What is the difficulty of getting into heaven?

[servant7777]

True enough. I believe we'll all be surprised in heaven about some beliefs. You more so, however.

We can believe in the example of the Apostles to be Holy and to give none offence is keeping the faith till death..




2 Timothy 4: 7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

2 Corinthians 6:3 Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:
4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
5 In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;
6 By pureness, by knowledge, by long suffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,
7 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
8 By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;
9 As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed;
10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.

 

[servant7777]

True enough.

Are the scriptures enough for you yet, true enough to stop your doubt of all they testify.

 

[servant7777]

Apart from the law teaching that goes on here, fhansen id, is the only one that never stops, always resists whatever the verses sway, and has his excuse, because he can follow traditions instead of what Gods word actually says.

I wonder why else they mean so little to you always.

 

[fhansen]

Yes you teach against the way to be prepared first:




1 Corinthians 1:8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Philippians 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 5:7 And these things give in charge, that they may be blameless.

2 Peter 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

Revelation 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

Yes, I believe that absolute perfect sinlessness won't be achieved in this life while we nonetheless must overcome such deeds of the flesh that lead to death. You apparently believe that personal perfect righteousness is not only guaranteed to a true believer but also necessary. Most here believe that perfect righteousness is not possible and that no personal righteousness is necessary-that it doesn't affect our salvation.

 

[fhansen]

Apart from the law teaching that goes on here, fhansen id, is the only one that never stops, always resists whatever the verses sway, and has his excuse, because he can follow traditions instead of what Gods word actually says.

I wonder why else they mean so little to you always.

LOL. You diverge from the beliefs of everyone here on this thread. But even if it's only me I'll stand against your strife-causing nonsense.

 

[servant7777]

Yes, I believe that absolute perfect sinlessness won't be achieved in this life while we nonetheless must overcome such deeds of the flesh that lead to death. You apparently believe that personal perfect righteousness is not only guaranteed to a true believer but also necessary. Most here believe that perfect righteousness is not possible and that no personal righteousness affects our salvation.

Born of God is testified against what you say, so you don't claim to be born of God then. Because according to the words and the way, you cant show yourself it.




1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

 

[Rapture Bound]

servant7777 replied [post #416] :

"Strife does not exist, it is cast out.."

My Reply:

Wow! ... just Wow! ... first you say "I guess the strife disputers wont cease, until they are ceased forever." [post #394] ... and now you say [post #416] "Strife does not exist, it is cast out.." Can you really not see anything wrong with this picture??

 

[fhansen]

Born of God is testified against what you say, so you don't claim to be born of God then. Because according to the words and the way, you cant show yourself it.

I already have. You just prove that you ignore or revise the parts of His Word that you don't like.

 

[servant7777]

LOL. You diverge from the beliefs of everyone here on this thread. But even if it's only me I'll stand against your strife-causing nonsense.

Born of God according to you, is to sin and have blemish. To do unrighteousness, to hate and hurt others.

But that is born of deception and that is the devil.


Look at the two:


John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.



Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

 

[servant7777]

I already have. You just prove that you ignore or revise the parts of His Word that you don't like.

Do you have a scripture to show what you consider born of God to be ?


Or want to speak without meaning anything at all.

(you might impress others, but why do you think you make an impression on anyone following Gods word as testified)

 

[servant7777]

servant7777 replied [post #416] :

"Strife does not exist, it is cast out.."

My Reply:

Wow! ... just Wow! ... first you say "I guess the strife disputers wont cease, until they are ceased forever." [post #394] ... and now you say [post #416] "Strife does not exist, it is cast out.." Can you really not see anything wrong with this picture??

Yes, instead of painting a strifeful picture, could agree that the strife makers are consumed by Christ on the cross, and they are a shadow.


Ecclesiastes 8:12 Though a sinner do evil an hundred times, and his days be prolonged, yet surely I know that it shall be well with them that fear God, which fear before him:
13 But it shall not be well with the wicked, neither shall he prolong his days, which are as a shadow; because he feareth not before God.

 

[servant7777]

The strife of tongues is ended, its merely a shadow.

 

[servant7777]

A shadow, of something consumed, and doesn't know it yet so wont stop its strife until it vanishes.

 

[fhansen]

Born of God according to you, is to sin and have blemish. To do unrighteousness, to hate and hurt others.

But that is born of deception and that is the devil.


Look at the two:


John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.



Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Born of God means to become a child of He who will patiently work in you to bring you the poerfectio0n He desires, as long as you remain in Him. In the next life He'll put the finishes touches on you. But it must begin here. And persistent, unrepented gross imperfection, adultery, murder, sexual idolatry, etc, will keep you from heaven.

 

[servant7777]

Born of God means to become a child of He who will patiently work in you to bring you the poerfectio0n He desires, as long as you remain in Him. In the next life He'll put the finishes touches on you. But it must begin here. And persistent, unrepented gross imperfection, adultery, murder, sexual idolatry, etc, will keep you from heaven.

No scripture then, here again for ya


1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

1 Corinthians 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1 Peter 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

 

[servant7777]

When they trust fables and not Gods word, they are rebuked, you are rebuked in your fables, all was told and you played your part well fhansen.


2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

 

[servant7777]

Born of God means to become a child of He who will patiently work in you to bring you the poerfectio0n He desires, as long as you remain in Him. In the next life He'll put the finishes touches on you. But it must begin here. And persistent, unrepented gross imperfection, adultery, murder, sexual idolatry, etc, will keep you from heaven.

Does not say finishing touches in the next life anywhere, nor does it say He works in you, but that He dwells in us, and His love is perfected in us.


Gods word.witness is better than any mans fhansen, yours never agrees to Gods word in anything, that is why I keep showing yous against Gods.



1 John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

1 John 4:11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

 

[fhansen]

No scripture then, here again for ya


1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

1 Corinthians 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1 Peter 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

I understand the gospel well enough that I can also express it in my own words. I doubt you can do so very well.

 

[fhansen]

Does not say finishing touches in the next life anywhere, nor does it say He works in you, but that He dwells in us, and His love is perfected in us.


Gods word.witness is better than any mans fhansen, yours never agrees to Gods word in anything, that is why I keep showing yous against Gods.



1 John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

1 John 4:11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

I keep forgetting that you're already perfect. Remember, not the smallest white lie would ever come from the mouth of Jesus.

 

[servant7777]

I understand the gospel well enough that I can also express it in my own words. I doubt you can do so very well.

Yes inventors of evil things as testified, speaking great swelling words of vanity, ( expressing in their own words and not agreeing to the testimonies of Christ as told and exampled by Him and the Apostles too, doing all perfectly and in Holiness not unrighteousness as fhansens born of God idea is)


Romans 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

2 Peter 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

Jude 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.