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Saint Martin translated it into German. Saint William translated into English. Still none of them wrote a single book of the Bible.
False. The Catholic Church not only chose the 73 books of the Bible, but preached, preserved, and translated Biblical text into many common languages. A number of Catholics translated Biblical text into early English long before Wycliffe.Not to mention the various martyrs such as John Wycliffe who were killed by the RCC for advocating the use of vernacular translations of the Bible so that every literate person could read the word of God in their own language rather than an arcane and difficult language.
False. The Catholic Church not only chose the 73 books of the Bible, but preached, preserved, and translated Biblical text into many common languages. A number of Catholics translated Biblical text into early English long before Wycliffe.
study your history.And your proof of this is ..?
If we are talking very early in England then Venerable Bede, a Catholic monk, is perhaps the best known for his translation in the 700s. King Alfred the Great had not finished his translation of Psalms before he died,And your proof of this is ..?
Wycliffe died of a stroke, no Catholics were involved. But you're right that Catholics killed Protestants, but don't forget Protestants killed Catholics. Recall that Catholics who fled to France and translated the Bible into English (the Douay-Rheims Bible) faced torture or death in England for possessing or distributing that Bible. Go to the Tower of London and there a Catholic martyrs entombed there at the back of the chapel, you can read their name.. I just gave a couple of examples of Catholics who translated Biblical text into English before Wycliffe, those are perhaps the best known but there are more. The Wycliffe Bible used mostly Latin texts, the Catholic Latin Vulgate was named so because Latin was the "vulgar" or common language of Christians in Europe at the time. Catholics not only preached and preserved the Bible over all of these centuries but translated Biblical text into numerous common languages.Not to mention the various martyrs such as John Wycliffe who were killed by the RCC for advocating the use of vernacular translations of the Bible so that every literate person could read the word of God in their own language rather than an arcane and difficult language.
Valletta said:Wycliffe died of a stroke, no Catholics were involved. But you're right that Catholics killed Protestants, but don't forget Protestants killed Catholics. Recall that Catholics who fled to France and translated the Bible into English (the Douay-Rheims Bible) faced torture or death in England for possessing or distributing that Bible. Go to the Tower of London and there a Catholic martyrs entombed there at the back of the chapel, you can read their name.. I just gave a couple of examples of Catholics who translated Biblical text into English before Wycliffe, those are perhaps the best known but there are more. The Wycliffe Bible used mostly Latin texts, the Catholic Latin Vulgate was named so because Latin was the "vulgar" or common language of Christians in Europe at the time. Catholics not only preached and preserved the Bible over all of these centuries but translated Biblical text into numerous common languages.
Well, there were no protestants at that time; they were different times and he was working outside the authority given to him by the Church; BTW, are you sure you are not thinking about Tyndale?I have read that Wycliffe and others were martyred by the Church, and also that the Catholic church was not favoring translations of the Bible to the language of the laypeople. I wonder what is the source that can show that alternative perspective.
I have read that Wycliffe and others were martyred by the Church, and also that the Catholic church was not favoring translations of the Bible to the language of the laypeople. I wonder what is the source that can show that alternative perspective.
The Middle Ages were brutal, Catholics killed Protestants, Protestants killed Catholics depending upon who was in charge. If you go to that chapel at the Tower of London you will find the remains of both Catholic and Protestant martyrs. As to not favoring translations of the Bible, that myth, like so many others, has been passed down by Protestants. The grain of truth, which makes such tales sound plausible, is that the Catholic Church was against anti-Catholic translations of the Bible--those who inserted hateful diatribes against the Church, those who added or subtracted from the Bible. It is not true that Catholics wrote the Bible in Latin so that the people could not understand it, the truth is that Saint Jerome translated Biblical text into many languages, the most famous is the Latin Vulgate. By the time of Jerome Latin was the language of the people of Europe--if you could read or write you spoke Latin. Thus the translation into the common, or "vulgar" Latin--from which the Vulgate drew its' name. Latin eventually morphed into Italian, French, Spanish, so there were plenty of translations of Biblical text by Catholics. As to England, before Wycliffe there were many translations by Catholics. To mention just a few of them, Venerable Bede, a Catholic monk, is perhaps the best known for his translation in the 700s. King Alfred the Great had not finished his translation of Psalms before he died, that would have been in the 800s. Now a lot of Biblical texts by Catholics have been destroyed, remember Protestants in England seized Catholic monasteries and gave the land to wealthy Protestants. But some do exist, you can find some of Alfred’s translations in a manuscript dated as around 1050. These are in the English of the Saxons: The Illustrated Psalms of Alfred the Great: The Old English Paris Psalter When the Normans took over the English changed, the paraphrase of Orm is dated around 1150 and is an example of a translation into Middle English. The Catholic Church has strongly preached, defended, translated, and protected the Bible, and denounced those over the centuries who would add or subtract from the Word of God.I have read that Wycliffe and others were martyred by the Church, and also that the Catholic church was not favoring translations of the Bible to the language of the laypeople. I wonder what is the source that can show that alternative perspective.
I can hardly imagine Peter allowing himself to be called "Holy Father".
Much less having a bronze statue made of himself with people kissing the foot.
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A bit presumptuous considering you have not met him face to face. LOL.I can hardly imagine Peter allowing himself to be called "Holy Father".
Doesn't seem to go with him in all humility asking to be crucified upside down.
Agreed.
Regarding not favoring translations, what do you mean? For example, if someone translated something inaccurately, according to 'the authority' (which the Catholic Church was, at the time) what should they do, let it continue to be translated inaccurately? Or publicly demand that the translation is wrong and needs to be changed? FWIW, the authority was the only one who could reserve the right to translate the Bible. Why? It was the authority, according to Christ.I have read that Wycliffe and others were martyred by the Church, and also that the Catholic church was not favoring translations of the Bible to the language of the laypeople. I wonder what is the source that can show that alternative perspective.
Well, he did allow his name to be changed to "Rock". I don't know what it is with protestants and titles. And it's not a matter of what he allows himself to be called. The people of Rome first called the pope the pope. It wasn't something the man said "You should call me pope from now on."I can hardly imagine Peter allowing himself to be called "Holy Father".
I don't know, there's lots of statues around Rome. And the Church doesn't tell people they must kiss the toe. They do allow people their own private devotions.Much less having a bronze statue made of himself with people kissing the foot.
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