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If you are asked the question what the role of a government is, what would be your answer?
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I oppose government controlling things. I DO feel that we should help others, but little to no government assistance ( with tight restrictions.)
Much of the opposition to socialism has to do with the idea of private business ownership (which, in a true socialist state, would be abolished).
It is morally repugnant for one party, be it government or not, to forcibly take private wealth from one person and give it to another.
One problem with socialism is that it is an absolutely destructive system; destructive to the middle class, destructive to the ability of people to improve their lives, destructive to improving the quality of life, destructive to human freedoms and highly destructive to any economy which has ever utilized it.
People look at Europe and pretend that it's working.
However, if the nations of Europe had to grow their own food and provide their own defense their dysfunctional economies would all collapse. Only free market capitalism allows a man to be born a slave and become a businessman; to be born dirt poor and to become the president, to start with nothing and become a billionaire.
Socialism is all about oligarchic control of the masses. It discourages dreamers and has to convince people that they have no hope so they will be happy with the crumbs thrown to them by government.
There are socialist nations in Europe. If you would rather work for the government than have the government work for you, please go there. In America, you are the enemy. You are an enemy to the American people just like the terrorists, the racists, the street gangs and the corrupt politicians.
You represent everything America was founded to escape. True freedom for all is not perfectly applied and our system is not without its problems, but the fact is that you can still have anything you want if you can help enough people get what they want. Millionaires are still created every day from simple people who want a better life for their families. A rising tide lifts all boats. One man's success does not come at the expense of another man's failure.
You have to remember that to the usual suspects, "socialism" and "Stalinist wasteland" are absolutely interchangeable.Then why does every single statistic on "societal health" show far better scores for socialistic secular democracies?
There's no need to pretend. It IS working.
http://www.presscave.com/top-best-countries-to-live-in-the-world/
7 of the top 10 best countries to live in are European nations with socialistic systems.
Note that the US isn't even on the list.
I live in Belgium. A country with one of the heaviest tax rates in the world. Heavily socialist.
I come from a rather low-income family. My dad worked in a factory at the assembly line for 40 years. My mother did a similar job.
I went to university and studied ICT (which I wouldn't have been able to do without subsidies from the social government - which I didn't really need, but the help was welcome anyways).
I started working as a develop. 10 years later, I founded my own company (again, with the help of the socialist government through some subsidies for start ups).
Now, I'm doing very very well. I'm not a "millionaire", but I sure surpassed the financial state of my parents. My business is still expanding and if all goes well, I sure will be able to reach that 7 figure mark on my bank account.
I'm living evidence that what you say is simply wrong.
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It would seem that you are extremely incorrect about that.
That's a rather insulting and disgusting thing to say.
My success in the software business is entirely my own doing. And not at the expense of anybody.
“The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.” ~ Margaret Thatcher
It can if it's moved around responsibly, if a very few people have it all as happens in the US the bottom falls out of the country and millions of people are made to suffer.That is the one of the most true statements ever spoken. Money cannot go on forever.
A lot of Americans do not know what social democracy is but they have been brain washed into believing that it's bad,You have to remember that to the usual suspects, "socialism" and "Stalinist wasteland" are absolutely interchangeable.
I think you're right that most Americans are opposed to Socialism. What's wrong with it is pretty obvious, I'd think--it's morally wrong to steal, whether it's done through the government's police or by an individual. Sure, those who get some of the loot say they like that. Why wouldn't they? And that's to say nothing of the fact that Socialism doesn't work. The best that its fans can say is that it sometimes works somewhat well if it's not really Socialism but a mixed economy.This is a question for my American cousins: what is so wrong with socialism? Is it true that Americans hate socialism or is this just what gets shown in the media?
As a Brit living in (what America would call a socialist country) the UK I'm very happy with this style of government.
Where's the beef, here?
Is this how you feel about all taxation? That it is no more than theft?I think you're right that most Americans are opposed to Socialism. What's wrong with it is pretty obvious, I'd think--it's morally wrong to steal, whether it's done through the government's police or by an individual.
The government already steals most of your money now and you don't even notice them doing it and you think you're free,I think you're right that most Americans are opposed to Socialism. What's wrong with it is pretty obvious, I'd think--it's morally wrong to steal, whether it's done through the government's police or by an individual. Sure, those who get some of the loot say they like that. Why wouldn't they? And that's to say nothing of the fact that Socialism doesn't work. The best that its fans can say is that it sometimes works somewhat well if it's not really Socialism but a mixed economy.
Uhh no. I am not the enemy of my country. The people who think their way is the only way are dangerous. The people who would call their own countrymen enemies are in fact, the enemies of America. The people who wish to do away with religious freedom and establish a quasi-theocracy in the preferred flavor of Christianity, are the enemies of America.There are socialist nations in Europe. If you would rather work for the government than have the government work for you, please go there. In America, you are the enemy. You are an enemy to the American people just like the terrorists, the racists, the street gangs and the corrupt politicians.
You mean religious oppression? Tell it to the theocrats in our country that wish for society to follow their religious commandments.You represent everything America was founded to escape.
If you're going to make a case for Socialism, you're going to have to make a case for...SOCIALISM.Is this how you feel about all taxation? That it is no more than theft?
I think you're right that most Americans are opposed to Socialism. What's wrong with it is pretty obvious, I'd think--it's morally wrong to steal, whether it's done through the government's police or by an individual. Sure, those who get some of the loot say they like that. Why wouldn't they? And that's to say nothing of the fact that Socialism doesn't work. The best that its fans can say is that it sometimes works somewhat well if it's not really Socialism but a mixed economy.
And anyone who disagrees is an enemy of America the likes of which could only be surpassed by terrorist organizations like ISIS.You have to remember that to the usual suspects, "socialism" and "Stalinist wasteland" are absolutely interchangeable.
Well when you talk about taxation as if it were some new thing Obama invented to rob the American people of their riches... I just can't take you very seriously.If you're going to make a case for Socialism, you're going to have to make a case for...SOCIALISM.
All that this teaser of a question amounts to is what I referred to in my previous post--that proponents of Socialism don't even have the courage of their convictions and, therefore, rely upon advocating or defending little bits of government policy here or there as though the antithesis of Socialism were some Hobbesian State of Nature in which there is no social order at all.
Whatever you want to call it. The point is, a lot of countries are thriving with public health, public higher education, public housing, welfare, etc.
Rest assured that if I had wanted to say that "taxation = theft," I would have written exactly that.So I had to gauge just how serious you are with this idea that taxation = theft.
Well when you talk about taxation as if it were some new thing Obama invented to rob the American people of their riches... I just can't take you very seriously.
So I had to gauge just how serious you are with this idea that taxation = theft.
If we were going to discuss such a society, that should have been the question asked. It wasn't. The question of the thread asked "What is so wrong with Socialism?"
That may be true. Socialists don't want to come clean about what Socialism really is, so they describe a mixed economy or laud Social Security and try to make out that that is Socialism...and so the average person thinks that's the case because they've heard this mischaracterization used so often and, after all, it sounds reasonable enough to them. Of course, you could also describe Communism or Monarchism the same way--by picking out a few agreeable social characteristics--and implying that this is all that it's about.And what you don't want to call socialism is what most people in those countries call socialism.
Do you think the US should adopt Total Capitalism or just a version of it?If you're going to make a case for Socialism, you're going to have to make a case for...SOCIALISM.
All that this teaser of a question amounts to is what I referred to in my previous post--that proponents of Socialism don't even have the courage of their convictions and, therefore, rely upon advocating or defending little bits of government policy here or there as though the antithesis of Socialism were some Hobbesian State of Nature in which there is no social order at all.
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