What is CERN?

[Oafman]

According to Tyson if you want to blow up the earth, or the universe, then all you would need is to insert more energy then what is currently holding them together. I will do one better then Tyson, just turn off the energy holding them together and they will "explode" or begin to expand all by themselves.

Could you show your work? Do you understand that physicists calculate things, and don't simply make them up?

 

[Fireinfolding]

Hawking. Stephen Hawking. I see this misspelling a lot, and always wonder if people are conflating him with Richard Dawkins (hence Hawkins), seeing as they're both godless science types...

Anyway, did your extensive research actually lead you to read exactly what Hawking said on this subject? Or did it simply lead you to a handful of wacky and clueless interpretations of what he said?

The potential of a universe-destroying expanding vacuum bubble which Hawking referred to is a property of the Higgs field. Mathematically, it is possible that collisions of sufficient energy could generate this destructive bubble. Hawking being the clever chap he is, can calculate how much energy would be required for this (about 100bn giga-electron-volts, GeV), and can calculate how large a collider you would need to make it happen. Which is why he said:

So the question you have to ask yourself is, how big is the collider at CERN? Is it bigger than the Earth? Now, we know the LHC has a circumference of 17 miles. So, if you think that's bigger than the Earth, then maybe this is quite a risky thing for particle physicists to be doing. But if you think the LHC is smaller than the Earth, then you can relax, as there is no possibility of it generating anything close to sufficienty energy to create instability in the Higgs field.


Please say more. Please let us know where you read that 'paranormal activity' has been observed. You can't just throw in a claim like that with no extrapolation or links to back it up. It's obviously nonsense, but I would quite like to see the source of such nonsense.


I managed to watch about 10 minutes of this tripe. I can't work out whether this guy is more of a liar than he is an idiot, or the other way around.

I had to stop it at the point that, after misquoting and grossly misunderstanding statements from both Hawking and Neil Degrasse-Tyson, he made the claim that 'both of them are against what scientists are doing at CERN'. The opposite of this is true; like all physicists, they are hugely excited abvout the work going on at CERN, because it is pushing the barrier of our knowledge about how the universe works. To state that they are against it has to be a lie, as he cannnot have found a statement by either of them suggesting anything of the sort, so he must be lying. Isn't there something in Christianity about not bearing false witness?

So actually, it's not that both sciencists and pastors are warning against the activities at CERN, as you claimed. Scientists are saying it's fine, and some pastors are warning against it. If you wouldn't listen to a scientist talking about scripture, then don't listen to a pastor talking about science.

I had said I did not know anything scientific, I never even heard of CERN (ever) till this post, and I have never looked into it until this evening (and there was alot to cover). I stated I would not be able articulate what I was watching (scientifically) given I am not of a scientific mind (nor the sharpest tool in the shed) and it doesnt even take a real genious to figure that out. However, I would rather that folks check it out for themselves (because "what do I know"? as I openly asked, and answered the same sayin, "not too much")

So its a no brainer I dont know much, only that I felt it worth saying folks might want to look at this for themselves (and basically because I certainly can make a delivery in this sort of thing)

When posting the pastor on it I explained why I did, and it had nothing to do with communicating with the athiest but for the christian to search it out. And as I even stated I could have spun the bottle and landed on that pastor, I was not too picky or even pushing the man (or whatever his doctrine or church) what I wanted was someone who mentions the scientist the videos were mentioning (who I dont know) and reason why I dont know how to spell his name nor even care too much about how to do so, those things dont matter anything to me, I know the difference between "you're and your" but I chose your just because I am lazy with apsotrophes, so I will get on the grammar and spelling polices nerves (I always do).

You dont have to mistake me for someone who cares to push whatever this CERN thing is (I still dont know what it is) Im not a scientist (or pretent to know). I was trying to find the simplest way to have another communicate it (as breifly and as simply as I was gathering from those who were speaking way over my head in terms I am not familar, and of men I dont know) and so did so in order to encourage others to search it out for themselves.

Not get it from me, not really get the whole of it from the pastor, but to get enough to go off on their own, not so I can wrangle over my spelling or insult a pastor with an athiest (who I never even cared to speak to) as I stated it was for the christian (not non).

However, if you werent a christian and you arent encouraged to look, and just want to tell me about my spelling, or that you cannot get through a 30 minute video (and want to wrangle with me) Im not interested as I know nothing more then what I spent all night searching out, and if anyone feels its unimportant to look into thats between themselves not me, do what you want.

 

[joshua 1 9]

"Just".

Sure why not, flip the switch. Actually the universe is expanding. So if you were to flip the switch then the universe would start a "cosmological collapse" which we are told is "imminent". http://phys.org/news/2015-03-universe-brink-collapse-cosmological-timescale.html Do you really think Tyson can show how he would insert enough energy into a planet to get it to explode? Maybe Hawking can figure that out.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Could you show your work? Do you understand that physicists calculate things, and don't simply make them up?

Yes I understand a little bit of physics. It is still a theory even if you use it as a part of your daily job to build the world that we live in.

 

[Armoured]

Sure why not, flip the switch. Actually the universe is expanding. So if you were to flip the switch then the universe would start a "cosmological collapse" which we are told is "imminent". http://phys.org/news/2015-03-universe-brink-collapse-cosmological-timescale.html

Uh-huh. What "switch" exactly, and how do you intend to "flip" it?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Uh-huh. What "switch" exactly, and how do you intend to "flip" it?

You and Sheldon do not understand sarcasm do you? The term: flip the switch refers to genetics and I was using sarcasm to apply the term to cosmology. Otherwise if you want to know how the universe will go from an expanding to a shrinking universe then read the article. That is why I listed the link.

 

[Armoured]

You and Sheldon do not understand sarcasm do you? The term: flip the switch refers to genetics and I was being sarcastic and applying the term to cosmology.

Maybe lay off the sarcasm until you've explained what the heck you're talking about in the first place? It's kinda hard to keep up. Frankly, I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Maybe lay off the sarcasm until you've explained what the heck you're talking about in the first place? It's kinda hard to keep up. Frankly, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Ok, lets go back to your comment. You said "Could you show your work?" in response to a quote from Tyson. Sense he is making the claim then it is up to him to support that claim. That is why I qualified the source of what I was saying so that it's up to him to substantiate his claim.

Maybe lay off the sarcasm

From what I hear they have this Poe's Law where I was suppose to insert a smile face to let people know not to take the statement serious. I do not know if that is required on here or not.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Please say more. Please let us know where you read that 'paranormal activity' has been observed. You can't just throw in a claim like that with no extrapolation or links to back it up. It's obviously nonsense, but I would quite like to see the source of such nonsense.

Also, just so you are aware, I wasnt dodging your question on a source here, I posted it but since you had stated you couldnt listen past ten minutes of that man's tripe (in the video provided) as you referred to it and having decided against listening to the rest of the video you missed it. That was the source of those words you claim you want to see (but you really dont). And I only chose him as a source (not of all the information) but rather a better conveyer of the same (in more simpler terms) having chosen him for the reason I had stated only.

And so as it pertained to my mention of this paranoral activity followed up by my saying, and "that is all I will say" it was because I was only mentioning what was was provided in the vid, a recap of what I heard (and who gave more of an overall to what I was hearing in alot of the other videos).

So when you say,

"You can't just throw in a claim like that with no extrapolation or links to back it up".

It was "not me" that was claiming anything, I had claimed I know nothing (that is "my particular" claim).

You claim you want something to back up my words (which are not my own words) but the mention of the mans words in the video I provided but then you refuse that video because its tripe.

Then say,

"It's obviously nonsense, but I would quite like to see the source of such nonsense."

Which would be "the tripe source" (as you refer to it)

So when you say you would like to see the source of such nonesense, you really wouldnt (because the source for that particular nonsense is the same one for the tripe

You said, "please let us know", and so I am just letting you know

 

[Armoured]

Ok, lets go back to your comment. You said "Could you show your work?" in response to a quote from Tyson. Sense he is making the claim then it is up to him to support that claim. Perhaps you can find something on Youtube. That is why I qualified the source of what I was saying so that it's up to him to substantiate his claim.

You can't even keep who you're quoting straight. I never said anything about Tyson, nor showing your work. No wonder sarcasm is proving problematic.

 

[Armoured]

Also, just so you are aware, I wasnt dodging your question on a source here, I posted it but since you had stated you couldnt listenpast ten minutes of that man's tripe in the video provided (as you referred to it) having decided against listening to the rest of the video you missed it. That was the source of those words you claim you want to see (but you really dont). And I only chose him as a source (not of all the information) but rather a better conveyer of the same (in more simpler terms) having chosen him for the reason I had stated only.

And so as it pertained to my mention of this paranoral activity followed up by my saying, and "that is all I will say" it was because I was only mentioning what was was provided in the vid, a recap of what I heard (and who gave more of an overall to what I was hearing in alot of the other videos).

Are these "sources" just talking about paranormal activity, or actually demonstrating any?

 

[joshua 1 9]

You can't even keep who you're quoting straight. I never said anything about Tyson, nor showing your work. No wonder sarcasm is proving problematic.

joshua 1 9>
According to Tyson if you want to blow up the earth, or the universe, then all you would need is to insert more energy then what is currently holding them together. I will do one better then Tyson, just turn off the energy holding them together and they will "explode" or begin to expand all by themselves.

You replyed "Just". So if you want to go back and start all over again then tell me what you mean by the word "Just".

I explained about the expanding universe vs the shrinking universe and gave you a link to explain it to you. This gets into a discussion on dark matter. If you ask Tyson to explain this he will say: we haven't a clue. He calls this the longest standing unsolved problem in modern physics. So we really do not know what holds this universe together because our understanding of gravity has to do with mass and dark energy does not seem to have any mass.

Tyson does not have the answer or solution so it looks like he was making a joke. If you have seen his current show it is very common for him to have a comedian as a part of the discussion to make comments about the cosmological concepts that we do not understand.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Are these "sources" just talking about paranormal activity, or actually demonstrating any?

I had ran across nothing that visually demonstrated any "moving video" kind of thing that made claims of proofs. I only came across one presenting a picture which attempted to be passed as proof, but that doesnt prove anything.

I dont typically look into the paranormal, but I dont need to be convinced of spirits of demons either, but again, on the otherhand, the ones Jesus cast out of people didnt need some CERN Switzerland portal for them to arrive or abide.

I will let you know if I come across any, as of yet its been only been a matter of days that I heard of CERN at all, and a matter of hours looking into the same, I cannot make my mind up on something until its thoroughly searched out.

 

[morningstar2651]

The brower requires you to set your preferences when you first use it. It is little more then clicking on a button that is no different then any other button your clicking on. So your actually making my point for me that the supreme court is not providing adequate protection for our youth, here in this country and around the world.

It's not Scalia's job to raise your children. If they're your children, then it's your job to be their parent.

 

[morningstar2651]

You can if you want, that is fine with me. Only problem with your logic is that I am not making any claims. I have no interest in making any claims. So that pretty much just leaves you to having to deal with your own shadow. No reason to get me involved in it.

Let's take it from the top...

Demons are loosed on Earth through the internet because of the Supreme Court.

At least that makes sense, we can clearly see where where demons are loosed on the earth through the internet. With no small thanks to the US Supreme Court.

Tower(s) of Babel are still in Iraq

The towers are still there in iraq. During the gulf war the soldiers liked to go to those sites to have their photo taken in front of the ruins at the archeological sites. We do not know much about what happened there. There is very little written history from that point in time. What we have in our Bible is very brief.

ISIS, portals to Hell, Demons, and D&D.

Kat Kerr talks about portals and she also talks about demons. I don't know as much about it as she does.

Concerning dungeons and dragons. Isis is controlling that part of the world now. So I am sure there are lots of stories of that sort of thing going on. Daughters sold into sex slavery if the Father can not pay her ransom and that sort of thing.

The Supreme Court opened the internet for porn.

There have been a lot of cases before the supreme court that has opened up the internet for porn. Here is a overview of some of them. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/prosecuting/overview.html

Porn is blocked by default

Do you really not know how the browser software works on your computer? If you want to block your computer so no one can use it to look at porn, then they have a software you can buy for that. Otherwise the porn is blocked by default so that you have to click on a button to view material that results in the ruin of many people.

Constitutionality of laws doesn't matter. It's the supreme court's job to protect children from "defilement".

What do I care what their lame reason or supposed justification was. The result is still the same. The supreme court struck down the laws designed to protect children from being exposed to pornography and other internet filth and debauchery. They failed to do their job of protecting our youth from defilement.

Again what does this have to do with Cern and the supposed opening of portals?

I don't know...you tell us - you brought the topic up.

 

[Oafman]

When posting the pastor on it I explained why I did, and it had nothing to do with communicating with the athiest but for the christian to search it out. And as I even stated I could have spun the bottle and landed on that pastor, I was not too picky or even pushing the man (or whatever his doctrine or church)

How do you search on Youtube or elsewhere, looking to find out what is happening at CERN, and end up at a video of that pastor? What search terms do you need to enter to reach that video? There are so many genuine videos out there of people talking about the experiments that are being done in the LHC, and about what they teach us; why not watch those? The LHC is an extremely complicated experiment at the cutting edge of science - what would an unqualified pastor know of it?

what I wanted was someone who mentions the scientist the videos were mentioning (who I dont know)

I already posted Hawking's exact comments earlier in this thread, in response to a different post.

However, if you werent a christian and you arent encouraged to look, and just want to tell me about my spelling, or that you cannot get through a 30 minute video (and want to wrangle with me) Im not interested as I know nothing more then what I spent all night searching out, and if anyone feels its unimportant to look into thats between themselves not me, do what you want.

If you really wanted to inspire your fellow Christians to research for themselves what is happening at CERN, then why didn't you post any links or videos to what is actually happening there, rather than only posting a bunch of unsubstantiated drivel from people who clealry don't have the first idea about the experiment or the science behind it?

 

[Oafman]

Seriously now, all of you. Opening interdimensional portals through which demons travel happens in Lord of the Rings, and in Dan Brown novels.

But the LHC isn't fictional, it exists here in reality, where demonic portals are just not a thing.

 

[Oafman]

Yes I understand a little bit of physics. It is still a theory even if you use it as a part of your daily job to build the world that we live in.

What is still a theory? Physics?

And "still" suggests there is somewhere left to go, on the scale of certainty, beyond a theory. There isn't.

 

[James Is Back]

A portal to hell opened up hmmm sounds like a first person shooter game ready to be made. Let's call it Doom

Seriously though I think this topic is way out there.

 

[joshua 1 9]

What is still a theory? Physics?

And "still" suggests there is somewhere left to go, on the scale of certainty, beyond a theory. There isn't.

An example is color theory. It is just a theory but we use color theory and the color wheel all the time.