What is it that distances Russia from the West?

[Love365]

They have not made an effort to qualify for EU membership and their aggression should not be rewarded.

Continuing to ignore Russia’s point of view,
may cause more problems in the future.

 

[RDKirk]

Continuing to ignore Russia’s point of view,
may cause more problems in the future.

Russia's point of view is that they need to control Ukraine in order to continue to exist.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Continuing to ignore Russia’s point of view,
may cause more problems in the future.

...It will always be Russia's fault when Russia behaves badly. Just like it's not a woman's fault when a rapist molests her - it's the rapists fault.

 

[Love365]

Russia's point of view is that they need to control Ukraine in order to continue to exist.

We could debate that point of view in European Parliament.

 

[Landon Caeli]

We could debate that point of view in European Parliament.

Who's "we"?

We're US citizens...

 

[Love365]

Who's "we"?

We're US citizens...

The West

 

[Landon Caeli]

The West

No, the West is not all included in the European Union. It's none of our business as Americans what the European union does.

How would we like it if Europe started chiming in on how we should change our constitution to suit their needs? That's just the same as us dictating to them how their Parliament should operate.

 

[Desk trauma]

Continuing to ignore Russia’s point of view,
may cause more problems in the future.

Temper tantrums and invasions are only encouraged with appeasement.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Fact of the matter, is that Russia is on it's last leg with this Ukrainian war. If Russia loses, they'll be on their knees.

 

[Desk trauma]

We could debate that point of view in European Parliament.

No need.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Some call it "karma"... I call it justice.

 

[RDKirk]

We could debate that point of view in European Parliament.

Ukraine is a sovereign nation. It's preposterous that their sovereignty would be up for debate in the EU.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Why should Russia's perceived security interests trump the sovereignty of Ukraine? That's not how a rules-based international order works.

The Ukraine has no "sovereignty. Since 2014, it has been under a puppet regime installed by the US after a coup. Ergo, per international law, the Russians are within their rights to deploy troops there if their security interests demand it - especially in support of people who have long achieved de facto independence from Kiev. The bitter irony is that the voices who call most loudly for the defense of the suppose sovereignty of the Ukraine oppose the very real sovereignty of the people of Donbas. Just as 2014 they condemned Russia's bloodless annexation of the Crimea, while condoning the Ukranian army's bloody carnage in Donbas.

Why do they need to "protect" themselves from the United States? What are we supposedly going to do to them?

What did the US do Russia in the 90's? What the US do to the Ukraine in 2014, which is still going on to this day. What dis the US do to Iraq and Syria? What does the US do in every corner of the world it sticks it nose?

@SoldierOfTheKing, not only is it fiction that a nuclear armed Russia needs to "protect" itself from the United States, but it makes even less sense that a humongous nation like Russia needs to take over *more* land in order to protect itself.

...Try to explain this in a way that reasonable, intelligent people can understand.

Please start by explaining why the United States wants to take-over Russia militarily, first of all, and who is calling for this military action.

Because the US does not want Russia to exist an anything other than US vassal state, because then Russia becomes an obstacle to its world hegemony. Who is calling for this? Well, for starters, the CSCE...

 

[FireDragon76]

Because the US does not want Russia to exist an anything other than US vassal state, because then Russia becomes an obstacle to its world hegemony. Who is calling for this? Well, for starters, the CSCE...

Russia's regime is imperialist.

 

[Landon Caeli]

The Ukraine has no "sovereignty. Since 2014, it has been under a puppet regime installed by the US after a coup. Ergo, per international law, the Russians are within their rights to deploy troops there if their security interests demand it - especially in support of people who have long achieved de facto independence from Kiev. The bitter irony is that the voices who call most loudly for the defense of the suppose sovereignty of the Ukraine oppose the very real sovereignty of the people of Donbas. Just as 2014 they condemned Russia's bloodless annexation of the Crimea, while condoning the Ukranian army's bloody carnage in Donbas.



What did the US do Russia in the 90's? What the US do to the Ukraine in 2014, which is still going on to this day. What dis the US do to Iraq and Syria? What does the US do in every corner of the world it sticks it nose?



Because the US does not want Russia to exist an anything other than US vassal state, because then Russia becomes an obstacle to its world hegemony. Who is calling for this? Well, for starters, the CSCE...

Just look at the current situation in Russia, and consider the possibilities... Currently, we have a rogue neighbor who jails anyone who speaks out publicly against the politics of their president - a violation of free speech! They have state-controlled media, and they're even cut-off from communicating via the internet with us here on this forum! Why should we actually do work to protect that, by defending the regime that enforces it? Who does that ever benefit?

Secondly, what you're calling U.S. hegemony, is really just the idea of acting civilly. The entire West is shaped merely on treating people with dignity and respect, and respecting their human rights. How's that wrong?

Thirdly, just imagine what would happen if Russia were decolonized, rather than holding the knee-jerk reaction of it being 'bad'... What if by breaking apart, all the nations held in Russia finally had their chance to participate in freedom, liberty, and independence? What if their individual ideas and cultures could finally be expressed rather than suppressed? How can we know that's a bad thing?

Finally, what makes anyone think that Russia makes Eastern Europe better than an Eastern Europe without it? What "good" does Russia do in this world?

 

[Landon Caeli]

To me, all Russia does is hang on to the barbarism, authoritarianism and suppression of the ancient world. Other than that, I see nothing in Russia.

 

[Love365]

If you want Russia to have democracy and free speech,
seats in European Parliament might help.

 

[Landon Caeli]

If you want Russia to have democracy and free speech,
seats in European Parliament might help.

How could Russia be convinced to join the EU, when Vladimir Putin has openly stated that EU membership is not in Russia's best interests?

...Surely we can't force them against their will.

 

[Love365]

How could Russia be convinced to join the EU, when Vladimir Putin has openly stated that EU membership is not in Russia's best interests?

...Surely we can't force them against their will.

We could trade them something.

 

[Landon Caeli]

We could trade them something.

...So they can play along with indifference?

Essentially "we" would pay them to turn the EU into a circus show. That's not wise.