What if Jesus had been executed by lethal injection?

[Robban]

I wonder if we are approaching a time when there will be one world government that never falls? Is technology liberating people or enslaving them? Is anarchy a paradise or is one world government a paradise?

Ultimately I think humans will be eliminated from Earth in favor of technology that no longer needs us. Maybe that technology will have its own religious ideas and pray to God and experience divine inspiration and so forth.

Well, we can see today with the virus that countries are closing borders.
Open borders are not appealing at the moment.

So much for globalism, when push comes to shove.

But technology does allow us to communicate in a way as never before of course.

The real danger I think is a spiritual one.

Amal of the Amalakites said to be the father of antisemitism, the Amalakites have long since gone,
but the spirit is still alive and kicking.

Why would it not also with Empire building spirit,
empires have gone but the spirit is still alive and kicking.

We do not have to look so far to see that.

 

[timothyu]

Ultimately I think humans will be eliminated from Earth in favor of technology that no longer needs us. Maybe that technology will have its own religious ideas and pray to God and experience divine inspiration and so forth.

God made man in His own image and we went rogue. Man makes AI computers in our own image, they too will go rogue. The cycle continues.

 

[cloudyday2]

Amal of the Amalakites said to be the father of antisemitism, the Amalakites have long since gone,
but the spirit is still alive and kicking.

I think the Pharaoh who ordered the midwives to kill Hebrew male babies should be considered the first anti-Semite, but I suppose the Hebrews were not actually Jewish until after they had accepted the Covenant at Mount Sinai. So I guess (as you said) Amal was the first rather than the Pharaoh.

 

[timothyu]

the Hebrews were not actually Jewish until after they had accepted the Covenant at Mount Sinai.

?? The Jews were only one tribe of 12 of the House of Israel, the Hebrew speaking people.

 

[cloudyday2]

?? The Jews were only one tribe of the House of Israel, the Hebrew speaking people.

I think the Jews are defined by obedience to the Covenant rather than ancestry whereas the Hebrews are defined by ancestry going to Jacob. I don't know if that is correct definition or not.

It seems to me that anti-Semitism is opposing a religion rather than opposing an ancestry. The Jewish religious practices prevent them from fully assimilating, and that makes them targets for people who want them to assimilate.

 

[timothyu]

I think the Jews are defined by obedience to the Covenant rather than ancestry

The result of sibling rivalry. Winner took all. Much like the conflict in the early Christian religion.

 

[cloudyday2]

The result of sibling rivalry. Winner took all. Much like the conflict in the early Christian religion.

Hmmm, so what do you think about the competing Christian theologies such as the Ebionites and the Gnostics?

 

[Robban]

I think the Pharaoh who ordered the midwives to kill Hebrew male babies should be considered the first anti-Semite, but I suppose the Hebrews were not actually Jewish until after they had accepted the Covenant at Mount Sinai. So I guess (as you said) Amal was the first rather than the Pharaoh.

The first time "Jew" appears in scripture is in the book of Esther, Mordechai the Jew.
If I recall correct Mordechai was not of Judah tribe

There came once a man to the Rebbe and told him of his achievements, that he had gathered together
several Jews that had no background.

The Rebbe was not happy and told the man very sternly,

"There is no such thing as a Jew without a background,
every Jews background is,
Abraham and Sarah,
Isaac and Rebbeca,
Jacob and Lea, Rachel.

The entire people of Israel comprise a singel soul,
only the bodies seperate.

 

[timothyu]

Hmmm, so what do you think about the competing Christian theologies such as the Ebionites and the Gnostics?

I think all info regarding Jesus is worthwhile if one can look past the motives of each sect. Jesus gave us a way of life, not a religion.

 

[cloudyday2]

The first time "Jew" appears in scripture is in the book of Esther, Mordechai the Jew.
If I recall correct Mordechai was not of Judah tribe

There came once a man to the Rebbe and told him of his achievements, that he had gathered together
several Jews that had no background.

The Rebbe was not happy and told the man very sternly,

"There is no such thing as a Jew without a background,
every Jews background is,
Abraham and Sarah,
Isaac and Rebbeca,
Jacob and Lea, Rachel.

The entire people of Israel comprise a singel soul,
only the bodies seperate.

If there had been no Law given to Moses would there have been Jews? It seems to me that Abraham and Isaac and Jacob were not Jews, because they didn't know the Law yet. Only after Moses could a Hebrew also be a Jew.

 

[timothyu]

Only after Moses could a Hebrew also be a Jew.

House of Israel.. 12 tribes. Judah/Jews being only one. Hebrew is a language not a name of a people other than saying the Hebrew speaking people.

 

[cloudyday2]

House of Israel.. 12 tribes. Judah/Jews being only one. Hebrew is a language not a name of a people other than saying the Hebrew speaking people.

I guess @Robban might be able to explain hopefully.

Regardless, I think anti-Semitism is discrimination against religious practices that prevent people from assimilating fully. A person who converted to Catholicism in medieval Europe was no longer subjected to anti-Semitism.

 

[timothyu]

. A person who converted to Catholicism in medieval Europe was no longer subjected to anti-Semitism.

So joining those who persecuted you solves the problem.

 

[Robban]

If there had been no Law given to Moses would there have been Jews? It seems to me that Abraham and Isaac and Jacob were not Jews, because they didn't know the Law yet. Only after Moses could a Hebrew also be a Jew.

Tradition has not so few stories,
one is,
Abraham knew Torah before it was given

Another is,
every Jewish soul on coming into this world knows the whole Torah,
but,
on entering (birth) an angel smacks it on the mouth
so as to forget.

But we cannot forget which is why it does not take so much to awaken to, candles, niggun (melodi often without words) or the mention of names and so on.

 

[Robban]

I guess @Robban might be able to explain hopefully.

Regardless, I think anti-Semitism is discrimination against religious practices that prevent people from assimilating fully. A person who converted to Catholicism in medieval Europe was no longer subjected to anti-Semitism.

Could be, like, "Why cannot you be like us."

I think it goes much deeper.

Shem, Ham and Japhet,

Japhet assisted Shem in covering over Noah,

they covered their heads and went in backwards and
covered over Noah.
This merited them the privilige of covering their heads,
Prayer shawl.

Ham, which represents Egypt, this world, "Land of Ham".

Ham, Egypt are used as symbols for this world, which is the lowest of worlds.

It has always been envious of Israel and of the wonders performed for them,
creating a great skeptisism toward Israel and trying to mislead them, when they do not succeed they want to
get rid of them.

And so is it this day today.

The Greeks did not want kill them, but only to assimilate them.

The hanachah story.

As for one who converted to Catholicism,
what difference would it make.

They persecuted more than anyone.

But they learned their lesson, and Judaism is very much alive and well.

Hope you can find something in this.

I fell asleep and not long ago woke up.

 

[cloudyday2]

Tradition has not so few stories,
one is,
Abraham knew Torah before it was given

Another is,
every Jewish soul on coming into this world knows the whole Torah,
but,
on entering (birth) an angel smacks it on the mouth
so as to forget.

But we cannot forget which is why it does not take so much to awaken to, candles, niggun (melodi often without words) or the mention of names and so on.

I wonder about Noah and Enoch. They lived righteously, so wouldn't that mean they knew the Torah even though it was before Moses?

 

[cloudyday2]

So joining those who persecuted you solves the problem.

Yeah, I can't really fault people for doing that. I am sure I would have done that in their circumstances. I'm a "go along to get along" kind of person normally when the alternative is actual suffering.

 

[timothyu]

Yeah, I can't really fault people for doing that. I am sure I would have done that in their circumstances. I'm a "go along to get along" kind of person normally when the alternative is actual suffering.

So taking the mark of the beast would be an option.

 

[Robban]

I wonder about Noah and Enoch. They lived righteously, so wouldn't that mean they knew the Torah even though it was before Moses?

 

[Robban]

Do not know what happened, I did not submit anything.

I wonder about Noah and Enoch. They lived righteously, so wouldn't that mean they knew the Torah even though it was before Moses?

I do not know, maybe.

But they both heard, listened and obeyed the voice,