What is so wrong with socialism?

[keith99]

Ten people in a room

One has 1000.00
Two have 750.00
Four have 500.00
Two have 250.00
One has 100.00

Socialism says it is ok for the bottom seven to take from the top three so every one gets 515.00

Whether they want to or not.

Wrong. Learn the difference between communism and socialism.

Communism vs Socialism - Difference and Comparison | Diffen

Not that I like socialism. It has one very basic problem. The short way that a communist or socialist might explain the difference is that under communism the workers own everything, under socialism the workers own the means of production (or just heavy industry).

The HUGE problem under either in practice is it is not the workers who own everything or the means of production but the state. And the state means politicians or party members. At the best this means what a communist would call exploitative owners are replaced by exploitative and even less productive political parasites.

 

[Nithavela]

Ten people in a room

One has 1000.00
Two have 750.00
Four have 500.00
Two have 250.00
One has 100.00

Socialism says it is ok for the bottom seven to take from the top three so every one gets 515.00

Whether they want to or not.

No, that would be communism, not socialism.

 

[hislegacy]

No, that would be communism, not socialism.

So in this socialism, people of wealth are not taxed higher and their money used to fund programs?

 

[Nithavela]

So in this socialism, people of wealth are not taxed higher and their money used to fund programs?

So's law.

 

[keith99]

No, that would be communism, not socialism.

Technically no. The short communist definition is from each according to his ability to each according to his need.

Which means the guy who started with they most need not even end up with the average.

Since I have abilities and am not needy I'm not pro Communism.

 

[Goonie]

Ten people in a room

One has 1000.00
Two have 750.00
Four have 500.00
Two have 250.00
One has 100.00

Socialism says it is ok for the bottom seven to take from the top three so every one gets 515.00

Whether they want to or not.

No, communism says that not socialism.

 

[FredVB]

If it's voluntary, it's not Socialism. It might be called communalism, meaning something like a monastery or other association in which the members voluntarily share everything, but then you have the problem of motivation (with a monastery, it's not to achieve economic parity) as well as the fact that it doesn't involve but a very small slice of the population. To transform society as Socialism seeks to do requires the government to involve everyone. That rules out voluntarism.

Assuming motivation is always a problem is a capitalist thought. Indeed there have been the communist nations using a police state for their system. But it is possible for people who always live with enough for them to be working together with others in their community. People have lived that way in small groups a long time.

 

[FredVB]

Is socialism so worse really than raising an old thread? Really?