Just want to ensure I am clear as to what you were trying to say.So it was not only with those who were there that day but was it made only with Israel?
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They understood the covenant was made with their nation Israel not just one generation.
Isn't that what I said?Just want to ensure I am clear as to what you were trying to say.So it was not only with those who were there that day but was it made only with Israel?
Isn't that what I said?
If you're trying to say the law applied to other nations, I'd have to say no.So could you say why God burdened Israel with this covenant and let the other nations go free?
If you're trying to say the law applied to other nations, I'd have to say no.
However, it did still stand as a witness against the nations. As an example of what will happen when the nations refuse the commands of God given through the Spirit under the new covenant. The law that applied to Israel was to cause they who it applied to, and the nations it did not, to realize the universal need for Jesus.If you're trying to say the law applied to other nations, I'd have to say no.
I'm very sorry but I don't try to understand the rhyme or reason God does certain things.You have not answered the question.Let me repeat and expand on the same.
So could you say why God burdened Israel with this covenant and let the other nations go free?
Did the other nations have a free pass to salvation?Or is it that they were simply already condemned?
Did they have a different standard than Israel for the sins and abominations they were frequently accused of?Why were they judged for these sins and abominations and what defined their actions as such?
I don't believe nations see things that way.However, it did still stand as a witness against the nations. As an example of what will happen when the nations refuse the commands of God given through the Spirit under the new covenant. The law that applied to Israel was to cause they who it applied to, and the nations it did not, to realize the universal need for Jesus.
Romans 11
28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs,
29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.
30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience,
31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you.
32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
When the nations see Israel bound up and offered as a sacrifice for her disobedience they should be thinking about the mercy God had on them when they were in the same condition of disobedience. Even though never given the law it witnesses against all who are disobedient to God. God humbled Israel with a law he did not give the nations. So the nations would see the ramifications of disobedience. Then, when the law of the Spirit is applied to all the nations of the world (including Israel) as it is through Jesus today, you will have the example of what NOT to do, and what happens when you disobey. Jesus is Israel's example, and the worlds. And so Jesus redeems us both. He represented Israel being bound and sacrificed, and redeemed. If you are a child of Abraham you understand these things. Because the Spirit has taught and reminded you of them.
Need a much more specific time frame reference.So what were people doing for the hundreds of years before the New Testament was written?
Well can we first determine what we mean by being born again? According to all the teachings of Christianity, being born again is a process of water baptism and chrismation. Afterwards one is expected to participate in the sacramental life of the Church.
Being born again or more correctly born from above is an act that only God can perform. We cannot, by works like eating a wafer, and drinking some wine or being water baptized and being Chrismated force God to choose us to be His children. John 6:63 “The Holy Spirit alone gives eternal life. Human effort accomplishes nothing.” John 6:44 “For no one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them to me, and at the last day I will raise them up.” John 15:16 “You didn’t choose me. I chose you. I appointed you to go and produce lasting fruit, so that the Father will give you whatever you ask for, using my name.” Eph 2:8 “God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you cannot take credit for this; it is a gift from God. Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done so none of us can boast about it."
I'm really not sure what you're saying here. Do you consider believing, being baptized, and being chrismated as somehow forcing God to do something?
Amen! what is going on here at CF is some are demanding we leave Who has already chosen us and follow them.Being born again or more correctly born from above is an act that only God can perform. We cannot, by works like eating a wafer, and drinking some wine or being water baptized and being Chrismated force God to choose us to be His children. John 6:63 “The Holy Spirit alone gives eternal life. Human effort accomplishes nothing.” John 6:44 “For no one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them to me, and at the last day I will raise them up.” John 15:16 “You didn’t choose me. I chose you. I appointed you to go and produce lasting fruit, so that the Father will give you whatever you ask for, using my name.” Eph 2:8 “God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you cannot take credit for this; it is a gift from God. Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done so none of us can boast about it."
Many do.I'm really not sure what you're saying here. Do you consider believing, being baptized, and being chrismated as somehow forcing God to do something?
Amen! what is going on here at CF is some are demanding that we leave Him who has already chosen us and we are supposed follow them instead.
There seems to be a holy war about what the Christian is obligated to preform after being born again. I'd like to see both sides of this war supported with Scripture.
Well can we first determine what we mean by being born again? According to all the teachings of Christianity, being born again is a process of water baptism and chrismation. Afterwards one is expected to participate in the sacramental life of the Church.
Well the bible says "do not forsake the assembling of yourselves together", "if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive", "Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day".
That describes the sacramental life of the Church more or less.
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