WHAT is Daniel's Abomination?

[The Righterzpen]

What depth of understanding the Last Saints have.

Really???

Then how come you didn't address my questions?

 

[5thKingdom]

@5thKingdom

Who's the "son of perdition". You know the Scripture tells us who the son of perdition is; don't you? (Hint: John 17:12)

No, the "Man of Sin" does not rise until the (4th) Great Tribulation Kingdom...
you CONFLATE the (3rd) Christian Kingdom

You cannot hope to understand the MEANING of a passage
when you cannot discern the CONTEXT

Have you looked up in a concordance the term "last day"? Not the term "last days", as in plural; but "last day", as in singular.

I am an expert on eschatology.
And your point is meaningless since I am not debating the difference between the "last days" and the "last day"
You offer a STRAWMAN and nothing more.

How about the term "last trump"? Have you looked that up in a concordance?

Same response as above

How about Matthew 25:31-46? Have you read that portion of Scripture?

I am an expert on eschatology...
of course I have read the passage

What does it say about the resurrection of the dead?

The passage you cited DOES NOT TALK about the resurrection...
WHY on earth do you assume it does?

How many times does Jesus "return"?

Once

In Daniel 7:13 when the passage talks about the Son of man "coming in the clouds of heaven"; where does that passage say he's going?

Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven,
and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

When was the atonement complete?

At the Cross
The Gospel is about the FINISHED work of Christ

Why would "no flesh be saved" if the "great tribulation" isn't "cut short"?

You do not know...

When was the atonement completed? (I.E. When was flesh saved?)

The Atonement was completed at the Cross

The Last Saint is saved at the end of the Great Commission... at the "End of the Age" [Mat 28:18-20]
This is PROVEN in Rev 7:1-3... why is this "news" to you?

The Bible teaches of a time BEFORE the Last Saint is saved (the Great Commission of the Church Age)
and a time AFTER the Last Saint is saved (the Great Tribulation of the Revelation Beast)

Why is this "news" to you?


Rev 7:1-3
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth,
that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the east,
having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.


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[5thKingdom]

Really???

Then how come you didn't address my questions?

I did address your questions...

WHAT question do you think I did not address?

.

 

[5thKingdom]

pretty sure that's why nobody is listening to you,
the fruit doesn't match the tree

But that is EXACTLY what the Bible PROMISES.
You embarrass yourself not knowing the Scripture


Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly:
and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.


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[Semper-Fi]

5thKingdom said:
What depth of understanding the Last Saints have.
LOL...
You cannot REFUTE a word I said... and yet you pretend I am arrogant?

And yet you do not know what arrogant means, it has nothing to do with
your doctrine. It was about your know it all bragging attitude toward others.

ar·ro·gance
[ˈerəɡəns]

NOUN

1. the quality of being arrogant:
   "the arrogance of this man is astounding"
   SIMILAR:
   haughtiness
   conceit
   hubris
   self-importance
   egotism
   sense of superiority
   pomposity
   high-handedness
   swagger
   boasting
   bumptiousness
   bluster
   condescension
   disdain
   contemptpride
   vanity
   immodesty
   loftiness
   lordliness
   snobbishness
   snobbery
   superciliousness
   smugness
   pretension
   pretentiousness
   affectation
   scorn
   mocking
   sneering
   scoffing
   presumption
   insolence

This arrogance you show to others here is not fruit of the spirit.
You do know the difference between arrogant and ignorance, right?

ig·no·rance
[ˈiɡnərəns]

NOUN

1. lack of knowledge or information:

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You fall into both categories because your doctrine has been REFUTED many times.

I pretend you are arrogant?

All anyone has to do is look at your replies to me and others on your many threads.

 

[5thKingdom]

And yet you do not know what arrogant means, it has nothing to do with
your doctrine. It was about your know it all bragging attitude toward others.

Again you embarrass yourself.

I have already told you that EVERYTHING I know about the Gospel was GIVEN to me...
there is no place for "arrogance"

It is NOT "bragging" to note the DEPTH of knowledge I possess...
it is a matter of fact.

Which YOU should know by now since you cannot REFUTE a single word from Scripture...
you can only DENY based on personal "feelings"... that means LESS than nothing.

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[Semper-Fi]

I rest my case: by your arrogant post to me just now.

• Proverbs 29:23 ​

  A man's pride shall bring him low: But honour shall uphold the humble in spirit.

 

[The Righterzpen]

I did address your questions...

WHAT question do you think I did not address?

.

LOL - You didn't address any of them!

You demand Scripture passages. I gave you Scripture passages; and you are going to deny what Scripture itself says!

Wow dude. That's some "expert" in eschatology you are! More like an expert in your own arrogance!

 

[5thKingdom]

I rest my case: by your arrogant post to me just now.

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Again you embarrass yourself.

I have already told you that EVERYTHING I know about the Gospel was GIVEN to me...
there is no place for "arrogance"

It is NOT "bragging" to note the DEPTH of knowledge I possess...
it is a matter of fact.

Which YOU should know by now since you cannot REFUTE a single word from Scripture...
you can only DENY based on personal "feelings"... that means LESS than nothing.

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[5thKingdom]

5thKingdom said:
I did address your questions...

WHAT question do you think I did not address?

LOL - You didn't address any of them!

LOL...
you cannot be bothered with identifying WHAT I did not address...

Then do not expect to be treated seriously.

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[The Righterzpen]

No, the "Man of Sin" does not rise until the (4th) Great Tribulation Kingdom...
you CONFLATE the (3rd) Christian Kingdom

You cannot hope to understand the MEANING of a passage
when you cannot discern the CONTEXT

Why than does Jesus Himself say Judas is the son of perdition "that the Scripture may be fulfilled"

Hum???
Why's Jesus say that?
Seeing how you have all the answers; explain that to me.

I am an expert on eschatology...
of course I have read the passage

The passage you cited DOES NOT TALK about the resurrection...
WHY on earth do you assume it does?

"When the Son of man shall return in His glory......" (Matthew 25:31) That doesn't have anything to do with the final resurrection?

Really????

Once

Well you got that right at least; Jesus only returns once!

At the Cross
The Gospel is about the FINISHED work of Christ

So if the atonement is compete at the cross; why would (all) flesh be in danger of "not being saved" when "the great tribulation" (which you assert comes after the crucifixion) happens after the atonement is complete?

You do not know...

Apparently you don't know either why "no flesh would be saved" if the "great tribulation" isn't "cut short".

The Last Saint is saved at the end of the Great Commission... at the "End of the Age" [Mat 28:18-20]
This is PROVEN in Rev 7:1-3... why is this "news" to you?

The Bible teaches of a time BEFORE the Last Saint is saved (the Great Commission of the Church Age)
and a time AFTER the Last Saint is saved (the Great Tribulation of the Revelation Beast)

Why is this "news" to you?


Rev 7:1-3
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth,
that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the east,
having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Jesus is the "lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Revelation 13:8) Explain how that jives with your version of eschatology.

 

[The Righterzpen]

5thKingdom said:
I did address your questions...

WHAT question do you think I did not address?




LOL...
you cannot be bothered with identifying WHAT I did not address...

Then do not expect to be treated seriously.

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Those dear arrogant one; are the questions you haven't addressed!

And you know that; although you would never admit that to me or anyone else.

Thus is the nature of fallen man. (Romans 1:20)

Unless of course you're just a troll on this site. (Which I don't deny that is a possibility too. The Internet is full of trolls.)

 

[5thKingdom]

Why than does Jesus Himself say Judas is the son of perdition "that the Scripture may be fulfilled"

Hum???
Why's Jesus say that?
Seeing how you have all the answers; explain that to me.

I will be glad to explain it to you.


First, we are talking about the "Man of Sin"... not Judas

Secondly, the Bible is crystal clear WHEN the "Man of Sin" exists (just before Jesus Returns)
and WHEN the "Man of Sin" is "revealed" (just before Jesus Returns)

So the Bible is crystal clear WHEN the "Man of Sin" exists and WHEN he is "revealed"...
it has nothing to do with Judas.


2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked BE REVEALED,
whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:


This is not hard

So if the atonement is compete at the cross; why would (all) flesh be in danger of "not being saved" when "the great tribulation" (which you assert comes after the crucifixion) happens after the atonement is complete?

There is no question the Atonement was complete at the Cross (that is WHEN He PAID for the sins of "His Sheep")

Secondly... the Scripture does NOT say all flesh would be in danger of not being saved...
you ADDED that to the text.

You fail to understand the difference between
WHEN Jesus paid for our sins and
WHEN each of us is regenerated (saved)

That is conflating two (2) subjects

Apparently you don't know either why "no flesh would be saved" if the "great tribulation" isn't "cut short".

No... you are half right.
YOU do not know... but I do.

Jesus is the "lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Revelation 13:8) Explain how that jives with your version of eschatology.

First, it is not MY VERSION of eschatology... you pretend.

Secondly, it's because God speaks of future events as already being accomplished
because NONE of His Plans can be prevented.

This is Theology 101 buddy...
why is it "news" to you?

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[5thKingdom]

Those dear arrogant one; are the questions you haven't addressed!

Buddy, I do not have time for games.

I asked you WHAT question I did not answer.

You refuse to TELL ME the questions

So you are wasting my time and yours.

When you want to get serious

THEN I will treat you seriously.

It's just that simple


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[Lost Witness]

when you cannot discern the CONTEXT

the HOLY spirit is who TRUE discernment comes from

 

[Lost Witness]

But that is EXACTLY what the Bible PROMISES.
You embarrass yourself not knowing the Scripture


Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly:
and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.


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the scripture also says "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are 'IN' Christ Jesus,"

 

[5thKingdom]

the HOLY spirit is who TRUE discernment comes from

LOL...

It is the Holy Spirit that GIVES discernment to the Saints...
it's the Saints that need to understand discernment.

With all due respect
It's clear that you do not know much about the Gospel
and you make nonsensical comments

You are wasting my time and I need to ignore you
Sorry... it's not my fault


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[5thKingdom]

5thKingdom said:
But that is EXACTLY what the Bible PROMISES.
You embarrass yourself not knowing the Scripture


Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly:
and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

the scripture also says "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are 'IN' Christ Jesus,"

Again your comment has NOTHING TO DO with my comment...
I need to ignore you unless/until you learn how to have a "conversation"
If that is possible at your age.

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[Lost Witness]

LOL...

It is the Holy Spirit that GIVES discernment to the Saints...
it's the Saints that need to understand discernment.

With all due respect
It's clear that you do not know much about the Gospel
and you make nonsensical comments

You are wasting my time and I need to ignore you
Sorry... it's not my fault


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only been reading scripture a few months but what has been discerned to me came from the LORD

 

[Lost Witness]

If that is possible at your age.

why insult?
from whom does the fruit of such a thing come from?