What is the difficulty of getting into heaven?

[servant7777]

I keep forgetting that you're already perfect. Remember, not the smallest white lie would ever come from the mouth of Jesus.

Now you think when anyone has the Spirit of truth they also have the spirit of lies



1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Zephaniah 3:13 The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.

James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

 

[servant7777]

I keep forgetting that you're already perfect. Remember, not the smallest white lie would ever come from the mouth of Jesus.

Psalm 32:2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Psalm 34:13 Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile.

1 Peter 2:1 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,

1 Peter 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:

1 Peter 3:10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:

Revelation 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

 

[fhansen]

Now you think when anyone has the Spirit of truth they also have the spirit of lies



1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Zephaniah 3:13 The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.

James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Congratulations-you can copy and paste Scripture! Understanding it all is another story. Remember, the smallest white lie, any stray thought, word, or deed., misplaced anger, etc. Ever.

 

[servant7777]

Congratulations-you can copy and paste Scripture! Understanding it all is another story. Remember, the smallest white lie, any stray thought, word, or deed., misplaced anger, etc. Ever.

Do you really believe the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error are two spirits that inhabit a man ?

 

[fhansen]

Do you really believe the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error are two spirits that inhabit a man ?

They are contradictory, but so is man and I also believe God is patient in His work-and that the spirit of truth will ultimately rule us entirely-not all at once necessarily-as we remain in and trust Him.

 

[servant7777]

Congratulations-you can copy and paste Scripture! Understanding it all is another story. Remember, the smallest white lie, any stray thought, word, or deed., misplaced anger, etc. Ever.

You do see your dead end you made yourself go into ?

You insist we can lie.

But the Spirit of truth cant be where the lying spirit of error is?

There is one Spirit, and we stand fast in that one Spirit, as He that's joined to the Lord is that one Spirit, we drink into one Spirit, how do you think the lying spirit of error can be there in that man who is one Spirit with the Lord?




1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

1 Corinthians 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

Philippians 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

 

[servant7777]

They are contradictory, but so is man and I also believe God is patient-and that the spirit of truth will be ultimately rule us entirely-not all at once necessarily.

Then explain how the man who is one Spirit of truth with God, can lie, without having the spirit of error/lies in him ?

 

[servant7777]

You keep altering your words, when I copy and paste them.

Gods word testified we wont speak lies, and we see how, by the Spirit of truth in us, and being joined together one with Gods in the Spirit of truth.

You have yet to say how that man lies, without the spirit of error/lies being in them when we stand fast in ONE SPIRIT?

 

[fhansen]

Then explain how the man who is one Spirit of truth with God, can lie, without having the spirit of error/lies in him ?

Such is to be human. We'll struggle-and, with God, continue to confirm and increase in the righteousness He's given us. We're overcomers, over time. He's patient. He just wants us on board with Him to begin with. That's absolutely essential. And to stay on board-and to get back on if we slip off.

 

[fhansen]

You keep altering your words, when I copy and paste them.

Gods word testified we wont speak lies, and we see how, by the Spirit of truth in us, and being joined together one with Gods in the Spirit of truth.

You have yet to say how that man lies, without the spirit of error/lies being in them when we stand fast in ONE SPIRIT?

Altering my words?? I may edit at times, to make sure I've clarified myself. But not after I know another has replied.

 

[servant7777]

Such is to be human. We'll struggle-and, with God, continue to confirm and increase in the righteousness He's given us. We're overcomers, over time. He's patient. He just wants us on board with Him to begin with.

OK no answer.

Neither does it testify we overcome in time, but we believe in this victory already and then we have overcome.

Also you deny we overcome sin, you always cling to your own words we cant overcome it.

Those born of God overcome the world( it is overcome by being born of God, as testified they sin not (and cant sin, as they are born of God.)


1 Corinthians 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith


1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

 

[servant7777]

Altering my words?? I may edit at times, to make sure I've clarified myself. But not after I know another has replied.

Doesn't matter, the only word that never alters ids Gods word.

You are showing very well for all how born of God will overcome one day, but wont overcome sin, too antichrist I'm afraid.

 

[servant7777]

Now you manifested for us all, why your words show no belief in the testimony of how and what born of God is, it is your faith to overcome in the victory of Christ who destroyed the works of the devil( sins against others)

 

[servant7777]

If it were not for the end when everybody was foretold to have a form of godliness but denies the power and who lovers them,selves and pleasures, you could not speak one word here, on a Christian forum, but I guess they are made just to provide that outcome.

Can nobody see that yo don't agree to anything at all in Gods testimonies.


2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

 

[servant7777]

I doubt the forum will ever care what you say daily, but God wont be the same.


We are supposed to let our own words be few, and speak if it is Gods oracles, or don't speak, you do the opposite, speak your words and drop Gods far away.


Ecclesiastes 5:2 Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few.
3 For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.

James 1:19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:

1 Peter 4:11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.




Words out of the good treasure of the heart are not mans words of death, bu the Lord Jesus of Spirit and life. All idle words will be judged, give account of your multitude of them, fools have multitude of their own words..




Matthew 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

 

[fhansen]

Now you manifested for us all, why your words show no belief in the testimony of how and what born of God is, it is your faith to overcome in the victory of Christ who destroyed the works of the devil( sins against others)

Like I said, you probably differ more from the others on this thread than you do with me. It's actually against forum rules to promote sinless perfection. Not that the rules make sinless perfection wrong, just that, if you're looking for agreement, you already don't have it.

 

[fhansen]

We are supposed to let our own words be few, and speak if it is Gods oracles, or don't speak, you do the opposite, speak your words and drop Gods far away.

Well then stop talking. You don't understand God's oracles so well to begin with.

 

[fhansen]

Neither does it testify we overcome in time, but we believe in this victory already and then we have overcome.

Nonsense, nonsense, childish nonsense. Believing in the victory doesn't bring the victory. Overcoming brings the victory.

 

[fhansen]

We cannot have faith without grace and we cannot overcome without faith. But we can have faith and still not overcome. Which is the basic point James was making in chapter two.

Fully overcoming could be defined concisely as loving God with your whole heart, soul, mind, and strength, and your neighbor as yourself. Faith is the starting point, the gateway,, the foundation.

 

[ozso]

You keep altering your words, when I copy and paste them.

You need to give someone a couple of minutes just in case they want to reword their post. Usually forum exchanges aren't like a chat room.