What is the Falsification for Abiogenesis and Theory of Evolution?

[dlamberth]

The philosophy derived from that type of thinking certainly does.

How so?

 

[renniks]

You never cease to amaze, but crawl into a hole if that is your desire.

It's biblical to not listen to godless people. I don't think the writers spent all that ink and animal skin so modern Christians would ignore that advice.

 

[renniks]

Who agree with Dawkins about the science, even though they may disagree with his atheism.

Not necessarily.

 

[Speedwell]

Not necessarily.

There are a few who don't, but for the most part they have abandoned legitimate scientific research and gone to work for creationists ministries.

 

[Hans Blaster]

It's biblical to not listen to godless people. I don't think the writers spent all that ink and animal skin so modern Christians would ignore that advice.

Then maybe for your own good you should retreat to the Christians-only portion of CF, or convince the owners that the rest of us should be banished.

 

[renniks]

Then maybe for your own good you should retreat to the Christians-only portion of CF, or convince the owners that the rest of us should be banished.

I'm not listening to your advice, trust me.
I'm talking about taking advice or wisdom or knowledge from certain people, not having a conversation with them.

 

[Speedwell]

I'm not listening to your advice, trust me.
I'm talking about taking advice or wisdom or knowledge from certain people, not having a conversation with them.

I don't know what you do for a living, but have you ever taken engineering or business advise from an atheist?

 

[renniks]

I don't know what you do for a living, but have you ever taken engineering or business advise from an atheist?

It's not really the same thing, but how would I know?

1 Corinthians 3:19-20 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God, since it is written: He catches the wise in their craftiness; and again, The Lord knows that the reasonings of the wise are meaningless.

Wisdom according to secular thinking is meaningless reasoning. It's the big flaw to the so called age of reason. A person relying on his own wisdom can reason anything away or reason himself into believing anything.

 

[Speedwell]

It's not really the same thing,

]It's exactly the same thing. You are claiming that a Christian should not take science advice from an atheist.

but how would I know?

If you knew would it make a difference? Would you reject the advice because it came from an atheist?

 

[renniks]

]It's exactly the same thing. You are claiming that a Christian should not take science advice from an atheist.If you knew would it make a difference? Would you reject the advice because it came from an atheist?

The Science of the past is not hard science. It's highly open to interpretation. It's not at all the same as taking business advice from someone.

 

[Speedwell]

The Science of the past is not hard science. It's highly open to interpretation. It's not at all the same as taking business advice from someone.

Whatever you think "hard science" is, but OK. Let me ask the question another way: you wouldn't take "science of the past" from an atheist; would you take it from a theist* who thought biblical creationism was bunk?

*It's possible that you don't think that Christians who reject biblical creationism are "real" Christians, but it would be hard for you to maintain that they are not theists.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

It's not really the same thing, but how would I know?

1 Corinthians 3:19-20 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God, since it is written: He catches the wise in their craftiness; and again, The Lord knows that the reasonings of the wise are meaningless.

Wisdom according to secular thinking is meaningless reasoning. It's the big flaw to the so called age of reason. A person relying on his own wisdom can reason anything away or reason himself into believing anything.

And you apparently deem yourself wise, or do you deem yourself stupid? Either way, you might want to think again.

 

[AV1611VET]

And you apparently deem yourself wise, or do you deem yourself stupid?

Just out of curiosity, how do you deem yourself?

(And before you answer, keep in mind what "Homo sapiens" means.)

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

Just out of curiosity, how do you deem yourself?

(And before you answer, keep in mind what "Homo sapiens" means.)

I think in terms of general understanding, that childhood expression of "when you point at me, there are three fingers pointing back at you" may be relevant to many who respond with pithy bible quotes.

 

[renniks]

And you apparently deem yourself wise, or do you deem yourself stupid? Either way, you might want to think again.

I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean?
I am only wise to the extent that I follow God's wisdom. It's not hard to find. The Bible is full of business advice for example.

 

[renniks]

Whatever you think "hard science" is, but OK. Let me ask the question another way: you wouldn't take "science of the past" from an atheist; would you take it from a theist* who thought biblical creationism was bunk?

*It's possible that you don't think that Christians who reject biblical creationism are "real" Christians, but it would be hard for you to maintain that they are not theists.

Don't mean to shock you, but I don't judge people as real or unreal Christians based on how they view creation.
I just put what scripture says above what other Christians say.

 

[Speedwell]

Don't mean to shock you, but I don't judge people as real or unreal Christians based on how they view creation.
I just put what scripture says above what other Christians say.

Really I am just trying to understand the creationist fascination with Dawkins. He seems more important to creationists than to the rest of us.

 

[AV1611VET]

I think in terms of general understanding, that childhood expression of "when you point at me, there are three fingers pointing back at you" may be relevant to many who respond with pithy bible quotes.

I like to salt my posts with Scripture at times.

Sometimes someone will ask me for a Scripture reference on Embedded Age, or Eternal Security, or even my belief that the universe is expanding according to God's word.

 

[Bradskii]

That's not true according to Dawkins. He constantly uses scientific theory to put down religion.

Paaarp. Sorry, no cigar.

Dawkins isn't simply anti-religion. In fact, if you checked, he quite likes some aspects of Anglicanism (in which he and I were both brought up). And, big surprise here, he doesn't class himself as an atheist, but as an agnostic. I think that he thinks that atheism is generally taken to be hard atheism (there is no God). And he's a scientist. So it goes completely against the grain to state that he believes in anything with 100% certainty. In fact, on a scale of 0 to 7 (don't know why he picked 7) he says his lack of belief is a six. Which is a lot less than mine...

No, if you've read any of his books (and from previous discussion, you have only read what people have said about him) then you would see that what he argues against is fundamentalist thinking. And the people he derides aren't Christians per se. But those like yourself who hold to fundamentalist beliefs in the face of painfully obvious scientific evidence.

He's not putting down religion. He's putting down you.

 

[AV1611VET]

He's not putting down religion. He's putting down you.

Well he can come here and try and put me down if he wants.

He's a joke.

But then we all are in our own way.

He needs Christ.