 2nd coming, rather than during the initial arrival of this day instead?
     
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    Rev 16:15-17
    15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.


    16 And He gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

    17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
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