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What is Eschatology? 4 main views:

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by parousia70, May 19, 2002.

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  1. postrib

    postrib Well-Known Member


    I believe Matthew 16:28 was fulfilled in Matthew 17:1-2, just as Mark 9:1 was fulfilled in Mark 9:2.

    Jesus simply said "there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power" (Mark 9:1). Note again that the transfiguration (Matthew 17:1-2; Mark 9:2) was a "vision" (Matthew 17:9) in which some of the Apostles (Mark 9:1-2) "had seen" (Mark 9:9) "the kingdom of God come with power (dunamis)" (Mark 9:1), "for we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power (dunamis) and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount" (2 Peter 1:16-18).

    Note that it doesn't say that.
  2. davo

    davo Member

    Your post #28 says this clearly:

    So you did say it -and you are clearly wrong -again. And 2Pt 1:16-18 says nothing about the Kingdom being fulfilled at the Transfiguration.

    Yes, and He simply said along with that -which you keep conveniently ignoring: that angels, rewards [for which ones, who?] and the Fathers glory. You are dead wrong, but persist simply because faulty hermenuetic demands it. Why do you ignore Jesus' plain words -the text, and present your pretext i.e., your excuse of an interpretation :( . Not forgetting that your argument can also be said for the day of Pentecost -HOWEVER, ONLY IF YOU IGNORE, AS YOU DO, WHAT JESUS SAYS IN VERSE 27 -FOR WHICH SO FAR YOU GIVE, OR HAVE NO ANSWER.

    Anyone who heard Jesus say "some standing here will not taste death till I come" etc, could be excused for thinking that that meant, obviously, some would possibly be alive when he returned to them as He promised -like, rocket science. :rolleyes:

  3. postrib

    postrib Well-Known Member

    Jesus' prophecy that they would "see the Son of man coming in his kingdom" was fulfilled at the transfiguration.

    The kingdom was not fulfilled at that time, but the prophecy of their vision of it was.

    Please see my previous answer to you in this thread regarding verse 27 in my 3rd post prior to this one. The 2nd coming (Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 19) has not happened yet.

    No that no verse says that.
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