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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
My first death and resurrection was in Christ.
The second death (when this earthly tabernacle is dissolved) has no power over me.
Praise Jesus!
(Rev 2:11) He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
The second death (when this earthly tabernacle is dissolved) has no power over me.
Praise Jesus!
(Rev 2:11) He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
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No, a dead body is not conscious. How did you get that from what I posted?
What do I mean death is not separation? It is not separation. Death is the absence of life. What do you mean by "death is separation"? Death and Separation are 2 different things. Apples are not the Empire State Building. Separation is not Death.
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The connection is probably more along the lines of separation and absence. eg death is absence of life could be stated death is separation from life. Not that separation is death itself. Absence can be problematic if you consider that Christ is the Life, but if you understand absence in terms of separation, a turning away, then it seems to make more sense.
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Hey David, Can I try?
Just as a person before they are born (conceived) has no heartbeat, isn't breathing, is not conscious of anything around them, and cannot do anything; a person after they are dead has no heartbeat, isn't breathing, is not conscious of anything around them, and cannot do anything.
When you are dead is it just like before you were born, Nothing.
ETA, After being resurrected to life, it is different. Then you do have life, therefore you can breath, you have a body, you can move around, and the like.
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We are already dead if we don't have Christ. That is the extent of it. Physical death just finalizes the death. Then, nothing remains as Tim is showing.
(Mat 8:22) But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
Unless we have been "quickened" in the Resurrection of Christ by our Baptism and receiving the Holy Spirit;
(Col 2:13) And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Any idea that unsaved souls aren't destroyed but still somehow survive in a separated awareness somewhere is pure paganism.
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Ah then the soul doesn't die. It is just seperated from the body at the demise of the body and God.
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I know that. And it appears that you think I'm merely asking because I have no clue. I'm not really that shallow and empty nor filled with religious teaching not founded on God's Word also called the Scriptures/Bible.
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I wonder if such a discussion is merely only tied to the present physical body and what happens to it. I certianly realize that we can't discuss this from a post humas position.
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Very interesting verse. How can a non heart beating body do anything? Of course I ask this in relation to already posted conversation. The dead can do nothing and know nothing. So how can Jesus be making sense here?
Is Jesus then teaching pure paganism when He talks about the rich man and Lazarus? How could God do this?
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In case you weren't kidding, the rich man and Lazarus was a parable. It was about Lazarus being saved and the rich man not being saved and why. It isn't an exposition intending for folk to believe in a rich man burning in awareness after dying lol. But I'm sure you know this as tongue in cheek as I've seen you write before
Carry on bro
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In case you weren't kidding, the rich man and Lazarus was a parable. It was about Lazarus being saved and the rich man not being saved and why. It isn't an exposition intending for folk to believe in a rich man burning in awareness after dying lol. But I'm sure you know this as tongue in cheek as I've seen you write before
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
This isn't a parable. Yep, tormented for ever and ever...
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