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what is the evidence that universe is 13.7B years old?

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So your god just tricks people in to thinking the universe is old and expanding by creating light en route to us to be detected in our telescopes?

[Later we can talk about what you do or do not know about what science is.]
 
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It's unfortunate there some who view science as the enemy and worse still consider Christians who embrace science as not being true Christians.


I was just thinking the same thing.
 
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It's a fact, the dimmest stars you see in the sky are where they were thousands to millions of years ago. The Bible is 100% Faith based, where as Science is 100% fact, this is coming from a Christian, and I'm not afraid of the truth.
You have faith the it’s millions of years clearly. When the planets were created the light was already placed in transit to see it immediately. You force the other way around without actual observable evidence of that. Nice try though, nice try.
 
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You have faith the it’s millions of years clearly. When the planets were created the light was already placed in transit to see it immediately. You force the other way around without actual observable evidence of that. Nice try though, nice try.

The planets in our solar system?
 
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So your god just tricks people in to thinking the universe is old and expanding by creating light en route to us to be detected in our telescopes?

[Later we can talk about what you do or do not know about what science is.]
No you tricked yourself clearly. Not God’s problem people lie for their imaginative stories. A light year is a distance measurement not proof of age.

A light-year, alternatively spelled light year, is a large unit of length used to express astronomical distances and is equivalent to about 9.46 trillion kilometers, or 5.88 trillion miles.

It’s a distance. You folks imagine and assume things to your own destruction. There’s no evidence 100% either way. So stop lying.
 
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The planets in our solar system?

all planets and suns and all objects that make up the stars in the vast trillions and trillions of them near and far far away in all the universe. All the light in its position to see them. Heck maybe we’ll get to travel to see all of them in the second life. Only if you choose it. But seems like you choose assumptions for some other heart related reasons.
 
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My heart has nothing to do with this (as long as it keeps beating). Just answer the question.

Does your claim about light being created en route from planets include the planets in our system?
 
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My heart has nothing to do with this (as long as it keeps beating). Just answer the question.

Does your claim about light being created en route from planets include the planets in our system?
Our resident science hater has been hit head on by Olber's paradox.
 
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My heart has nothing to do with this (as long as it keeps beating). Just answer the question.

Does your claim about light being created en route from planets include the planets in our system?
Yes.

and yes your heart is part of the problem (spiritual problem). You know but you’re just being arrogant. Exactly the heart problem I was talking about.
 
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It's a fact, the dimmest stars you see in the sky are where they were thousands to millions of years ago. The Bible is 100% Faith based, where as Science is 100% fact, this is coming from a Christian, and I'm not afraid of the truth.

100 percent fact is a bit of a stretch
 
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Actually a light year is a rather *small* unit of distance to an astronomer. The only things within a light year of Earth are in the Solar system.
 
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Yes.

and yes your heart is part of the problem (spiritual problem). You know but you’re just being arrogant. Exactly the heart problem I was talking about.

Arrogance isn't a heart problem. It's a mind problem. In this case what you are labeling arrogance is just me tossing aside your ridiculous claims about things in space. (and they are so very ridiculous)

And since you've finally answered (after multiple inquiries) my question about the light from planets in our Solar System being created already in transit. I should let you know that even your trickster version of a god wouldn't need to do that since the travel time for light to the various planets visible in our sky is at most a couple hours. Which we can absolutely measure and for light -- travel time and distance are interchangeable.
 
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Actually a light year is a rather *small* unit of distance to an astronomer. The only things within a light year of Earth are in the Solar system.

again light measurement is a distance. Yes I know it’s a small measure of distance. It’s still measuring distance. It isn’t proof of how that light was already in motion or not. Furthermore, the way they do measurements is also problematic for measuring things more than 100 light years away. Since they use trigonometry, the angle to measure the difference of the distance of a star 6 months apart do to the rotation of earth around the sun, the distance is too far to even make enough of a difference in the angle. Using other methods also has flaws.

but even so, even if we give the measurements the benefit of a doubt, there’s no evidence the light wasn’t already in its position when everything was created instantly and set in motion for our wonderful physics. But like any science, man add stories to the science making it pseudoscience or philosophy. It’s what the eugenics program did and so did the Nazis. It’s just an example that large large groups of scientists have lied for their own selfish gain or desires.
 
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You’re the trickster being willingly ignorant of the other possibility. If you want to imply willingly forcefully incorrectly on the data. That’s your own problem and the other men that do this willingly. You got problems bud.
 
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you do math and get the wrong answers, therefore you blame your teachers all the time when they gave you the proper tools and you decided to make a story out of your answers.
 
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must "remove the heart of stone" and replace it with "a heart of flesh" (Ezekiel 36:26)

clearly you love twisting things to your own self destruction to mock the bible and other things. The heart is simply a symbolic meaning of like “hard headed ness” of our language today. But you would arrogantly mock this saying also. Oh right you probably don’t since it’s not quoted from the Bible. Anything that comes from the Bible you must mock.
 
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Don't let the facts get in the way.
(1 pc = 3.26 light years)
There you do with the Nazis again!!!!
 
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Wow, you wrote a lot in that post, Andre. That's amazing!! What amazes me even more is that it looks like you did so without reading a word of what I said in my previous post, because from the context of what I said, you responded to none of it and proceeded to move along your own tangents, ones which I didn't even touch upon.

 
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That's cool! I've been aware of Dyson, but I didn't know these details about him. That's interesting. Thanks for sharing that.
 
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