what is the evidence that universe is 13.7B years old?

[Hans Blaster]

Science is supposed to show us what we know on something based on the evidence. It’s to give us knowledge. Seriously dude.

1. A systematic method or body of knowledge in a given area.

You are so desperate to deny any of my information given. What arrogance.

I'll let you know when there is any useful information in your posts.

 

[Andre_b]

Physical cosmology (the science the Big Bang Theory is part of) is a science, not a "philosophy". (ANd just in case you feel the urge to claim otherwise, it is not a religion otherwise.)



Nope there is lots of evidence for it starting with Hubble's observations of receding galaxies a hundred years ago.



BBT isn't a "fad". It's been around for a century. And why are you talking about Nazi's. "Godwin" much?



Yes, gnosis = knowledge, not science. The KJV usage is antiquated and does not reflect modern usage of either word.




I wouldn't go playing with matches if I were you. (And quit laughing at others posts.)

The Big Bang uses SOME science and people mix it with philosophy deeply to fool each other into believing it’s actual science. It’s the trickery.


just for you folks: Is a Popular Theory of Cosmic Creation Pseudoscience?

 

[Hans Blaster]

There’s actually much more but you clearly don’t want the science because the science is already showing it to be a pretty terrible theory,

Nope. There is lots of evidence for the big bang generally, and he 13.7 Gyr age of the Universe specifically. Some of it has been shown in this thread and you might get more if you weren't so busy writing spiteful messages at the rest of us. Instead we respond to your bloviations. What a waste of time.

hence why many have already been looking for other ones and new philosophies to come up with like the Egyptians and Greeks and Romans and Babylonians and Pagans, etc do

Neither the Egyptians, the Greeks, the Romans, or the Babylonians are in anyway "new". I have no use for pagans and their unreal gods.

 

[Andre_b]

You are one hopelessly confused individual; its not up to me to explain the problem of an infinite angular velocity at the Big Bang to account for angular momentum of galaxies or planets irrespective of whether motion is retrograde or not, the onus is on you.

It appears my question is beyond your capacity for comprehension.

Oh I thought you knew how it worked? Aren’t you folks the science gurus who are always more intelligent than us creatards as you folks usually call believers?

 

[Hans Blaster]

The Big Bang uses SOME science and people mix it with philosophy deeply to fool each other into believing it’s actual science. It’s the trickery.

You've provided no examples or evidence for this in the text of any of your posts, just baseless accusations.

just for you folks: Is a Popular Theory of Cosmic Creation Pseudoscience?

Oh great (eyeroll), that hack Horgan.

 

[Andre_b]

That doesn't in anyway answer my question. It is just an insult. (And why would you think I am ignorant of cosmology?)

So I ask again:

The photons are placed there by what trickster to fool us into thinking the scientific BB model explains the data?

THERES NO BB MODEL THAT SHOWS ANY OF THE BILLIONS OF YEARS NONSENSE.

actually the big bang breaks the laws of physics… much much faster than the speed of light.
Furthermore current scientists say: “(Read more about how Henrietta Leavitt changed our view of the Universe.)

If the Universe is really expanding faster than we thought, it might be much younger than the currently accepted 13.8 billion years.”


Furthermore this is the scientific community itself explaining that the universe expanded tremendously faster than the speed of light:


the misconception that nothing can travel faster than light. No physical object can move faster than light, but plenty of non-physical things can. For example, take the straight line =+

y

=

m

x

+

c

. If one varies

c, the x-intercept of the line also changes. It's possible that this x-intercept moves faster than light for a suitably small

m. The caveat is that this intercept is a mathematical point, and it cannot be used to transfer information. Relativity isn't violated.


In the case of the universe's expansion, the physical objects in the universe aren't moving faster than light, but they can appear to do so because space is expanding. Let's take Alice and Bob, separated by one meter, and let the space between them expand at some rate. There's no speed-of-light limit on how fast this rate can be. If space expands by a billion meters per second, then one second later, Alice and Bob would be separated by a billion and one meters, but they wouldn't have traveled faster than the speed of light since from their own point of view, they're both stationary.


In the same way, our best guess of the current universe is that the expansion is speeding up. A very far away object might eventually appear to recede from us faster than the speed of light. Relativity remains unviolated, although it means that we'll eventually be causally disconnected from these faraway objects (that is, we cannot affect or even observe them, and vice versa). Something of this sort - exponentially-increasing expansion - happened in the very early universe.


“Here are some fun milestones, going back in time, that you may appreciate:

The diameter of the Milky Way is 100,000 light years; the observable Universe had this as its radius when it was approximately 3 years old.”


There’s more than this as well with experiments of speeding up light faster than what it’s said to be measured. Etc


Let’s not think of the expansion theory of the two people and think of the possibility of this:

“He Who stretches out the heavens as a curtain, and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in.” (Isaiah 40:22)


God spread out the heavens, stretching them out like a curtain. (See, e.g., Job 9:8; Psalm 104:2; Isaiah 40:22 & 42:5 & 45:12.)… There’s your redshift.

 

[Andre_b]

Yes, that is your claim. Now WHO PUT IT THERE? Is there someone or is this just an idle claim sans evidence.

Says you that has no evidence. It’s your problem if you are willingly ignorantly following liars. You’re the one that made up a fantasy to suit your lifestyle like the Egyptians did. People followed the Nazis to their own destruction willingly knowing it was evil. You willingly focus on one side of the story and cry because you don’t want God to exist. Ego issues of never being able to admit being wrong is major problem in people. It’s a heart issue.

 

[Andre_b]

Yes, that is your claim. Now WHO PUT IT THERE? Is there someone or is this just an idle claim sans evidence.

Here read your own scientists showing you the evidence of age of the universe is all a made up fantasy fairytale:

Your own scientists claim the universe measurement would be 100,000 years but was only 3 years old because of the breaking the laws of physics to fit the fairytales:

The diameter of the Milky Way is 100,000 light years; the observable Universe had this as its radius when it was approximately 3 years old.”

In the case of the universe's expansion, the physical objects in the universe aren't moving faster than light, but they can appear to do so because space is expanding. Let's take Alice and Bob, separated by one meter, and let the space between them expand at some rate. There's no speed-of-light limit on how fast this rate can be. If space expands by a billion meters per second, then one second later, Alice and Bob would be separated by a billion and one meters, but they wouldn't have traveled faster than the speed of light since from their own point of view, they're both stationary.


In the same way, our best guess of the current universe is that the expansion is speeding up. A very far away object might eventually appear to recede from us faster than the speed of light. Relativity remains unviolated, although it means that we'll eventually be causally disconnected from these faraway objects (that is, we cannot affect or even observe them, and vice versa). Something of this sort - exponentially-increasing expansion - happened in the very early universe.


“Here are some fun milestones, going back in time, that you may appreciate:

The diameter of the Milky Way is 100,000 light years; the observable Universe had this as its radius when it was approximately 3 years old.”

 

[Andre_b]

You folks are the tricksters by saying it’s an age measurement when it’s a DISTANCE measurement. You force the wrong beliefs on yourself that’s your own problem.

Just repent of the ignorance you once held. It’s simple. You were arrogant thinking you know how the universe is made in details. 100% arrogance of all scientist.

 

[AV1611VET]

Still not answering. You have claimed that photons are placed in flight towards us and that is why we silly scientists are fooled into thinking things like the BB are accurate. So what trickster put the photons in flight to Earth to fool us?

One of the reasons God sent us those photons was for signs.

Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

Taking them and using them to accuse God of being a trickster is akin to biting the hand that's feeding you.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Says you that has no evidence. It’s your problem if you are willingly ignorantly following liars. You’re the one that made up a fantasy to suit your lifestyle like the Egyptians did. People followed the Nazis to their own destruction willingly knowing it was evil. You willingly focus on one side of the story and cry because you don’t want God to exist. Ego issues of never being able to admit being wrong is major problem in people. It’s a heart issue.

Still not answering. Sigh. This isn't about me.

You have claimed that the light coming from distant astronomical objects have not been in transit for millions or billions of years but was placed in route to us so it would arrive after a much shorter period (a few thousand years I assume, but you haven't said as far as I know). If this claim of yours is true, who put the light in the beams close enough to arrive with in the shorter time?

 

[Andre_b]

Still not answering. Sigh. This isn't about me.

You have claimed that the light coming from distant astronomical objects have not been in transit for millions or billions of years but was placed in route to us so it would arrive after a much shorter period (a few thousand years I assume, but you haven't said as far as I know). If this claim of yours is true, who put the light in the beams close enough to arrive with in the shorter time?

not my fault you believe foolish men.

light was created in its place just like all the stars and objects in the universe. A 5 year old would understand this… sheesh

 

[AV1611VET]

actually the big bang breaks the laws of physics… much much faster than the speed of light.

What's really amazing is how this universe can be 94 billion light years across; yet the universe has allegedly been in existence for only 13.7 billion years.

And when you point that out to someone, the resultant flow of technobabble that is used to explain it is enough to make your head explode.

 

[Andre_b]

What's really amazing is how this universe can be 94 billion light years across; yet the universe has allegedly been in existence for only 13.7 billion years.

And when you point that out to someone, the resultant flow of technobabble that is used to explain it is enough to make your head explode.

It’s amazing the utter arrogance and hardened heart some people have. Literally a free gift of love and eternal bliss is awaiting anyone that’ll accept it.

 

[AV1611VET]

If this claim of yours is true, who put the light in the beams close enough to arrive with in the shorter time?

God did it.

 

[Hans Blaster]

not my fault you believe foolish men.

light was created in its place just like all the stars and objects in the universe. A 5 year old would understand this… sheesh

we're getting closer....

Created *BY WHOM*?

 

[Andre_b]

Still not answering. Sigh. This isn't about me.

You have claimed that the light coming from distant astronomical objects have not been in transit for millions or billions of years but was placed in route to us so it would arrive after a much shorter period (a few thousand years I assume, but you haven't said as far as I know). If this claim of yours is true, who put the light in the beams close enough to arrive with in the shorter time?

Not shorter time. I said immediately IN ITS position!

 

[AV1611VET]

we're getting closer....

Created *BY WHOM*?

God.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Not shorter time. I said immediately IN ITS position!

OK, "in its position", but "in its position" *BY WHOM*?

 

[Andre_b]

God.

Pretty simple really. The more unbelievers talk the more foolish they sound.

 

[Andre_b]

OK, "in its position", but "in its position" *BY WHOM*?

Gee I wonder?!