Anti-Christ European What is 666 (the mark of the beast?)

[Freedom Now]

Well, it is a conundrum. If it must be a number, and it wasn't mistaken as an Arabic symbol that means "in the name of allah", or it doesn't have a symbolic meaning to be calculated as a name by using gematria, then maybe it is pointing to man's method of calculating numbers. For instance, 42 months is a number that is a method of man's calculations. Years, days, hours, minutes are and things are calculated. 144,000 men, 1260 days, 5 months are all numerical values of man.
It does say that we are to calculate the number 666. In other words, with wisdom and understanding we take that number and calculate it to mean something. Since it was written, they haven't been able to do it other than coming up with Nero, but that only works for prederists. Since this is a future event/person, Nero is not an option.
Since it is identifying a man, then 666 years is not possible, 666 days is too short, but how about 666 months? That would equal 55.5 years. Just maybe this anti-Christ will be 55.5 years old when he takes his throne.
Maybe this is a coincidence, but Obama was born on Aug. 4, 1961. If you add 55.5 years you come to Feb. 4, 2017 about two weeks after he's out of office ... or will he be? Some have speculated that if any nation were to wage war against the U.S., it would be on Obama's watch. Therefore, if it happened prior to the election, he could declare Marshall Law, especially if catastrophic events took place and the U.S. was in chaos. He would then make his biggest executive order and postpone the election until the nation was secure and stable. So, no election (which many are seriously concerned about anyways), no inauguration and there you have it.
So, if WWIII breaks out in the next few months, we may be able to identify who this anti-Christ is. Now of course, there may be an Islamic leader who is 55.5 years old as well. And that would surely support my previous view that the anti-Christ will be an Islamic leader. But Obama just happens to be the most powerful man on the planet for now.
Imagine if this happens and someone attempted to cause him to suffer a deadly injury to the head and 3 days later, he wakes up out of a coma, possessed by Satan himself?
Could this happen to be the wise calculation that the scripture was referring to? If not, maybe I should write a movie script with my imagination?

I find it very laughable that people consider the president of the USA, the most powerful man on earth.

Especially when "christians" say it.

 

[Ronald]

I find it very laughable that people consider the president of the USA, the most powerful man on earth.

Especially when "christians" say it.

His authority is powerful, as commander in chief of the only super-power now. But every president of the USA was given that status -- even though Obama is weak in his actions and policies.

 

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Endtime Survivors said in post 138:

Daniel 9 talks about a "prince", but it's written in such as way that it almost certainly has a duel meaning. It talks about the messiah (which is Jesus) and of course Jesus is the prince of peace, but Satan is also the prince of this world and the prince form the prophecy is described as doing something which Jesus both will and wont' do. It says this prince makes an agreement with many for "1 week" (i.e. 7 years) but in the middle of this "week" he reneges on his part of the deal and causes the sacrifices to cease.

In Daniel 9:26, the original Hebrew word (karath: H3772) translated as "cut off" can refer to when a peace treaty/covenant is "made" (Genesis 21:27). The 1st century AD fulfillment of Daniel 9:26a was at the Crucifixion, when the true Messiah, Jesus, made the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 9:15-17). But a future fulfillment of Daniel 9:26a will be when the Antichrist makes a peace treaty, which will be a fulfillment of the covenant in Daniel 9:27 and the league in Daniel 11:23, with a future, ultra-Orthodox Jewish false "Messiah" in Jerusalem, after he and his followers are militarily defeated by the Antichrist (Daniel 11:22-23). So this future fulfillment of Daniel 9:26a can refer to this false Messiah being "cut off" in the sense of being "covenanted", peace-treatied.

This treaty will allow this false "Messiah" and his followers to keep a 3rd Jewish temple which they will have built on Jerusalem's Temple Mount (after they or great earthquakes have destroyed the Muslim structures there), and to (mistakenly) continue to perform the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices in front of the temple for at least 7 years (Daniel 9:27a), so long as they give up the outer court of the temple (Revelation 11:2a) to the Muslims so that the Muslims can rebuild the (by that time destroyed) Al Aqsa Mosque on the southern end of the Temple Mount and resume worship there. After "cutting" this treaty (Daniel 9:26a), the Antichrist could appear before the "many" (Daniel 9:27) nations represented at the U.N. General Assembly, and "confirm" (Daniel 9:27) that for at least 7 years he will keep this treaty with the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem, using this as purported proof to the world that he is (in his words) "a man of peace, and no Hitler".

In Daniel 9:27, "he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease" refers to when, only some 3.5 years after making the peace treaty of Daniel 9:26a,27a and Daniel 11:23a, the Antichrist will break the treaty, attack the 3rd temple, stop the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices, place the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the temple (Daniel 9:27b, Daniel 11:31, Matthew 24:15), and then sit himself (at least one time) in the temple and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). Thus could begin the Antichrist's literal, 3.5-year Luciferian (Satanic) worldwide reign of terror (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9; 2 Thessalonians 2:9).

At the very end of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, the Antichrist (Daniel 11:45) and the world's armies will pillage Jerusalem right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Zechariah 14:2-21). And at the 2nd coming, there will be tremendous earth changes in the vicinity of Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:4-5). These events could result in all of Jerusalem's structures, including the 3rd temple and the Wailing Wall (also called the Western Wall), being broken down so that not one stone will be left on another (Luke 19:44, Matthew 24:2). Then the returned Jesus (Zechariah 14:4, Acts 1:11-12) will rebuild Jerusalem and make it the capital of the world (Zechariah 14:8-19, Micah 4:1-4). He will also build a 4th temple there (Zechariah 14:20-21, Zechariah 6:12-13). It will serve a similar function for the church during the future millennium (of Revelation 20:4-6) as the 2nd temple served for the church in the 1st century AD (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17), and as the temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19) serves for those in heaven (Revelation 7:15).

Endtime Survivors said in post 138:

The physical (Jesus' followers are the temple now) vs the physical (rebuilding a stone temple for sacrifices) would be a slap in Jesus' face.

While the church as a whole is indeed a figurative temple building (Ephesians 2:21), note that it isn't the only temple of God. For it coexisted with the literal, 2nd temple building which was in Jerusalem in the 1st century AD (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17), just as the church coexisted, and still coexists today, with the literal temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19), and with the temple of Jesus' individual human body (John 2:21), and with the temple of every Christian's individual human body (1 Corinthians 6:19). And if the church-as-a-whole temple can currently coexist with all these other temples of God, it will be able to coexist with the future, 3rd-earthly-literal temple building which Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 show will exist in Jerusalem during the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. This 3rd temple building will be accepted by God as a valid temple, just as the 2nd temple building was accepted by God as a valid temple, even at the time of Jesus' 1st coming (Matthew 23:21), and even at the time of the early church (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17).

For the ultra-Orthodox Jews will build the 3rd temple, and they will offer animal sacrifices in front of it, under the auspices of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, which remains holy before God (Romans 7:12). That is why God still keeps an ark of the Old Covenant Mosaic law in his temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19), and why it was possible for the apostle Paul one time to involve himself with the 2nd temple's Old Covenant Mosaic law practices without him committing sin (Acts 21:20-26; 1 Corinthians 9:20). This isn't to say that the Jesus-denying motives of the ultra-Orthodox Jews will be holy before God, but that the Old-Covenant-Mosaic-law 3rd temple in itself and its animal sacrifices in themselves will be holy before God, because the Old Covenant Mosaic law in itself remains holy before God (Romans 7:12), even though its letter is no longer meant to be practiced by people (Romans 7:6), because the New Covenant has been inaugurated by Jesus and his once-for-all-time sacrifice on the Cross for our sins (Hebrews 10:1-23, Matthew 26:28).

Endtime Survivors said in post 138:

An angel makes reference to this in Revelation 11:8, referring to the temple in Jerusalem as "Sodom and Egypt".

Note that Revelation 11:8 doesn't refer to the temple.

 

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Straightshot said in post 139:

The other prince in view, the little horn of Daniel's visions, will not and cannot confirm the Lord's covenant, but will come to desecrate [he will invade and occupy Israel, Jerusalem, and the temple mount]

This action will cause Israel to cease sacrificial worship at the western wall of the temple mount as they do today .... and they will have to flee for their protection [Zechariah 14:4-5; Matthew 24:15-16; Revelation 12:6; 12:14]

Regarding "Zechariah 14:4-5; Matthew 24:15-16; Revelation 12:6; 12:14", note that Zechariah 14:4-5 will occur at the 2nd coming, whereas Matthew 24:15-16 and Revelation 12:6,14 will occur mid-tribulation.

That is, Zechariah 14:5a isn't referring to the fleeing of people in the church into the mountains, the wilderness (as in Matthew 24:15-16 and Revelation 12:6,14), at the midpoint of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. Instead, Zechariah 14:5a is referring only to a post-tribulation, 2nd-coming fleeing of surviving unsaved elect Jews in Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:2-5), who will become believers and get saved when they see the returned Jesus in person (Zechariah 12:10-14, Romans 11:25-32).

They could have survived the Antichrist's just-preceding reign because they were either in hiding or under the protection of the 2 witnesses (Revelation 11:3,5).

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Regarding Zechariah 14:4-5, note what it says in its entirety:

Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and YHWH my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

Verse 4 refers to the feet of YHWH God the Son (Hebrews 1:8), who is in the flesh (Luke 24:39; 2 John 1:7).

Jesus' 2nd-coming, bodily descent from the clouds of the sky (Matthew 24:30) to set his feet on the Mount of Olives (Zechariah 14:3-5) will be just as literal and physical as his 1st-coming bodily ascension from the Mount of Olives into a cloud of the sky (Acts 1:9-12, Luke 24:39).

Jesus' landing on the earth at his 2nd coming (Zechariah 14:4) won't occur until after the physically resurrected (if dead) or changed (if alive) people in the church have been raptured into the clouds to hold a meeting in the sky with Jesus (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-53, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6).

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Regarding Zechariah 14:5 saying that Jesus will come "with" all the saints, note that Jesus' coming FOR the saints and WITH the saints will occur at the same 2nd coming. For 1 Thessalonians 3:13 and 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 show that at Jesus' 2nd coming, the souls of all obedient dead believers of all times will be brought down from the 3rd heaven with Jesus (1 Thessalonians 4:14-15), and their souls will descend to the earth, and their physical bodies will resurrect/rise from their graves (1 Thessalonians 4:16). Then they and all believers who will survive the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 on the earth (those who will still be "alive and remain") will be raptured up high into the air above the places all around the globe where they will be (1 Thessalonians 4:17a), and then they will be gathered together from the sky (the 1st heaven) all around the globe (Matthew 24:31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1) to the one place in the sky where the returned Jesus will be (1 Thessalonians 4:17b), which will be in the clouds above Jerusalem, before he descends to set his feet on the Mount of Olives (Zechariah 14:4-5, Acts 1:11-12).

It is because of this 2nd-coming rapture into the sky, and then the gathering to where in the sky Jesus will be (and then the marriage of the obedient part of the church there to Jesus: Revelation 19:7-8, Matthew 25:1-12), that the obedient part of the church will already be with Jesus when he subsequently descends from the sky (the 1st heaven) to the earth (Revelation 19:14, Revelation 17:14, Zechariah 14:5c,4).

Straightshot said in post 139:

The other prince in view, the little horn of Daniel's visions, will not and cannot confirm the Lord's covenant, but will come to desecrate [he will invade and occupy Israel, Jerusalem, and the temple mount]

This action will cause Israel to cease sacrificial worship at the western wall of the temple mount as they do today .... and they will have to flee for their protection [Zechariah 14:4-5; Matthew 24:15-16; Revelation 12:6; 12:14]

Regarding Matthew 24:15-16:

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Note that there are many churches in Judaea (southern Israel) today. And they contain mostly Gentile believers, not just Jewish believers. The church began and has always been in Judaea: "Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea" (Acts 9:31); "the churches of Judaea" (Galatians 1:22); "the churches... in Judaea" (1 Thessalonians 2:14). Matthew 24:16 refers to those in the church, both Gentiles and Jews, who will be living in Judaea at the future point in time when the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) is set up in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem (Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31).

The Antichrist's persecution of the church could begin in Jerusalem and Judaea right after the abomination of desolation is set up, and the Antichrist himself sits in the temple (at least one time) and proclaims himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). So to avoid this persecution (cf. Matthew 10:23a), those in the church living in Judaea should flee immediately after they see the abomination of desolation set up (Matthew 24:15-16), which event could occur at the midpoint of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, and which event could mark the start of the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:4-18). Eventually, the Antichrist's persecution of the church (not in hiding) will reach every nation (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-13), so that the basic principle of Matthew 24:16, of fleeing (the Antichrist's persecution), would apply to believers around the world.

Just as the woman in Revelation 12:6 represents many different people in the church around the world, so the protected wilderness place she flees to represents many different, protected wilderness places around the world. When those in the church living in Judaea see the abomination of desolation set up (Matthew 24:15), they should flee into places in the wilderness east of Judaea, the mountains (Matthew 24:16) of Jordan. And those in the church who will be living in places in the world other than Judaea should flee into other wilderness places, mountainous places (Ezekiel 7:16), in the regions of the world where they live.

And they should have prepared beforehand hideouts in these wilderness/mountain places, hideouts already fully stocked with all the emergency supplies of canned food, bottled water, warm clothing and bedding, etc., that they and their families and fellow Christians will need to survive (1 Timothy 5:8, Matthew 24:45-46, cf. Genesis 41:48,36, Genesis 45:7) until Jesus returns, possibly on the 1,335th day after the abomination of desolation is set up (Daniel 12:11-12, Revelation 16:15). For they shouldn't carry any supplies with them when they flee (Matthew 24:17-18). They should flee as unhindered and quickly as possible, knowing that when the abomination of desolation is set up, that could signal the beginning of the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year Luciferian (Satanic) worldwide reign of terror (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9), when he will be given power to make war against all Biblical Christians that he can get his hands on, and to physically overcome them and kill them (by beheading) in every nation (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-13).

Straightshot said in post 139:

The other prince in view, the little horn of Daniel's visions, will not and cannot confirm the Lord's covenant, but will come to desecrate [he will invade and occupy Israel, Jerusalem, and the temple mount]

This action will cause Israel to cease sacrificial worship at the western wall of the temple mount as they do today .... and they will have to flee for their protection [Zechariah 14:4-5; Matthew 24:15-16; Revelation 12:6; 12:14]

Regarding Matthew 24:15:

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)

Here Jesus is referring to Daniel 11:31.

Regarding the "abomination of desolation", Daniel 11:31 was typically fulfilled by the abomination of desolation in 1 Maccabees 1:54, which occurred in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the 2nd Jewish temple in Jerusalem in the time of Antiochus IV. But per Jesus' statement in Matthew 24:15, the church will see the abomination of desolation in Daniel 11:31 fulfilled (antitypically) in the future, when the church will see the abomination of desolation stand in the holy place (of a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem). This future abomination of desolation could be a standing, android image of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:15) which his followers ("they") will put in the holy place of the temple (Daniel 11:31) to be worshipped (Revelation 13:15), after they have stopped the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices which the ultra-Orthodox Jews will have restarted in front of the temple (Daniel 11:31). This image will pollute the holy place of the temple (Daniel 11:31).

The Antichrist will then fulfill Daniel 11:36 and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 by sitting himself (at least one time) in the temple and proclaiming himself God. By the power of Satan (the dragon, Revelation 12:9), the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") will then rule and be worshipped by all the nations of the earth for 3.5 literal years (Revelation 13:4-18), and will physically overcome Biblical Christians (not in hiding) in every nation (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-13).

Also, from the day on which (antitypically) "the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be 1,290 days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the 1,335 days" (Daniel 12:11-12, Revelation 16:15). Also, because the Antichrist will fulfill Daniel 11:31 antitypically (Matthew 24:15) and will fulfill Daniel 11:36 for the 1st (and only) time, then he will also fulfill all of Daniel 11:21-45 (the 1st part of it antitypically, and the rest for the 1st and only time) when he arises on the world stage, for that passage refers to the career of the same man. And since the Antichrist will fulfill all of Daniel 11:21-45 when he arises on the world stage, then just preceding his arising on the world stage, Daniel 11:13-19 could be fulfilled antitypically by a future, Iraqi Baathist General completely defeating and occupying Israel and Egypt with a huge Iraqi Army (Daniel 11:15-17; in verse 17 the original Hebrew word translated as "daughter" is "bath").

Straightshot said in post 139:

The other prince in view, the little horn of Daniel's visions, will not and cannot confirm the Lord's covenant, but will come to desecrate [he will invade and occupy Israel, Jerusalem, and the temple mount]

This action will cause Israel to cease sacrificial worship at the western wall of the temple mount as they do today .... and they will have to flee for their protection [Zechariah 14:4-5; Matthew 24:15-16; Revelation 12:6; 12:14]

Regarding Revelation 12:6 and Revelation 12:14:

Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Here the woman represents the church (which is Israel: Romans 11:1,17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29, Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10). For she is clothed with the sun (Revelation 12:1) of righteousness (Malachi 4:2) through her faith in Jesus Christ (Romans 3:22), just as later we see the church clothed with righteousness (Revelation 19:8). And the moon under her feet (Revelation 12:1) represents Satan under her feet (Romans 16:20) as she overcomes him spiritually by her faith in Jesus (Revelation 12:11). And the crown of 12 stars on her head (Revelation 12:1) represents the 12 apostles (of Matthew 10:2-4, Acts 1:16-26), who have been placed over the church (1 Corinthians 12:28).

Her giving birth to the "man child", and his being caught up to the throne of God (Revelation 12:5) immediately before she flees into the wilderness for a literal 3.5 years (Revelation 12:6), represents the future, mid-tribulation catching up of the 144,000 male-virgins part of the church in their mortal bodies to the throne of God in heaven (Revelation 14:1,4-5, Textus Receptus), like how Enoch and Elijah were caught up in their mortal bodies to heaven (Hebrews 11:5; 2 Kings 2:11).

Her fleeing into and remaining in a protected wilderness place for a literal 3.5 years (Revelation 12:6,14) represents those in the church who will flee into and remain in divinely-protected wilderness places during the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-18), which will occur during the latter half of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24.

The remnant of her seed (Revelation 12:17) represents those in the church during that time who won't flee into wilderness places, but will remain in the cities and be persecuted in every nation, and be imprisoned and beheaded by the Antichrist (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-13).

Also, Genesis 37:9-10 isn't (as is sometimes claimed) being referred to in Revelation 12:1. For in Revelation 12:1, the church/Israel isn't clothed with the man Jacob (Genesis 37:9-10), but with the sun of righteousness (Malachi 4:2), through her faith in Jesus Christ (Romans 3:22), just as later we see the church/Israel clothed with righteousness (Revelation 19:8, cf. also Revelation 21:2,9,12). Also, the church/Israel doesn't have the woman Rachel under her feet (Genesis 37:9-10), but Satan (Romans 16:20), as the church/Israel overcomes him spiritually by her faith in Jesus (Revelation 12:11). And the church/Israel doesn't have Jacob's 12 sons placed over her (Genesis 37:9-10), but the 12 apostles (1 Corinthians 12:28, Matthew 10:2, Acts 1:26), each one of whom will rule over one of her 12 tribes (Matthew 19:28, Luke 22:30).

Straightshot said in post 139:

The Lord's next temple on the mount will be His millennial temple [2 Thessalonians 2:3-12; Revelation 11:2] .... notice that the mount is "without" the Lord's temple during the tribulation

Regarding Revelation 11:2:

Revelation 11:2
But the court which is without [outside] the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

This refers to a literal outer court of a Jewish temple building which will be on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem during the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, just as Matthew 24:15 and Daniel 11:31 refer to that temple's holy place (inner sanctum), and just as 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and Daniel 11:36 refer to the Antichrist eventually sitting in that temple (at least one time) and proclaiming himself God.

That is, the temple in Revelation 11:1-2 is the same future, literal, 3rd-earthly temple as Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4, the outer court of which will eventually be given to the Gentiles (Revelation 11:2), the same Gentiles who will later tread the earthly Jerusalem under foot for 42 literal months (Revelation 11:2).

 

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Ronald said in post 140:

And that would surely support my previous view that the anti-Christ will be an Islamic leader. But Obama just happens to be the most powerful man on the planet for now.

Note that Obama isn't the Antichrist, because the gematrial "number of the name" of the person who is the Antichrist is 666 (Revelation 13:17c-18, Revelation 15:2), while the gematrial number of the name "Barack Hussein Obama" is 793:

B=2, A=1, R=90, A=1, C=3, K=20, H=8, U=300, S=100, S=100, E=5, I=9, N=50, O=60, B=2, A=1, M=40, A=1. Total = 793.

Ronald said in post 140:

Since this is a future event/person, Nero is not an option.

That's right.

Nero didn't fulfill the detailed references to the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) in Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 16:2-16, Revelation 19:19-21, and Revelation 20:4. Also, Nero didn't fulfill other prophecies regarding the Antichrist (e.g. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-9, Daniel 11:31,36; cf. Matthew 24:15). And John the apostle didn't see the vision of Revelation until decades after the time of Nero. For Irenaeus (born c. 140 AD) said: "We will not, however, incur the risk of pronouncing positively as to the name of Antichrist; for if it were necessary that his name should be distinctly revealed in this present time, it would have been announced by him [John] who beheld the apocalyptic vision [Revelation]. For that was seen no very long time since, but almost in our day, towards the end of Domitian's reign" (Against Heresies 5:30:3c). The end of Domitian's reign was 96 AD. Nero's reign was 54-68 AD. The detailed prophecies regarding the Antichrist, just as the rest of the tribulation prophecies of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, have never been fulfilled.

Any mistaken teaching which claims that the Antichrist has already come and gone could be employed in our future by the real Antichrist to fool some Christians into thinking that he isn't the Antichrist.

Regarding the claim (made by some) that Nero's name in Hebrew gematria added up to 666 (Revelation 13:17c-18), is there an ancient historical source which shows how "Nero Caesar" was usually transliterated into Hebrew at the time that Revelation was written, so we can confirm whether or not the usual Hebrew transliteration of "Nero Caesar" added up to 666 in Hebrew gematria, instead of an intentionally-altered Hebrew spelling? For example, why was an "n" added after "Nero", to make "Neron"; and why was the "ae" of "Caesar" skipped to make "Csar", when, for example, the "ae" in "Israel" gets at least an "aleph" in Hebrew? Could "Neron Csar" in fact be an intentionally-altered, never-actually-used spelling which adds up to 666, just as people today could intentionally mistransliterate into Hebrew the name of someone living today, so that the mistransliterated name adds up to 666 in Hebrew gematria? Also, just by chance there could be more than one person in the world whose name adds up to 666. So even if it could be proven that the usual Hebrew spelling of "Nero Caesar" added up to 666, or that the usual spelling of the name of someone living today adds up to 666, this doesn't require that that person is the Antichrist.

Also, should we even assume that the Antichrist's name has to be transliterated into Hebrew for it to add up to 666? For Revelation was originally addressed to Greek-speaking Gentile churches in the Roman province of "Asia" (Revelation 1:11) (what is now western Turkey), not to Hebrew-speaking Jewish churches in Judaea. And John the apostle used 3 letters from the Greek alphabet to express the number 666 in Revelation 13:18 (in the original Greek Textus Receptus), not any letters from the Hebrew alphabet. (But this doesn't require that the Antichrist's name has to be transliterated into Greek in order for it to add up to 666, for John used the Greek alphabet only because it was the most common one used by the believers whom he was addressing at the time that Revelation was written.) Also, even when "Nero Caesar" (instead of "Neron Csar") is transliterated into Hebrew, it doesn't have to result in the name adding up to 666:

N - Nun = 50 (cf. the "Ne" in "Nebo" in the Hebrew of Num. 32:3: Nun for the "N" and nothing for the "e")
E /
R - Reysh = 200
O - Vav = 6 (cf. the "o" in "Nebo" in the Hebrew of Num. 32:3 being the letter Vav)

C - Qowph = 100 (cf. "Kareah" in the Hebrew of Jer. 40:8, & "Caesar" being "Kaisar" in the Greek of Mt. 22:17)
A - Aleph = 1 (cf. the "ae" in "Israel" in the Hebrew of Gen. 32:28: Aleph for the "a" and nothing for the "e")
E /
S - Samek = 60 (cf. the "sar" in "Ellasar" in the Hebrew of Gen. 14:1: Samek for the "s" & nothing for the "a")
A /
R - Reysh = 200

Total = 617

 

[Straightshot]

"Also, should we even assume that the Antichrist's name has to be transliterated into Hebrew for it to add up to 666?"


The attempt to identify the beast by using the practice of man made numerology will always fail .... it has .... and it will

Satan's beast's name has already been revealed in scripture .... the numbers given are for exposing Satan's ploy to mimic the Lord so that one will be able to recognize his behavior during the coming tribulation

 

[Bible2+]

Straightshot said in post 146:

Satan's beast's name has already been revealed in scripture .... the numbers given are for exposing Satan's ploy to mimic the Lord so that one will be able to recognize his behavior during the coming tribulation

Regarding "Satan's ploy to mimic the Lord", do you mean that Satan will pretend to be Jesus?

If so, note that when Satan (Lucifer, the dragon) is cast down to the earth permanently at the midpoint of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Revelation 12:9,12), he won't claim to be "Jesus" Christ, just as the separate Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast", the man of sin: 2 Thessalonians 2:3b-4,9, Revelation 13:4-18) won't claim that Lucifer (or claim that he, the Antichrist) is "Jesus" Christ. For "anti"-Christ means someone who denies that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22).

Straightshot said in post 146:

Satan's beast's name has already been revealed in scripture .... the numbers given are for exposing Satan's ploy to mimic the Lord so that one will be able to recognize his behavior during the coming tribulation

Do you mean that Satan's beast (i.e. the Antichrist) will pretend to be Christ?

If so, note that "anti"-Christ can simply refer to anyone who is "against" the true Christ, as in any "opponent of the Messiah" (Strong's Greek Dictionary, Word #500: antichristos), as in anyone who denies that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22), or denies that Jesus is the human/divine Son of God (1 John 2:22b), or denies that Christ is in the flesh (2 John 1:7). The spirit of antichrist (1 John 4:3) has been working since the 1st century AD (2 Thessalonians 2:7), animating many antichrists since that time (1 John 2:18; 2 John 1:7).

And note that nothing requires that the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") will ever claim to be the Messiah/Christ. For his antichrist denial that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3) will disqualify him as a mortal-flesh human (under his mistaken Gnostic doctrine) from being Christ. Instead, the non-mortal-flesh Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) could be the false Christ (i.e. the "Lucifer" Christ, and not the "Jesus" Christ: 1 John 2:22) during the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9), which will be in the latter half of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24.

But none of this means that there won't also be multiple, human false Christs who will arise during the tribulation (Matthew 24:24), including one who will be an ultra-Orthodox Jewish false Christ/Messiah. For shortly after the start of the tribulation, the Antichrist could "cut" a peace treaty with an ultra-Orthodox Jewish false "Messiah" (Daniel 9:26a, Daniel 11:22-23a) in Israel, promising this false Messiah and his ultra-Orthodox Jewish followers that they can keep for at least 7 years (Daniel 9:27a) a 3rd Jewish temple (Revelation 11:1) which they will have built on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

 

[Ronald]

Note that Obama isn't the Antichrist, because the gematrial "number of the name" of the person who is the Antichrist is 666 (Revelation 13:17c-18, Revelation 15:2), while the gematrial number of the name "Barack Hussein Obama" is 793:

Maybe it's not Greek Gematria but English Gematria? We do live in an English speaking country, our bibles are in English. Maybe God intended us to look at it this way? You want calculations ... here you go.

There are a host of numerical calculations that identify Obama has the anti-Christ.
https://obama793.com/2014/11/10/the-devils-number-666-and-its-connection-with-barack-obama/

Here are some of from another site.

His number is 666.
Now let's look at all the Obama 666 anomalies.
Some of the connections will be with the number 216 or 6 X 6 X 6.

1. On the day after Obama's 2008 election, the winning PICK3 lottery number in Obama's home state of Illinois was 6-6-6.
2. Obama's campaign office zip code is 60606.
3. Obama's stated birth date, August 4, 1961, is the 216th day of the year. (216 = 6x6x6)
4. BARACK in English Gematria is 216 (6X6X6)
5. Barack Hussein Obama, 18 letters divided by 3 names = 666
6. Obama said birthplace, Honolulu, Hawaii 21.6 latitude, 6x6x6
7. He obtains passage of Obamacare legislation with an odd requirement of 216 votes (usually takes 218 votes to pass a law.)
8. In 2012 Obama submitted a budget 216 pages long.
9. He cancels 216 minority education scholarships in Washington, DC.
10. On September 11th, 2012, Barack Hussein Obama signed one of the beams for "The One World Trade Center", and is read as followed:

"We remember, We rebuild, We come back stronger" WWW = 666
*** More Lottery connections to Obama dates... there have actually been 5 drawings in Illinois that turned up 666, all related to Obama milestone dates.

11. On the night after his election in 2008, 11/5/2008, the evening pick 3 was 666 (mentioned above). But what we hadn't mentioned is that there were four more numbers drawn in that evenings lotto selection, an they turned up 777 - 9.
THE ODDS OF HAVING THIS NUMBER SEQUENCE COME UP ALL CONNECTED TO OBAMA IN HIS HOME STATE ON THE EXACT NIGHT AFTER HIS ELECTION IS 1 IN 365 BILLION. WHAT DOES THIS NUMBER SEQUENCE MEAN?
666 - THE ANTICHRIST BEAST
777 - GOD'S NUMBER OF PERFECT COMPLETION
9 - JUDGMENT
PUTTING ALL THESE TOGETHER TIED TO OBAMA IT MEANS... 666-777-9
THE ANTICHRIST,
GOD'S PERFECT AND COMPLETE JUDGMENT!

12. Obama claimed to deport 216,000 illegal aliens with felonies.
13. VERY INTERESTING... THE PEACE MAKER = 666 in English Gematria.
Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize yet has brought no peace.

666 ANOMALIES that possibly link the Antichrist to the USA.
14. CHANGE IN AMERICA = 666
15. BABYLON US = 666
16. US OF AMERICA = 666
17. A PRESIDENT = 666

ANOMALIES THAT SHOW ISLAM AS 666
REMEMBER OBAMA WEARS A RING THAT SAYS NO GOD BUT ALLAH

18. ISLAMIC LEADER = 666
19. SHARIA LAWS = 666
20. ALLAH IS LORD = 666
21. ARAB SUICIDES = 666

CHARACTERISTICS THAT DESCRIBE OBAMA PERFECTLY
22. HAS NO LOVE = 666
23. HE MURDERS = 666
24. ALTER LAWS = 666
25. CURSES GOD = 666
26. HE CAN FOOL MEN = 666
27. THE ARAB PEACE LIE = 666

THE LUKE 10:18 COINCIDENCE
And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven."
In Hebrew, Lightning means Baraq, and from heaven means Bama.
To join two words either a o or u is used.
So, this verse was spoken by Jesus like this...
And He said to them, I saw Satan fall like Baraq o/u Bama.

28. LIGHTNING = 666 = BARAQ
29. IN HIGH PLACES = 666 = BAMA

IF YOU STILL DON'T SEE THIS OR BELIEVE IT, PLEASE SEE THIS IMPORTANT VIDEO...

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30. MARK OF BEAST = 666
31. RECEIVE A MARK = 666
32. A ADSX BIO CHIP = 666 (adsx is the NASDAQ ticker for Applied Digital Solutions)
33. SATANS RFID = 666

MORE 666 OBAMANOMALIES
34. USING SIMPLE GEMATRIA A = 1, B = 2, ETC


Barack: 2+1+18+1+3+11=36
Hussein: 8+21+19+19+5+9+14=95
Obama: 15+2+1+13+1=32
Add these: 36+95+32=163
Multiply by the Beast: 163 x 666 = 108,558
Split and Add: 108 + 558 = 666

35. It was exactly 6 DAYS + 6 HOURS + 6 MINUTES from January 20, 2009 (Obama's Inauguration day), that an annular solar eclipse occurred. What are the odds?
CHECK OUT THE TIME OF DAY THE ECLIPSE WAS FIRST VISIBLE!
The annular eclipse’s path first began in the south Atlantic at 06:06 on January 26, 2009 Universal Time (UT) and formed a 363-kilometer wide corridor.
36. ON OBAMA'S 66TH DAY IN OFFICE, HE HELD A MEETING AT THE WHITE HOUSE WITH 13 BANKERS! BOTH 66 AND 13 ARE HIGHLY OCCULTIC NUMBERS.
AND MARCH 27 WAS A FRIDAY... FRIDAY THE 13TH!!! (13 bankers!)

MUST WATCH HUGE BOMBSHELL VIDEO

37. ALERT!!! SOCIAL SECURITY SHUT DOWN FEB 15-18!!!
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Obama's stage at the 2008 Democratic Convention was designed in the style of The Pergomon Temple, the Seat of Satan mentioned in Revelation. He even had dimensions within this stage that would add up to 666 inches ...
All this is just beyond coincidence, don't you think?
https://stop-obama-now.net/obamas-shrine-to-satan/

 

[Straightshot]

"Regarding "Satan's ploy to mimic the Lord", do you mean that Satan will pretend to be Jesus?"


No .... Satan considers himself to be "god" .... his beast in the little horn of Daniel's visions will blaspheme Jesus Christ to His face [Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-6]

The term "anti-christ" means "against" Jesus Christ .... not "in place of"

 

[Endtime Survivors]

The followers of Satan's beast possessing the human little horn of Daniel's visions [Daniel 7; 8; 11:36-45; Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-18] will take an outward marking for identifying with the beast [Revelation 14:9-11] .... I believe that this marking is already being displayed by radical Islamic terrorist movements today [head band, arm band, black flag]

It does appear that Islam has at least some role to play. I tend to be fairly skeptical of what is said about Islam these days because so much of it appears to be based on fear. However, the thing about armbands and headbands being the Mark just doesn't make sense to me in the context of the bigger picture. The prophecy says people won't be able to buy or sell without it; great and small, free and slave, rich and poor...

I don't see how the economies of the world would submit to needing to wear a special article of clothing (especially a religious article of clothing) just to buy/sell.

Besides, John undestood what religious clothing was. They had plenty of that kind of thing back in his day and he would have described it as such. Instead, he witnessed something which he did not recognize, which is why he used a generic word like "mark". Scannable microchip implants fit much better than religious clothing, especially since the world is clearly moving toward implantable, tap-and-pay banking.

 

[Endtime Survivors]

He even had dimensions within this stage that would add up to 666 inches ...

And I suppose his toothbrush had 216 bristles on it?

 

[Ronald]

And I suppose his toothbrush had 216 bristles on it?

 

[Straightshot]

"I don't see how the economies of the world would submit to needing to wear a special article of clothing (especially a religious article of clothing) just to buy/sell."


The marking will simply signify those who will worship Satan's beast [worship Allah] and want to identify with him .... and it is these rebels who will be controlling whether those who do not will be able to function economically and other ways in a world of chaos and continuous upheaval

If you are there and refuse to worship the beast you will be easily identified in public with no visible evidence [signature] and related behavior that you are one who does .... and you will be identified and reported by those who do [Allah is not a "god" at all but a fictitious pagan "god" .... a cover for Satan]

I would suggest for you to study what is going on in a society that is controlled by the Islamic terrorist jihadists to see what I am talking about

You will find that those who refuse to worship Allah, identify with the same, and submit to the Koranic religion are rendered unable to function in the culture and most likely killed

This current behavior of radical Islam is but a sampling of what is coming to the earth during the tribulation .... the Islamic religion will be the cult of Satan's beast and any who do not willingly submit will be unable to "buy or sell" ... among many other things necessary for survival [Revelation 13]

 

[Douggg]

"I don't see how the economies of the world would submit to needing to wear a special article of clothing (especially a religious article of clothing) just to buy/sell."


The marking will simply signify those who will worship Satan's beast [worship Allah] and want to identify with him .... and it is these rebels who will be controlling whether those who do not will be able to function economically and other ways in a world of chaos and continuous upheaval

If you are there and refuse to worship the beast you will be easily identified in public with no visible evidence [signature] and related behavior that you are one who does .... and you will be identified and reported by those who do [Allah is not a "god" at all but a fictitious pagan "god" .... a cover for Satan]

I would suggest for you to study what is going on in a society that is controlled by the Islamic terrorist jihadists to see what I am talking about

You will find that those who refuse to worship Allah, identify with the same, and submit to the Koranic religion are rendered unable to function in the culture and most likely killed

This current behavior of radical Islam is but a sampling of what is coming to the earth during the tribulation .... the Islamic religion will be the cult of Satan's beast and any who do not willingly submit will be unable to "buy or sell" ... among many other things necessary for survival [Revelation 13]

Straightshot, this thread is tagged Antichrist European. So if you do not subscribe to that point a view, you are not supposed to make posts in this thread that oppose that concept..