What is the difficulty of getting into heaven?

[servant7777]

The Reformed teaching on the elect not being lost is redundant. Of course those who's names are written in the Book of Life will be saved. But to say that we can know with 100% certainty just who they are, who the words spoken in John 10:28, for example, necessarily apply to, who will persevere and who will not, is rash, over-confident; it's knowledge that God, alone has, not us. He'll judge us, on our love, at the end of the day. That's where the journey, begun with faith, is meant to lead. And yet we can have at least a strong level of assurance going by the fruit that love should produce in our lives while knowing that God, at least, is 100% trustworthy and true. We're the wildcard in it all.

The ones not written in the book of life, are the ones whose name were crossed out, it is OVERCOMING THIS WORLD THAT HANSEN OPPOSES AND TALKS NEGATIVELY ALWAYS, WHY NOT AGREE INSTEAD MISTER HANSEN FOR ONCE ???????


Deuteronomy 29:19 And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst:
20 The Lord will not spare him, but then the anger of the Lord and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the Lord shall blot out his name from under heaven.

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

 

[fhansen]

The church is not visible, it is in the heart where no corruption was joined to the church( Catholic and Protestant church corrupted,murderous/supporting wars etc)

The church is both visible and invisible. The true church resides invisibly in the hearts of the true faithful, while the visible church contains both. But the visible church, filled with weak vessels who sometimes sin, is necessarily used by God to preserve and spread His Word, to scatter and sow His seed regardless of how imperfect His sowers may or may not be. And without that church Christianity would not have survived. God, simply, uses it for His purposes.

 

[fhansen]

The ones not written in the book of life, are the ones whose name were crossed out, it is OVERCOMING THIS WORLD THAT HANSEN OPPOSES AND TALKS NEGATIVELY ALWAYS, WHY NOT AGREE INSTEAD MISTER HANSEN FOR ONCE ???????

Read post #111 again. hansen is just knowledgeable as well as realistic about the truth-as God wants us to be.

You and I apparently agree on the absolute necessity of man to be righteous in order to be saved, while disagreeing on whether or not that righteousness must be absolutely perfect. Most others on this thread believe that no personal righteousness is necessary, only faith, with personal righteousness being a side-benefit at most.

OTOH, you agree with most here that salvation is absolutely assured, and one can know with 100% certainly that they're saved. And I disagree on that point.

 

[servant7777]

The church is both visible and invisible. The true church resides invisibly in the hearts of the true faithful, while the visible church contains both. But the visible church, filled with weak vessels who sometimes sin, is necessarily used by God to preserve and spread His Word, to scatter and sow His seed regardless of how imperfect His sowers may or may not be. And without that church Christianity would not have survived. God, simply, uses it for His purposes.

No it has to be presented without tainted murder connected to it, and yours is not..


Ephesians 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

 

[servant7777]

Read post #111 again. hansen is just knowledgeable as well as realistic about the truth-as God wants us to be.

Neither is your own word right, to be holy without blemish, you insist we cant avoid blemish



1 Peter 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.




Thus the hidden man of the heart is the only possibility of being the non corrupted church on earth




1 Peter 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

 

[servant7777]

Just let me know fhansen name, when you have enough of showing yourself against scripture on another day.

 

[servant7777]

Read post #111 again. hansen is just knowledgeable as well as realistic about the truth-as God wants us to be.

You and I apparently agree on the absolute necessity of man to be righteous in order to be saved, while disagreeing on whether or not that righteousness must be absolutely perfect. Most others on this thread believe that no personal righteousness is necessary, only faith, with personal righteousness being a side-benefit at most.

OTOH, you agree with most here that salvation is absolutely assured, and one can know with 100% certainly that they're saved. And I disagree on that point.

Righteousness has no sin in it, and sin has no righteousness in it, light has no part dark and dark has no part light.

If all is assured, I would try for nobody, I am trying for everybody.

 

[fhansen]

Just let me know fhansen name, when you have enough of showing yourself against scripture on another day.

Just try to write with better clarity, as that didn't come out very clear.

 

[servant7777]

Just try to write with better clarity, as that didn't come out very clear.

I will always try to be clearer

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[fhansen]

No it has to be presented without tainted murder connected to it, and yours is not..


Ephesians 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

Sorry, but you'll never find another person, believer or otherwise, with the sinlessness that you possess. I think the one true church may be comprised of you, alone.

 

[fhansen]

I will always try to be clearer

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Ok, I get it now. You need to become spiritual.

 

[servant7777]

When you have nothing to say, the scriptures will speak on, as per here


Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Mark 13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.



Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.


James 1:10 But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away.

 

[servant7777]

Ok, I get it now. You need to become spiritual.

If I became spiritual like you are, I will be of the flesh and carnal, as you state we cant stop little sins.



Isaiah 5:20Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:

 

[servant7777]

Isaiah 5:18 Woe unto them that draw iniquity with cords of vanity, and sin as it were with a cart rope:

 

[Rapture Bound]

servant7777 said [post #394] :

"I guess the strife disputers wont cease, until they are ceased forever."

My Reply :

You guessed correctly, strife will always exist when the faith once delivered
to the saints is being contended for. Jude 3, "Beloved, while I was very diligent
to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write
to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all
delivered to the saints."

The responsibility of discerning what the truth is concerning the doctrine of
justification lies squarely upon every person reading these posts [as well as
every person on the planet]. Jeremiah 29:13, "And ye shall seek me, and find
me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart."

And since there will ultimately be few who will actually seek after the truth,
fierce opposition to those who hold it is guaranteed. Matthew 7:13,"Enter ye
in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth
to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:"

 

[servant7777]

servant7777 said [post #394] :

"I guess the strife disputers wont cease, until they are ceased forever."

My Reply :

You guessed correctly, strife will always exist when the faith once delivered
to the saints is being contended for. Jude 3, "Beloved, while I was very diligent
to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write
to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all
delivered to the saints."

The responsibility of discerning what the truth is concerning the doctrine of
justification lies squarely upon every person reading these posts [as well as
every person on the planet]. Jeremiah 29:13, "And ye shall seek me, and find
me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart."

And since there will ultimately be few who will actually seek after the truth,
fierce opposition to those who hold it is guaranteed. Matthew 7:13,"Enter ye
in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth
to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:"

Strife does not exist, it is cast out..



Philippians 1:15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:

Romans 13:13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.

1 Corinthians 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

Galaians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Philippians 2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

2 Timothy 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

James 3:14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

 

[servant7777]

Strife is not ceased from the wicked. ( they are already cast off and consumed without knowing it)



Proverbs 22:10 Cast out the scorner, and contention shall go out; yea, strife and reproach shall cease.

Isaiah 29:20 For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner is consumed, and all that watch for iniquity are cut off:

 

[servant7777]

You know I like showing the scriptures for you guys, I know you really must appreciate them.

 

[fhansen]

Neither is your own word right, to be holy without blemish, you insist we cant avoid blemish

True enough. I believe we'll all be surprised in heaven about some beliefs. You more so, however.

 

[servant7777]

True enough. I believe we'll all be surprised in heaven about some beliefs. You more so, however.

Yes you teach against the way to be prepared first:




1 Corinthians 1:8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Philippians 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 5:7 And these things give in charge, that they may be blameless.

2 Peter 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

Revelation 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.