What is the Church's position on Creation/Evolution

[ArmyMatt]

I thought he was still making videos?

I just saw that he still is, they don't look good looking at their titles. hopefully they aren't as bad as they used to be.

 

[MariaJLM]

And I do want to point out that I agree that the place for people who are horribly, horribly wrong is within the Church where they can be corrected and grow and learn - it is unfortunate in some sense that people like Matthew Heimbach and the defrocked Matthew Raphael Johnson (who has appeared on Jay Dyer's show, by the way, and regularly comments on his facebook posts, for what little that means) have left the church after their discipline rather than repenting.

I know Matthew Heimbach went to a schismatic Greek Old Calendarist church, but I didn't realize Matthew Raphael Johnson had left entirely.

 

[MariaJLM]

I just saw that he still is, they don't look good looking at their titles. hopefully they aren't as bad as they used to be.

Considering who it is I don't have high hopes. I've had people say to me outright that they would never join the church because of people like that.

 

[TheLostCoin]

Not going to watch a 38 minute video - at which point in there does he say he's been received into the Church?

I could've sword in that video he says that he is, but I can't find it. I guess I'm wrong - but where is it suggested that he's not a member (at least nominally?)

 

[Orthodoxjay1]

And I do want to point out that I agree that the place for people who are horribly, horribly wrong is within the Church where they can be corrected and grow and learn - it is unfortunate in some sense that people like Matthew Heimbach and the defrocked Matthew Raphael Johnson (who has appeared on Jay Dyer's show, by the way, and regularly comments on his facebook posts, for what little that means) have left the church after their discipline rather than repenting.

What happened to Matthew Raphael Johnson? I didn't even know he was in the church to begin with, last I heard he is some type of old rite church member. It does come been me of the neonazi types creeping into canonical Orthodoxy, yet we must pray for these folks repentance, and become more like Christ, they need salvation just like the rest of us.

 

[gzt]

I could've sword in that video he says that he is, but I can't find it. I guess I'm wrong - but where is it suggested that he's not a member (at least nominally?)

I listened to the first couple minutes and at that point he does say he converted, but somebody who's knew him at roughly that time said he didn't join at that point and doesn't know if he ever has.
Perhaps this is inaccurate. It's why I bring this up every time it comes up - has he ever pinned down actually being received into the Church.

 

[gzt]

What happened to Matthew Raphael Johnson? I didn't even know he was in the church to begin with, last I heard he some type of old rite church.

He started out in the ROCOR, bounced to some fringe schismatic group, got booted from them as well for his racism, and now I'm not sure where he is at all, he's doing something somewhere. Probably still in some fringe.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Considering who it is I don't have high hopes. I've had people say to me outright that they would never join the church because of people like that.

I guess then show them the St Mary of Paris' of the Church, and remind them which one is on the calendar.

 

[MariaJLM]

I guess then show them the St Mary of Paris' of the Church, and remind them which one is on the calendar.

Yea. I often cite her, considering she's my patron saint.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Yea. I often cite her, considering she's my patron saint.

St John the merciful is another one to keep in mind.

 

[SingularityOne]

Social media personality mostly. I used to know him on Facebook, but eventually he unfriended me because I called him out on his tendency to fall into conspiracy theories, anti-semitism, and racism.

I have watched nearly all of his videos from the last 3 years within his geopolitics, theology, and philosophy talks and he does seem to fall into a lot of conspiracy. However, I have yet to hear anything anti-semitic or racist from him. His philosophy and theology talks are actually quite spot on. I have to be discerning when hearing about the conspiracies he spouts though.

 

[MariaJLM]

I have watched nearly all of his videos from the last 3 years within his geopolitics, theology, and philosophy talks and he does seem to fall into a lot of conspiracy. However, I have yet to hear anything anti-semitic or racist from him. His philosophy and theology talks are actually quite spot on. I have to be discerning when hearing about the conspiracies he spouts though.

George Soros and "Jews run Hollywood" conspiracy theories are anti-semitic.

 

[gzt]

George Soros and "Jews run Hollywood" conspiracy theories are anti-semitic.

yep

 

[SingularityOne]

George Soros and "Jews run Hollywood" conspiracy theories are anti-semitic.

Do you have a link? I tried to find what was being talked about here and couldn’t find it when googling it. I just want to make sure this isn’t a farce or made up, haha...

I don’t really believe anything from a second source. However, I would be open to consider this as true if you guys can give me a primary source considering I haven’t heard him say anything anti-semitic or racist before.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

George Soros conspiracy theories are anti-Semitic? So if I criticize the mafia I’m anti-Italian? If I criticize Al Sharpton or Maxine Waters, I’m an anti-black racist? What does concern about Soros and his corruption and sick use of his wealth have to do with Judaism?

George Soros and "Jews run Hollywood" conspiracy theories are anti-semitic.

 

[RobNJ]

George Soros conspiracy theories are anti-Semitic? So if I criticize the mafia I’m anti-Italian? If I criticize Al Sharpton or Maxine Waters, I’m an anti-black racist? What does concern about Soros and his corruption and sick use of his wealth have to do with Judaism?

Ummm.. I think you have him confused with the evil Koch Brothers

 

[TheLostCoin]

gurney already posted this.

 

[Barney2.0]

so we should be creationist? What sort of creationist; young earth, gap, etc.

I’m personally a believer in an Old Earth considering science confirms such a theory and that the Bible itself is pretty silent on the age of the Earth.

 

[gzt]

Fr Victor Gorodenchuk, who studied physics at the MIT of Russia, actually used science to show that evolution and old earth are simply conclusions based on assumptions that really can't be proven.

Has he written down his argumentation on it, or do you just have this bald statement? I'd be interested in reading the argument (as this is either a trivial statement or an interesting one, depending on what he's trying to make of it).

 

[ArmyMatt]

Has he written down his argumentation on it, or do you just have this bald statement? I'd be interested in reading the argument (as this is either a trivial statement or an interesting one, depending on what he's trying to make of it).

he gave a lecture on it, and I am not sure if it was recorded or posted.