What is the purpose behind an eternal hell?

[Hieronymus]

It means you're replying with what you think and not what the bible actually says.

Where should i start quoting scripture on human disobedience?
And where would i stop?

...was it something i said..?

 

[DogmaHunter]

You're response is demonstrating my point.

What point would that be?

 

[DogmaHunter]

I would have to say it's you who don't undertand the account...and the repercussion.
...then you try to refute something you don't understand.

How exactly is what I stated in the post you're replying to, incorrect?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Why is it immoral? Unjust? Unfair?
...do you not know hao a represenative works?

Because justice is about punishing the people that actually did the crime. Mercy / forgiveness is the suspension of justice.

Because it is immoral to hold people accountable for crimes committed by others.

 

[DogmaHunter]

If a crowd of people are guilty of a crime...and stand before a judge....does the judge have to set any free or should the judge sentance them?
...Even if the judge "loves you"?

Does the guilt of the crowd of people disappear if the judge puts himself in jail?
Is it "justice" and "moral" to not only not punish the crowd of guilty people, but to even give them an eternal reward?

Because that's exactly what your religion is about.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Is this divine justice? Nope. What makes the judge worthy of going to jail for them?

How does that matter?

You may choose who the judge is and what his character is.

It doesn't matter at all to my question...

Is it "just" in any scenario where someone, anyone, else gets the punishment and the 10 raping murderers go free?

Actually, to make it a better analogy, the raping murderers not only "go free", they actually get an eternal reward on top of it.

 

[-57]

Where should i start quoting scripture on human disobedience?
And where would i stop?

...was it something i said..?

back in post 440 you said "Ah yes, but not all people choose to be saved."

I asked where the bible says people choose to be saved....so far you have struck out in your replies by not providing scripture that supports your opinion.

 

[-57]

What point would that be?

Your post showed you were ignorant on what scripture actually says. Your post are the typical cut-and-paste post...that have been answered a long time ago.

 

[-57]

How exactly is what I stated in the post you're replying to, incorrect?

You replied in post 447...and didn't get it quite right.
You refuse to understand the concept of original sin as well as federal headship.
Even if you disagree with it...you should at least get the christian understanding right.

 

[-57]

Because justice is about punishing the people that actually did the crime. Mercy / forgiveness is the suspension of justice.

Because it is immoral to hold people accountable for crimes committed by others.

Even if we wern't held responsible for Adam and Eve...there is still the repercussion...a sin nature...where you do sin against a Holy God.
Remove Adam and Eve from the equation and you're still guilty.

 

[-57]

Does the guilt of the crowd of people disappear if the judge puts himself in jail?
Is it "justice" and "moral" to not only not punish the crowd of guilty people, but to even give them an eternal reward?

Because that's exactly what your religion is about.

In the analogy, yes. The guilt disappears. The guilt is imputed to the "judge".
If it wasn't for our sins being imputed to Christ and His righteousness being imputed to the believers...then no one would be saved.

I also find it kinda ironic how you an atheist can base anything on morals. On your standards that in which morals are based upon which way the wind is blowing today.

 

[-57]

How does that matter?

You may choose who the judge is and what his character is.

It doesn't matter at all to my question...

Is it "just" in any scenario where someone, anyone, else gets the punishment and the 10 raping murderers go free?

Actually, to make it a better analogy, the raping murderers not only "go free", they actually get an eternal reward on top of it.

So, it's your opinion that God shouldn't have incarnated and died for mans sins. No one should be saved. You would deny me the agape love of God. You would have me believe that God isn't loving.

...As I have said, you are ignorant on who God is. I say no thanks to atheism.

 

[Hieronymus]

back in post 440 you said "Ah yes, but not all people choose to be saved."

I asked where the bible says people choose to be saved....so far you have struck out in your replies by not providing scripture that supports your opinion.

I'll discuss this with someone else sometime.
Thanks for your time.

 

[-57]

I'll discuss this with someone else sometime.
Thanks for your time.

I hope you'll open your bible and use scripture to present your case. Otherwise it's just your fallible opinion against the bible.

 

[Hieronymus]

I hope you'll open your bible and use scripture to present your case. Otherwise it's just your fallible opinion against the bible.

No i mean someone who is interested in a conversation.

 

[-57]

No i mean someone who is interested in a conversation.

You said something on a christian forum...and YOU as a christian..should be able to back it up with scripture.
Part of the conversation requires that.

But if you don't want to use the bible to support your claim...what can I say?

The question in our converation to you was....where does the bible say you choose Jesus?

 

[Hieronymus]

You said something on a christian forum...and YOU as a christian..should be able to back it up with scripture.
Part of the conversation requires that.

But if you don't want to use the bible to support your claim...what can I say?

The question in our converation to you was....where does the bible say you choose Jesus?

A, but i mentioned not choosing Christ, turning a deaf ear, perhaps permanently.
Not wanting to hear it, not turning from the flesh and towards God, despite being aware this could be of vital importance.
It's human behaviour.

Sure i see your point, but we're both wasting several messages on nothing...

So i wish you a nice day and God bless.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Your post showed you were ignorant on what scripture actually says. Your post are the typical cut-and-paste post...that have been answered a long time ago.

Can you please just answer the question instead of repeating your claim?

 

[DogmaHunter]

You replied in post 447...and didn't get it quite right.
You refuse to understand the concept of original sin as well as federal headship.
Even if you disagree with it...you should at least get the christian understanding right.

Again, can you please just answer the question?

I asked how, specifically, what I stated was incorrect.
Simply repeating that it was incorrect, is not an answer to that question.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Even if we wern't held responsible for Adam and Eve...there is still the repercussion...a sin nature...where you do sin against a Holy God. Remove Adam and Eve from the equation and you're still guilty.

Guilty of what? Being born a human?
How am I responsible for that?