What is Charismatic Neo-Gnosticism and Why Should it Be Resisted?

[heron]

yeah, sometimes I go to recipe exchange for escape.
Sanctuary! Sanctuary!

 

[SavedByGrace3]

yeah, sometimes I go to recipe exchange for escape.
Sanctuary! Sanctuary!

I have a good string bean-onion ring recipe if you are interested...
It uses those canned fried onion ring thingies you see.
Really good.

The wife made a squash/potato/cheese casserole last night...
Nice cheese sauce.... baked until brown on top...
yum yum... I think I will have some leftovers for lunch!

 

[victoryword]

You guys are right....
Did you see the Panther/Steeler game last night!!!

TROUBLEMAKER!!

 

[victoryword]

I'm neither Arminian or Calvinist, but I've found the best way to get along with most other Christians is not to discuss specific theology.

I don't consider myself to be Arm or Cal either, though I may lean much more towards the Arm side and very very far away from the Cal side. Many of the Arminians I have met in my humble opinion go overboard in their vendetta against the so-called "eternal security" doctrine.

Now I guess I'll get some of the Arminians going after me

 

[heron]

Aw, Dids, my mom used to make the string bean one. I haven't bought those onion rings in years! (Durkee, everyone.)

Does she mix the potato with the squash, or layer it?

See, don't we all feel better.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Aw, Dids, my mom used to make the string bean one. I haven't bought those onion rings in years! (Durkee, everyone.)

Does she mix the potato with the squash, or layer it?

See, don't we all feel better.

Yessss... that is much better...
Instead of a Jedi Mind Trick, we could call this a Homer Drool Trick.
That's right.... lets all just settle back into a nice warm deep gravy coma....

 

[heron]

Is that doh, or d'oh, or aaaaugh?

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Is that doh, or d'oh, or aaaaugh?

Might be dough...

 

[Simon_Templar]

It has occurred to me in the last week that the only time people are getting along with each other are in the threads where nothing of value is discussed...
i.e.
"Superduper who-per?"
"Make a sentence with the letters of your last name"

So basicly, the only civil conversations people can have are useless prattle where no one cares about anything that is said....

This is true enough, personaly I think its because people are a bunch of babies who can't take it when others disagree with them.

 

[FrankFaith]

So basicly, the only civil conversations people can have are useless prattle where no one cares about anything that is said....

This is true enough, personaly I think its because people are a bunch of babies who can't take it when others disagree with them.

This is a real issue with me because right and wrong; good and bad DO exist. Jesus brought division wherever he went--and all he did was good stuff. The issue I have is not even that Jesus should be my example really, but that since evil is always not playing by the rules, when it tramples truth in all of the vile, twisted, selfish, disgusting ways that it does, truth winds up either silenced or slandered.

Because the spiritual players are good (itself) and evil (itself), I always want good to have the last word. I need to learn that not only is God in control, but good doesn't even have to have the last word--and God doesn't ntend that I force the matter. We win in the end no matter what. The Holy Spirit/Love must be my guide.

 

[JimB]

Jesus' righteous anger was directed toward shepherds of God's people who distorted the truth for their own convenience. Swaggart's indignation was directed outside the church, those not purporting to represent God. When God asked communities to humble themselves and pray, He was often asking His people to repent.

I think that God's sense of justice should rise up in every person, whether they have earned a certain level of respect or not. Usually when people resent the Church, they have a valid and specific reason for blame that stood out amidst the good the church offered. God isn't out to destroy people, but to get them to realize the ways they hurt others.

And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will. 2 Timothy 2.24-26

But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. James 3.17

Speak evil of no one, be peaceable, gentle, showing all humility to all men. Titus 3.2

Jesus said … I am gentle. Matthew 11.29

We don’t always follow the advice of scripture here, but gentleness, even in contentious situations, is one of the marked qualities of a man or woman of God.

~Jim

 

[heron]

That is simply "Getting to Yes," and universal persuasion techniques. We are silly if we think we'll change someone's convictions by insulting them.

 

[ChristianMuse]

Of course you do.
When you have something to say, I usually listen and at least consider what you are saying. Others who just copy and paste text from a website are just being bullies. I really do not care what they have to say because they have no concern for me.... that is not their motivation. They are just control freaks who have shown me no reason why I should care what they have to say. That is what makes a basher a basher.

But I am glad to hear your opinions... even if we disagree on some things.

There have been some very heated discussions here in CF. You have to take it to the next level sometimes. Then prayer over the situation can begin to change the heart and perspective of those caught up in these little disputes. What I do not like is a person who sits in the bush. They overlook the field, the lay of the land. If the land is a bit peaceful they take a potshot at a crowd of people. Before too long everyone in the field is caught up by excitement, innuendo and bad feelings. This is a delight to the person who started it all... the bushwhacker who has a different agenda that those in the field. Is this what has happened here? If so, why play his game?

I'll just jump out here on page 16 of the posts.

 

[FrankFaith]

That is simply "Getting to Yes," and universal persuasion techniques. We are silly if we think we'll change someone's convictions by insulting them.

I agree. I think that maybe, in addition to these failed attempts, some of these people are also really trying to warn others and help--really help. I believe this is why we should always respond in love and respect rather than angry dismissal and ignore them. A kind word also turns away wrath.

 

[Simon_Templar]

And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will. 2 Timothy 2.24-26

But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. James 3.17

Speak evil of no one, be peaceable, gentle, showing all humility to all men. Titus 3.2

Jesus said … I am gentle. Matthew 11.29

We don’t always follow the advice of scripture here, but gentleness, even in contentious situations, is one of the marked qualities of a man or woman of God.

~Jim

I was interested to find out that the term gentleness or meekness, used both in the beatitudes "the meek shall inherit the earth" and in the fruit of the spirit, in the greek carries the conotation of "to God" and it is really portraying an attitude of acceptance of God's will, basicly not being a cry baby when God does something you don't like, or doesn't do something you wanted.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't be humble towards other people, but people often mistake gentleness with sissified wimpyness.

Basicly, we need to remember that for everything there is a time appointed, the important thing is to make sure you are acting on the will of God imparted through the Holy Spirit and not on the will of your fleshly soul. (ie your self will).

 

[JimB]

I was interested to find out that the term gentleness or meekness, used both in the beatitudes "the meek shall inherit the earth" and in the fruit of the spirit, in the greek carries the conotation of "to God" and it is really portraying an attitude of acceptance of God's will, basicly not being a cry baby when God does something you don't like, or doesn't do something you wanted.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't be humble towards other people, but people often mistake gentleness with sissified wimpyness.

Basicly, we need to remember that for everything there is a time appointed, the important thing is to make sure you are acting on the will of God imparted through the Holy Spirit and not on the will of your fleshly soul. (ie your self will).

Maybe so, ST, but I have another take on it.

Back in the mid-80’s, before the great scandals, I had someone, who was a great admirer of his, tell me that Jimmy Swaggart had “great humility toward God even though he did not have it toward people” – in fact, he was downright arrogant and prideful toward people.

I did not buy it then, and I would not buy it now.

Because we do not like what the Bible tells us when it runs contrary to what we want to believe, does not mean we have the liberty to redefine words to fit our agenda or personality, IOW, to paint white as black and black as white, to avoid changing or repenting.

I have heard this novel re-definition of clearly understandable words, too, and just do not buy it.

~Jim

 

[ProAmerican]

Do YOU ever post anything nice about anybody??

Is there anybody you think is OK?

I notice that you use the same tactic of using a negative to describe someone and then ask them to defend themself. This is the same tactic used by liberals against conservatives when the conservative is trying to engage in an objective argument and the liberal resorts to subjective smears to decribe the one they are debating, instead of answering the questions posed by the conservative. I never thought that Christians would use the same tactics that liberals use, but I guess that I was wrong...

Is there anybody that you don't try to categorize with a negative and the ask them to defend themself?

You can continue to use your subjective, rhetorical tricks but they won't work on me.

Please, though, try to cross over into the realm of the objective and then try to remain there. This is the framework that one should use in debating with others....objectiveness!

 

[ProAmerican]

Like I said... I have no idea what he is all about other than reading what those who support him or degrade him have to say.
From what I understand, there are those who claim he has helped them. Great.
I have no intention on engaging in a "who said what" with anyone or attempting to defend what he said or did not say.
I have better things to do.
Have fun...

Problem is, is that Benny Hinn stated that he gained this info through 'revelation knowledge' or the Holy Spirits leadings as he put it. He was wrong about this 'revelation knowledge', and recanted it. One cannot trust revelation knowledge explicitly. One must stick to the Bible as ones guide. The Bible can always be trusted explicitly. That which is contained in the scriptures is that which we must go by. Anything outside of it is to be rejected when it comes to spiritual matters.

Hence, charismatics/word-of-faith-ers should reject revelation knowledge as their guide in spiritual matters, and rest instead upon the scriptures as their guide.

 

[ProAmerican]

From here, Christina, ProAm is no harder on WOF’ers than you are on non-WOF’ers. You seldom have anything good to say about them, either. What’s the difference?

~Jim

Thank you. Why is it that when I try to bring information concerning extremist teachers/teachings within the Charismatic/WOF movement that I must be subjected to the seemingly near-endless barrage of personal slams?

I have found that many Charismatics/WOF-ers that I have come across have little to no idea what some of their leaders are teching. When I show them some of the things which are being taught by leading Charismatic/WOFer leaders, instead of being thanked for showing them the heresies that are being taught, like 'we are little gods' & 'Jesus was born-again in hell', which Hagin, Copeland and others have taught, I am relentlessly attacked instead.

Then when you show them the numerous scriptures that we as Christians are to warn the body of Christ of false teachers and their teachings they flat out ignore it and continue with the personal slams. Do they not care about being warned about damnable heresies? Don't they care about their souls?

 

[SavedByGrace3]

So...
Lets say I come and proclaim "The scriptures tell me to kill witches".
Of coures a wrong conclusion.
But from your logic and your words:

"...Hence, charismatics/word-of-faith-ers should reject scripture as their guide in spiritual matters, and rest instead upon the scriptures as their guide..."

Abuse of water should not lead us to never drink.
Bad logic.

Problem is, is that Benny Hinn stated that he gained this info through 'revelation knowledge' or the Holy Spirits leadings as he put it. He was wrong about this 'revelation knowledge', and recanted it. One cannot trust revelation knowledge explicitely. One must stick to the Bible as ones guide. That can be trusted explicitely. That which is contained in the scriptures is that which we must go by. Anything outside of it is to be rejected when it comes to spiritual mattres.

Hence, charismatics/word-of-faith-ers should reject revelation knowledge as their guide in spiritual matters, and rest instead upon the scriptures as their guide.