What is the Lord's Day?

[Adventist Dissident]

your poll options seem to be designed to be intentionally polemic
each one has some sardonic wording or phrase rendering it unselectable
The Lord's Day is not synonymous with Sabbath in any way, that eliminates choices 1, 2, and 3.
Nor is it a replacment for the other and there is no usurping. Calling either a 'service' is diminishing to both days, services may take place on those days but that is not the definition of the day itself.
That eliminates choice 4.
Choice 5 seems to be added for no other reason than to garner negative reaction(s), so not 5

Therefore, my answer is none of the above.

you are making this harder than it is supposed to be. This is not a theological treaty or a dissertation on the subject, but just to see where people's views are at. It is a summary of the major answers to the question of what Is the Lord's day. It is not a pledge or commitment or a statement of faith, just a measurement of how do you generally see it. where do you fit on this catagory.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

moved

again, does not clarify anything.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

it was political in nature. That is the problem. When the Lord's Day became associated with the Church-State Alliance, that is when it usurped the Sabbath. When it became associated with Roman State Warfare, people hid in the synagogue and abandoned the Lord's Day. In order to stop this and foster loyalty to the State, the banned the Dabbath

Well, neither Canada nor the USA or Europe can be considered Church States, it is now custom. A good and faithful custom.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Well, neither Canada nor the USA or Europe can be considered Church States, it is now custom. A good and faithful custom.

ok, custom or tradition. I think you are missing the point.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

you are going to have to prove the council was local and not universal because the effect says otherwise.

lol it is historical fact. There is nothing to prove. It was NOT an ecumenical Council and was only a local synod, which does not even apply now.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

ok, custom or tradition. I think you are missing the point.

Fair, because I figure you are missing the point.

 

[Soyeong]

Canon XXIX.

Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord’s Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.
Notes.

Ancient Epitome of Canon XXIX.

A Christian shall not stop work on the Sabbath, but on the Lord’s Day.
Balsamon.
Here the Fathers order that no one of the faithful shall stop work on the Sabbath as do 149the Jews, but that they should honour the Lord’s Day, on account of the Lord’s resurrection, and that on that day they should abstain from manual labour and go to church. But thus abstaining from work on Sunday they do not lay down as a necessity, but they add, “if they can.” For if through need or any other necessity any one worked on the Lord’s day this was not reckoned against him.

29: Banned from "resting" on the Sabbath. Like the Jews. so you have to break the Sabbath.

30: you can Rest on the Lord's Day. hum... That is the practice and recommendation of the Catholic and Orthodox Church to this day. so it clearly was not regional.

In Matthew 4:15-23, Christ began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and God's law is his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message, including repenting from breaking the Sabbath. Furthermore, Christ set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to God's law, including keeping the Sabbath holy, and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6). So Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey God's law by word and by example, Christians are people who seek by faith to follow what Christ taught by word and by example, and it is contradictory for the Ancient Epitome of Canon to rule that Christians must not follow Christ. Paul's problem with the Judaizers was not that they were teaching Gentiles how to follow Christ, but that they were wanting to require Gentiles to have first obeyed works of the law in order to become justified.

When God has commanded something and they taught that Christians must rebel against God, then you have a decision to make about who has the higher authority and whether to follow God or them. The bottom line is that we must obey God rather than man, so we should be quicker to disregard everything man has said in the Ancient Epitome of Canon than to disregard anything that God has commanded.

 

[chevyontheriver]

you are going to have to prove the council was local and not universal because the effect says otherwise.

That's exceptionally easy to do. Is the 'council of Laodicea' recognized by the Catholic Church as an ecumenical council? Is it on their lists as such. If not it is a local synod and has no universal effect. Is the 'council of Laodicea' recognized by the Orthodox Churches as an ecumenical council? Is it on their lists as such?

 

[chevyontheriver]

you are making this harder than it is supposed to be. This is not a theological treaty or a dissertation on the subject, but just to see where people's views are at. It is a summary of the major answers to the question of what Is the Lord's day. It is not a pledge or commitment or a statement of faith, just a measurement of how do you generally see it. where do you fit on this catagory.

People's views are at ... none of the above.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

none of the above is not an option, if you want to write what you think the Lord's Day is in a simple and concise manner, I might advocate for adding it.
The Lord's Day is......

 

[chevyontheriver]

none of the above is not an option, if you want to write what you think the Lord's Day is in a simple and concise manner, I might advocate for adding it.
The Lord's Day is......

None of the above is the non-option most people have gone with. As creator of the poll, you get to pick the options you want. But as readers of the poll everyone gets to decide if the options fit their understandings. So far not so much. What does your poll tell you when a plurality of respondents can't find even one of your options that fit them?

 

[Adventist Dissident]

None of the above is the non-option most people have gone with. As creator of the poll, you get to pick the options you want. But as readers of the poll everyone gets to decide if the options fit their understandings. So far not so much. What does your poll tell you when a plurality of respondents can't find even one of your options that fit them?

I know how this works I don't need a lecture thank you, tells me that there are more options out there. It tells me that they need to to find what it is they believe and pitch it as an idea. You're taking this way too seriously.

 

[chevyontheriver]

I know how this works I don't need a lecture thank you, tells me that there are more options out there. It tells me that they need to to find what it is they believe and pitch it as an idea. You're taking this way too seriously.

Enjoy your poll.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Enjoy your poll.

i will

 

[Adventist Dissident]

None of the above is the non-option most people have gone with. As creator of the poll, you get to pick the options you want. But as readers of the poll everyone gets to decide if the options fit their understandings. So far not so much. What does your poll tell you when a plurality of respondents can't find even one of your options that fit them?

there not trying hard enough.

 

[The Liturgist]

it was political in nature. That is the problem. When the Lord's Day became associated with the Church-State Alliance, that is when it usurped the Sabbath. When it became associated with Roman State Warfare, people hid in the synagogue and abandoned the Lord's Day. In order to stop this and foster loyalty to the State, the banned the Dabbath

That never happened. It is a a variation on the Landmark Baptist mythological history of an underground church, propagated uncritically by Ellen G. White, who contrary to all historical evidence claims the Paulicans, Bogomils and Albigenses were not, when in fact they were Docetic, and also makes the same claim about the Waldensians, whose early beliefs were sufficiently aligned with mainline Protestantism that those who survived the genocide against them in Piedmont joined with the Calvinists in Geneva, and later merged with the Italian Methodists to form the largest Protestant church in Italy, which worships on a Sunday. There is also a Waldensian parish in the PCUSA.

 

[The Liturgist]

there not trying hard enough.

On the contrary, we cannot concede to your choice of terminology.

 

[prodromos]

The Lord's Day is the eighth day.

 

[The Liturgist]

The Lord's Day is the eighth day.

Amen. That is why we Orthodox celebrate Pascha at midnight on Easter Sunday, rather than in the morning, because the four hour liturgy ends just before sunrise, anticipating the dawn of the New Life in the World to Come we confess in the most holy and canonical Nicene Creed as amended at the Second Holy Ecumenical Synod in Constantinople in the Year of our Lord 381.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

The Lord's Day is the eighth day.

Ok, now we're getting somewhere, now you are trying. How did that relate to the 7th day?