What if racism is an evolutionary response?

[pitabread]

Exactly. If evolution is true, there is NO basis for morality.

Why couldn't there be? I never understood this claim from creationists. You're effectively arguing that morality depends on life having not evolved.

 

[Speedwell]

Exactly. If evolution is true, there is NO basis for morality.

What a weird notion. By that reasoning, if evolution is false there is no basis for morality, either.

 

[pitabread]

How can there be right or wrong in an evolutionary system?

What you mean by "evolutionary system"? Why do you think evolution is a "system"?

 

[pitabread]

Why do you look to the theory of evolution to provide you with moral compass?

I'm going to wager this has something to do with equating evolution with atheism.

It always comes back to that.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I believe it can also be called tribalism. This has always been around.

Humans seek companionship, but we also find others scary when we know little to nothing about them, especially when we were in situations where the new band of humans coming over the horizon had as much chance as coming to be friendly or coming to raid us.

It is interesting to see how racism and the view of races has evolved down the centuries, though. In the Middle Ages, the English thought the French were another race and visa a versa.

 

[Arc F1]

If so there is little we can do about it. Evolutionary change cannot be legislated just because we don't like something about ourselves. Thoughts?

It has always been around. It just wasn't called racism. People have always tried to dominate others that look different. When that's not available they just fight among themselves.

 

[Zaymer]

At the individual and family levels, Christian self-disciplinary "family values" morality would be supported by evolutionary theory as 'eugenic,' abstinence from self-destructive behaviors/habits, the seeking of healthy partners and remaining together long-term in order to provide the best environment for offspring.

However, at wider levels, when taking evolution, applied to humanity, to its logical conclusions/extremes, one does end up in hitlerian territories; "competition" and "survival of the fittest" would conclude the abuse or even wiping out of other 'competitors' which are clearly satanic results.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Humans seek companionship, but we also find others scary when we know little to nothing about them, especially when we were in situations where the new band of humans coming over the horizon had as much chance as coming to be friendly or coming to raid us.

It is interesting to see how racism and the view of races has evolved down the centuries, though. In the Middle Ages, the English thought the French were another race and visa a versa.

I don't see that tribalism and racism, though connected are equivalent. Tribalism being the tendency to gather in exclusionary groups based upon something akin to family ties and racism being the belief that one's race ( however one might decide to define race) is morally superior to other races.

 

[pitabread]

owever, at wider levels, when taking evolution, applied to humanity, to its logical conclusions/extremes, one does end up in hitlerian territories; "competition" and "survival of the fittest" would conclude the abuse or even wiping out of other 'competitors' which are clearly satanic results.

Why would evolution "conclude" that? What do you think evolutionary theory is?

 

[pitabread]

Adolf Hitler used evolutionary theory to justify genocide. Others have used evolution to justify slavery.

The Bible has been used to justify genocide. The Bible has been used to justify slavery.

What do you think should be done about that?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

It has always been around. It just wasn't called racism. People have always tried to dominate others that look different. When that's not available they just fight among themselves.

But why are some of us who try to help other races often called racist?

 

[Zaymer]

Why would evolution "conclude" that? What do you think evolutionary theory is?

The importance of my genetics' continued existence and propagation trumps yours (in my view, yours being the reverse); as such I am to sequester resources for my own usage and away from yours. The ultimate way to secure my existence over yours would be to annihilate you from existence thereby eliminating you as a threat, permanently.

 

[Speedwell]

But why are some of us who try to help other races often called racist?

Perhaps because you "help" them out of sense of your own superiority.

 

[pitabread]

The importance of my genetics' continued existence trumps yours; as such I am to sequester resources for my own usage and away from yours. The ultimate way to secure my existence over yours would be to annihilate you from existence thereby eliminating you as a threat, permanently.

Why would you consider me a threat though?

Also, do you understand the concept of social species (of which we are one)?

 

[Arc F1]

But why are some of us who try to help other races often called racist?

Because the meaning has changed in the last few months. It now just means anyone you don't like and wish to insult.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I don't see that tribalism and racism, though connected are equivalent. Tribalism being the tendency to gather in exclusionary groups based upon something akin to family ties and racism being the belief that one's race ( however one might decide to define race) is morally superior to other races.

It is when cultures are compared that the problem arises.

 

[grasping the after wind]

But why are some of us who try to help other races often called racist?

Not myself having ever tried to help other races, I do not have personal experience of being called a racist while engaged in such an activity. I tend to be less confident of my abilities to assist others so I only try to help other individual people and not shoot for helping whole races. However, people often mischaracterize others. Sometimes it is on purpose as an intimidation tactic, at other times is it is a misunderstanding, at other times it is out of ignorance and at other times it is for other reasons.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Because the meaning has changed in the last few months. It now just means anyone you don't like and wish to insult.

This has been happening to me for years on the forums.

 

[Speedwell]

Because the meaning has changed in the last few months. It now just means anyone you don't like and wish to insult.

You mean like "liberal?" I don't think so.

 

[grasping the after wind]

It is when cultures are compared that the problem arises.

Which problem in particular are you referring to?