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There is another thread that asks the question "What is the soul?"Ah then the soul doesn't die. It is just seperated from the body at the demise of the body and God.
Read further: John tells us what he means by the Lake of Fire. It is the second death, not eternal torment. Rev 20:14 "The lake of fire is the second death."Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
This isn't a parable. Yep, tormented for ever and ever...
The term is used widely NTL the soul isn't the body of flesh - See Gen 1.There is another thread that asks the question "What is the soul?"
You should go to that thread. The synopsis is: "Soul" refers to the Hebrew word Nephesh, and means a person. Ezekiel 18:20 says "the soul that sins shall die". This means "the person who sins shall die", not his son or his father, but him.
Anyway, regardless of what you believe a "soul" is, it can die. Matt 10:28 says "Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna."
Everything refered to in the Bible as a soul has one.The soul has no heart beat.
Read further: John tells us what he means by the Lake of Fire. It is the second death, not eternal torment. Rev 20:14 "The lake of fire is the second death."
IOW the second death isn't only seperation as you stated earlier, but indeed evaporation or anihiliation the ceaseing to exist. Well that would clearly qualify as seperation, wouldn't it? That however isn't what you said. What you're clearly saying here to me is there is no such thing as eternal punishment. I think this is contrary to Scripture.Read further: John tells us what he means by the Lake of Fire. It is the second death, not eternal torment. Rev 20:14 "The lake of fire is the second death."
Nice. Explain to me how dying and being dead forever and ever and ever is somehow not eternal punishment.IOW the second isn't only seperation as you stated earlier, but indeed evaporation or anihiliation the ceaseing to exist. Well that would clearly qualify as sepoeration, wouldn't it? That however isn't what you said. What you're clearly saying here to me is there is no such thing as eternal punishment. I think this is contrary to Scripture.
Breath has no actions or emotional capabilities such as murder, stealing or the breaking of another aspect of the law. Breath isn't redeemed. Animals have no redeemable soul such as man. Animal do exactly as God made to behave within parameters. And yes they can be trained to unnatural behavior patterns for them by man as provided for in the command to Adam. Every plant or animal on the planet responds to food.Everything refered to in the Bible as a soul has one.
Everything from whales to mankind.
Sure after you explain annihiliation is punishment.Nice. Explain to me how dying and being dead forever and ever and ever is somehow not eternal punishment.
I think saying that people don't really die is contrary to scripture, specifically Romans 6:23 the wages of sin is death, 2 Thess 1:9 they pay the penalty of eternal destruction, among many other bible passages.
IOW, I am NOT saying "there is no such thing as eternal punishment", I just don't limit the definition of eternal punishment to only meaning being burned alive (while dead, yet somehow alive) in the fiery torture pit.
OK, Let's say someone breaks the law and needs to be punished. The crime was multiple murders. If the person is killed by lethal injection, then he was punished. He lost his life as punishment. How is this NOT punishment? Let's say the state went further and instead of lethal injection, killed the criminal by annihilation. How is that NOT punishment?Sure after you explain annihiliation is punishment.
OK, Let's say someone breaks the law and needs to be punished. The crime was multiple murders. If the person is killed by lethal injection, then he was punished. He lost his life as punishment. How is this NOT punishment? Let's say the state went further and instead of lethal injection, killed the criminal by annihilation. How is that NOT punishment?
So how is being dead forever and ever instead of being alive forever NOT punishment?
Yes they would need to exist to experience torment.How can someone be tormented if they cease to exist? Wouldn't they need to exist in order to experience torment?
Breath has no actions or emotional capabilities such as murder, stealing or the breaking of another aspect of the law. Breath isn't redeemed. Animals have no redeemable soul such as man. Animal do exactly as God made to behave within parameters. And yes they can be trained to unnatural behavior patterns for them by man as provided for in the command to Adam. Every plant or animal on the planet responds to food.
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner, If destruction is non-eternal, then the destroyed person becomes un-destroyed after a certain period of time. Making it decidedly NOT destruction.Winner! Winner! Chicken Dinner! Eternal torment would cease upon our destruction; making it decidedly non-eternal.
Winner! Winner! Chicken Dinner! Eternal torment would cease upon our destruction; making it decidedly non-eternal.
Yes they would need to exist to experience torment.
According to Romans 6:23, the wages of sin is death, not torment.
The punishment for sin is death, not torment. If someone is experiencing torment, they are not dead.
Then why does John say the lake of fire is where eternal torment is found?
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
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