What is Judaism

[Nick Moser]

This is a very good video mentioning Judaism. It's also important to note that many of the modern Jews came from the Canaanites and thus the culture and mythology influenced modern Jewish culture and spirituality. For example the Star of David was originally a symbol for Baal and Saturn

 

[FireDragon76]

This is a very good video mentioning Judaism. It's also important to note that many of the modern Jews came from the Canaanites and thus the culture and mythology influenced modern Jewish culture and spirituality. For example the Star of David was originally a symbol for Baal and Saturn

I got news for you, Christianity is actually older than modern Judaism, which means that Canaanite religion also influenced Christianity.

Ba'al was a storm god, so was Yahweh. Ba'al was the storm god of the sea, and Yahweh was the storm god of flash floods. In time, Ba'al was subsumed under Yahweh worship, and Yawheh and El worship sycretized as refugees from the northern kingdom headed south.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I got news for you, Christianity is actually older than modern Judaism, which means that Canaanite religion also influenced Christianity.

Ba'al was a storm god, so was Yahweh. Ba'al was the storm god of the sea, and Yahweh was the storm god of flash floods. In time, Ba'al was subsumed under Yahweh worship, and Yawheh and El worship sycretized as refugees from the northern kingdom headed south.

Ba'al was the pagan god of fire, wind, storms, etc. Elijah challenged this belief in a false god and spoke out against it to
the Israelites who were following Ba'al and practicing pagan rituals.

The name for God, "Yahweh" isn't in the Torah, and was added to the Bible much later through a mistranslation.
God was not a storm God, but the God of mercy and justice.

Elijah spoke against the pagan god called, Ba'al;

"Then the LORD said: Go out and stand on the mountain before the LORD; the LORD will pass by. There was a strong and violent wind rending the mountains and crushing rocks before the LORD—but the LORD was not in the wind; after the wind, an earthquake—but the LORD was not in the earthquake; after the earthquake, fire—but the LORD was not in the fire; after the fire, a light silent sound

When he heard this, Elijah hid his face in his cloak and went out and stood at the entrance of the cave. A voice said to him, Why are you here, Elijah?

He replied, “I have been most zealous for the LORD, the God of hosts, but the Israelites have forsaken your covenant. They have destroyed your altars and murdered your prophets by the sword. I alone remain, and they seek to take my life.”" 1 Kings 19: 11-14

 

[FireDragon76]

Ba'al was the pagan god of fire, wind, storms, etc. Elijah challenged this belief in a false god and spoke out against it to
the Israelites who were following Ba'al and practicing pagan rituals.

The name for God, "Yahweh" isn't in the Torah, and was added to the Bible much later through a mistranslation.
God was not a storm God, but the God of mercy and justice.

The Old Testament is mostly a collection of different stories, from both oral and written sources and spanning centuries, redacted into a constitution or national narrative of sorts. Like the story of the Pilgrims first Thanksgiving, or George Washington chopping down a cherry tree, for the United States.

All the best evidence is that monotheism developed over time.

This is an excellent resource for actual, respectable academic research into the origins of Judaism and Christianity. There's interviews with Israeli scholars and archaeologists.

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[Ignatius the Kiwi]

The Old Testament is mostly a collection of different stories, from both oral and written sources and spanning centuries, redacted into a constitution or national narrative of sorts. Like the story of the Pilgrims first Thanksgiving, or George Washington chopping down a cherry tree, for the United States.

All the best evidence is that monotheism developed over time.

This is an excellent resource for actual, respectable academic research into the origins of Judaism and Christianity. There's interviews with Israeli scholars and archaeologists.

Kedem

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Do you believe Abraham existed?

 

[Nick Moser]

I got news for you, Christianity is actually older than modern Judaism, which means that Canaanite religion also influenced Christianity.

Ba'al was a storm god, so was Yahweh. Ba'al was the storm god of the sea, and Yahweh was the storm god of flash floods. In time, Ba'al was subsumed under Yahweh worship, and Yawheh and El worship sycretized as refugees from the northern kingdom headed south.

No I was saying modern Judaism is Canaanite. Christianity has been in existence of Genesis

 

[Fervent]

The Old Testament is mostly a collection of different stories, from both oral and written sources and spanning centuries, redacted into a constitution or national narrative of sorts. Like the story of the Pilgrims first Thanksgiving, or George Washington chopping down a cherry tree, for the United States.

All the best evidence is that monotheism developed over time.

This is an excellent resource for actual, respectable academic research into the origins of Judaism and Christianity. There's interviews with Israeli scholars and archaeologists.

Kedem

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Sort of, not really. A lot of whether(or what) the evidence shows depends on how exactly we define "monotheism" wrt to polytheism. Most "polytheists" had a supreme God who was over a lesser pantheon, rather than simply believing in a college of more or less equal gods. It's certainly true that the modern conception of "monotheism" in the sense that rabbinic Judaism/Islam understand it is a late development, and Trinitarian monotheism is an entirely different beast.

But most of the time when looking at the evidence, late developing ideas about what is and isn't "monotheism" are imposed on the evidence rather than letting primitive beliefs be self-defined.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

The Old Testament is mostly a collection of different stories, from both oral and written sources and spanning centuries, redacted into a constitution or national narrative of sorts. Like the story of the Pilgrims first Thanksgiving, or George Washington chopping down a cherry tree, for the United States.

All the best evidence is that monotheism developed over time.

This is an excellent resource for actual, respectable academic research into the origins of Judaism and Christianity. There's interviews with Israeli scholars and archaeologists.

Kedem

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According to whom?

Correct interpretation is the key, and you're not a Scripture Scholar, neither am I. So, we must rely on the best
there is, and for me, that's the Roman Catholic Church. Bishop Barron is a person I rely on and enjoy listening to
his sermons.

That being said, the stories vary and cannot be read in the same mindset. Psalms cannot be
read with the same mindset as the book of Kings. Genesis is probably allegorical and far from
being seen as a historical account on creation. Mostly, Scripture has to do with spirituality and faith
and mankind's relationship with God.

The story of Elijah which I presented, is used by us Discalced Carmelites and Elijah is considered the father
of the Carmelites. The interpretation I presented is also used by Dr Jordan Peterson, as Elijah's response to
the worshipers of Ba'al. Either way, you either accept it as being true, or you don't.

 

[Dominus vobiscum]

I have to call an audible here; I think some of what has been stated is not accurate. Speaking from a place of knowledge and background (I am Jewish but baptised into the holy Catholic and Apostolic faith). I think its very fair to say modern Judaism (let's say post Codification of the Babylonian Talmud) is distinct from the Judaism of the 2nd Temple era (and probably very distinct from the Israelitism/Judaism of the 1st temple era prior to the exile). The jewish star claims are not accurate; the "star of David" is a symbol that was associated with Jews by Christians but has a non-jewish origin. Jews have had to wear stars or distinctive clothing to identify them many times in history. As a minority, Jews did not always choose the symbols and representations the larger world presented of them. But as a word to the wise, any conversation or discussion attempting to understand or uncover modern Judaism's roots that doesnt mention the Talmud and related Rabbinical Literature is a factually impoverished discussion. Modern classic Judaism's locus star is the Rabbinical canon and framework with which to understand Judaism and unlike christianity classical judaism for the most part never developed systematic theology (except for the Mamonides) so the bulk of its theological writings are from this diverse canon and often implied rather than explicit making it hard to compare to the christian tradition in general.

 

[kingrandrei]

Judaism is the ancient, ancestral religion of the Jewish people. The Jewish people constitute a tribe or a nation in the traditional sense of the word. Membership in our people is passed down through the mother and cannot be revoked, regardless of whether one practices the religion or not. Conversely, someone who is not Jewish by birth may undergo a "naturalization" process and join the Jewish people through a protracted, difficult process that involves, as its cornerstone, accepting and converting to Judaism.

 

[trophy33]

Judaism is the ancient, ancestral religion of the Jewish people. The Jewish people constitute a tribe or a nation in the traditional sense of the word. Membership in our people is passed down through the mother and cannot be revoked, regardless of whether one practices the religion or not. Conversely, someone who is not Jewish by birth may undergo a "naturalization" process and join the Jewish people through a protracted, difficult process that involves, as its cornerstone, accepting and converting to Judaism.

The ancient religion of the Jewish people (in the brief eras in which they actually believed and were not fallen of, like the most of the time) is called Yahwism.

The world-wide current Judaism, with rabbis and synagogues, is a later development, mainly after the temple was destroyed and prophets stopped appearing among Jews. Its more a religious and cultural crisis reaction.

 

[Dominus vobiscum]

The ancient religion of the Jewish people (in the brief eras in which they actually believed and were not fallen of, like the most of the time) is called Yahwism.

The world-wide current Judaism, with rabbis and synagogues, is a later development, mainly after the temple was destroyed and prophets stopped appearing among Jews. Its more a religious and cultural crisis reaction.

You'll obviously find a lot of people (both christians and jews) who disagree with this (although I think you are right). The relationship between Judaism and its older variations is complicated and has a lot of implications for current religious practice. I think it would be too extreme to say there's no strong relationship between classical judaism and the religion that included in the sacrificial cult at the temple but also too extreme to say they are the same. One example is looking at Jewish liturgy which probably has a very strong historical relationship with earlier patterns of ceremonial prayers reaching back to at least the beginning of the first temple.

 

[kingrandrei]

The ancient religion of the Jewish people (in the brief eras in which they actually believed and were not fallen of, like the most of the time) is called Yahwism.

The world-wide current Judaism, with rabbis and synagogues, is a later development, mainly after the temple was destroyed and prophets stopped appearing among Jews. Its more a religious and cultural crisis reaction.

Thanks for the insight. You are very correct.

 

[Ace777]

For example the Star of David was originally a symbol for Baal and Saturn

Whatever was, today the Star of David is two triangles or six points. The devils star if five points. I try to avoid five point stars so that people do not get confused in what I am doing.

 

[Roman57]

Do you believe Abraham existed?

Are you saying you don't believe in Old Testament? Do you believe in New?

I heard of libéral Christians who say neither Old nor New are literal. But i haven't heard of Christians that would only believe in New without brlieving in Old.

As far as saying todays Jews aren't biblical Jews, yes i studied it a lot. But people who say it Do believe in Old Testament. They just dispute which of todays people are their descendants. They know Abraham existed, they just say that his descendants are some group(s) other than todays jews.

As far as saying Abraham didn't exist yet Jesus did, thats a different view entirely that i havent heard of before.

Well, I heard back in 2-nd century one of the church fathers (I believe it was Martian but i am not sure) said God of New Testament and God of Old Testament are two separate gods and also second century gnostics believed that too. But i didnt know anyone believes that today.

 

[timewerx]

Judaism is the direct descendant of Pharisee.

The Babylonian Talmud of Judaism is the written version of the oral laws of the Pharisees.

Both Pharisee and Judaism have the Torah which is essentially the Old Testament in our Bible.

 

[Ace777]

As far as saying todays Jews aren't biblical Jews

Are people missing the part where we are to judge ourselves and not others.

 

[Roman57]

Are people missing the part where we are to judge ourselves and not others.

Its not the judging, its finding the historical genetic lines, similar to ancestry.com and so forth. Yes, it is linked to who is the recepient of the promises given to Abraham, but its different from judging. Because we all have a free will. One can be chosen based off of a birthright and still choose to be a bad person or not chosen from birth right and choose to be a good person.

I can see where you are coming from because, statistically, people who say today's Jews are not biblical Jews usually hold various antisemitic beliefs too (thus judging Jews). But you can't say Idea A is wrong simply because statistically people who hold Idea A also hold Idea B. You still have to evaluate Idea A and Idea B as separate. The question of global warming and the question of gun control are two separate questions, despite the fact that in American politics the answer to one is statistically correlated to the answer to the other (due to both being answered along the party line). So instead of reinforcing the idea that they are related (by answering one question due to presumed answer of the other) you need to challenge it by treating them as strictly separate.

 

[Roman57]

Whatever was, today the Star of David is two triangles or six points. The devils star if five points. I try to avoid five point stars so that people do not get confused in what I am doing.

Its possible for more than one symbol to be bad. For example, 5 point star is bad (as you just mentioned), inverted 5 point star is even worse, and inverted cross is also bad. So why can't 6 pointed star be added to a mix?

I agree with you that out of those four things, the six pointed star is less wicked than the others. Because at least the people that use it don't have bad intentions the way the people that use those other three symbols do. But even though its not as bad as those other things, its still bad due to the pagan origins of the star.

Don't assume that things are either bad or not bad. Rate your level of discomfort on 1 to 10. And that would tell you that yes, six pointed star is bad, just not as bad as some other stuff.

 

[Ace777]

So why can't 6 pointed star be added to a mix?

Because Satan tries to imitate or counterfeit what is good and right and true. This is a part of his deception.